Michigan vs. Wisconsin B-Ball Snowflakes and Post Game Open Thread
Wisconsin I and Indiana II were disappointing ENDINGS. This was flat out a disappointing EFFORT.
(Slight Mod Edit - condensing snowflakes to one thread. This thread had more replies and discussion, but M-Wolverine won the "thread title" contest. LSA)
If you think this team can do anything in the tournament. They gave up 51 points to Wisconsin .... IN A HALF. That's damn near inconceivable. And yes I do know what that word means Princess Bride fans!
What you think it means?
Hold a team to 17% shooting in the 1st half only to be up by 3 at the break, especially with multiple chances to go up 10 near halftime, then to launch unnecessary shots and give Wisconsin a chance to close the gap.
Dissapointed in the results, and often what looks like a lack of effort, the latter part of the year. This team has been unable to improve or find an effective identity, unlike the some of the teams the past few years.
Sorry, but that's what we are. I'd be licking my chops as a 12 or 13 seed.
Honestly just hope we win one game in the tournament because I can't handle the embarrassment of losing to a double digit seed in the first game again. The team isn't very tough and doesn't have much heart.
No one would watch Big Ten basketball if everyone played like them, and the worst part is that the refs aid and abet their conspiracy to destroy the game of basketball. Wisconsin's basketball program should be showered with napalm until it's so hot that Madison's atmosphere catches fire. They must be rooted out like the parasites, ring worms, vampires, maggots that they are.
I'm OK with this. I moved to a suburb of Madison, so I should be safe.
in quite some time.
The worst thing about losing to Wiscy isn't the outcome of a single game, it's feeling like you've let down Dr. Naismith and his dream of what a high-scoring, free-flowing, beautiful to watch game ought to be. Fuck Bo Ryan, fuck anyone who looks like Bo Ryan, and fuck anyone named Bo whose last name isn't Schembechler.
March 16th, 2013 at 12:14 PM ^
Dr. Naismith's "dream of what a high-scoring, free-flowing, beautiful to watch game ought to be" included climbing up to get the ball out of the peach basket after every goal. His original rules also had no dribbling, with players required to "throw it from the spot where he catches it." High-scoring and free-flowing it was not, in his lifetime.
He might well have approved but I seriously doubt Naismith ever envisioned what his creation has become. Nobody did, for at least the first four or five decades of the game.
talented players but they play a bit like the personality of the coaches.
burke may be the only consistent grinder.
hard to see Beilien winning more than one NCAA tournament game this year.
Why was Spike in there at the end of the game?!? His foul on the rebound when we were down by 2 was extremely critical. Have to question Beilien for his substitution pattern at the game. In regards to intensity, Beilien was sitting for a large portion of the 2nd half. Step up and put a fire under your team. The lack of intensity and passion from coaching staff as well as the team was shocking to say the least.
At least then we'll come at our opponents like spider monkeys.
Exactly. If you don't have the best talent, you have to have some experience. Michigan seemed to be doing a little better before Hardaway went out, but Burke, McGary, Albrecht, Robinson III, Stauskas, etc. are all very young.
I don't know what exactly people expect from teams with little experience and no out-of-this-world talent.
I really just don't understand how a coach can let a team score 14 or 15 times in a row and not change either the personnel or scheme. How can you just sit and watch that happen?
Did you not see when Michigan went 1-3-1 in the middle of that run and Wisconsin shredded it? What about when we tried two bigs with McGary and Morgan, taking Robinson out? What about when we went small, with Albrecht?
Were you paying attention at all? Beilein tried a lot of different things in the second half.
HAHAHA JOKES ON US
We are bad at free throws.
Our big guys have games that they can't catch the ball cleanly or think they think the guards and forwards will not pass the ball to they so they don't bother to look for it.
Trey is the only one that goes to the basket strong. Hardaway, Robinson, McGary and Horford need to go stronger to the rim and more often.
The team has a lot of moments where it seems like they fall asleep and just go through the motions.
No hiding it now, this team just isn't very good, and they usually manage to lose in the most pathetic, choker, quitter-ish way imaginable. All of that talent, and just absolutely nothing in the world to show for it.
Let's wait until after the tournament before we say this team has "nothing to show for it." Seasons are made in March.
It had nothing to do with the loss, but it makes it hurt more.
...but when we lose it makes it easier because I can pretend the team that lost wasn't Michigan.
Them: "Did you see that Clowney hit?"
Me: "Yeah. Don't know who SC was playing though."
I hate BiSB for creating the "snowflake thread" concept. I hold him liable for any and all damage that comes from these threads.
I'm just asking. God I hope we can get at least a 3.
I think we will do real well once we play non-Big Ten teams with crazy defense. I see us getting through the first weekend, although I bet UM will be a trendy upset pick.
To be honest, if we make the sweet 16, I'll be pretty happy and will consider this year a success (mostly). Let's see how this rolls.
I'm still faily optimistic and just can't wait to see us play someone else.
:::::shoulder shrug:::::
That about sums it up for me. This team peaked at the end of January finishing 6-6 in the big ten. It’s hard to be upset, or even surprised, by this game, as its been a microcosm of the whole season.
If we’re looking for positives – I guess it’s nice to have a week off (though they didn’t do much after their last week). Also, everyone is already picking against them so maybe they will play looser being a 3/4 seed.
Mehh. Disappointing today, but not exactly unanticipated.
I would be surprised if we make it to the sweet 16
We run a 4 out, 1 in motion offense, correct? With such basic limitations in this offense, combined with three to four legitimate offensive weapons, why does our success always seem to hinge on Trey's production? Is this also by design?
AT LEAST MY WEEKEND IS FREE NOW.. ONLY THING TO WATCH IS THE SELECTION SHOW AND THEN HAVE NIGHTMARES OF GETTING KNOCKED OUT ON THURS OR FRI
Im getting kind of tired of the freshman/sophomore excuse. It's just that, an excuse. Freshman all over the country are playing very good ball right now and dont make the same mistakes that our guys make. That falls on coaching.
This team takes on the same demeanor as their coach: laid back, no fire, no sense of urgency. Defense and rebounding are all about energy and desire, two things this team lacks. They'll be lucky to win a game in the tournament.
this weekend.
I do not understand Beliens affinity for keeping GR3 in the game where he was obviously overmatched by Evans who to me was the MVP of this game. GR3 wasn't doing enough back door cutting, 360 alley hoop slam dunking to warrant that much time on the floor. Unacceptable coaching adjustments and It help cost these kids the game. That and horrible shooting!
it took 13 minutes of gr3 getting abused down low in the second half for beilein to move to a 2-big lineup
Too bad there was no upper classman leadership on this team. UM has turned the corner but until you have senior leadership each year and some bigs who are not soft, you will NEVER win in the big10. If Beilein doesn't go far in the big10 and NCAA tourney (wont happen this year) by next year one has to question how effective his system is.
Non-Steratore issues:
Morgan's confidence seems to have died when the ball rolled out last Sunday.
Glenn Robinson is bad defensively. He got worked and that was about half the points. Another 30% was just Wisconsin getting hot. The last 20% you accept.
Trey's in hero mode, which makes everyone else's shots worse in addition to his own.
Related note: we're not moving without the ball nearly enough.
We haven't won 3 consecutive games since January, we started 16-0 and are since 10-7, our free throw shooting isn't good enough, and our 3 point shot isn't falling.
Ed: We allowed 51 second half points to a Bo Ryan Wisconsin team (!!), they're hard pressed to get that in a game many times. Wisconsin shot 17% in the first half, and in the high 60s the 2nd half.
How can a team enter the locker room with 17 points and end the game with almost 70?
Our defense is atrocious, we can't rebound. I'm being a broken record. Teams should get better, but unfortunately we've gotten worse as the tournament approaches. One has to assume a good portion of that is attributable to youth, we're one of the youngest teams in the country with 4 of 5 players on the court being true freshman at times. The other part, I'm not sure who to blame. Coaching, perhaps, because it seems like our defense isn't developing. In fact, it's worsening.
kind of some good teams in that stretch
Break 'em back out, this team has not improved a lick and there is no consistency. Every once in a while they bring it for the big games but for the most part they wilt in big moments. It's frustrating and has taken a lot of joy out of the team to watch the same issues pop up, never see any response and realize just how easy it is to beat these guys.
i guess i am finally agreeing with the sentiment that this team may actually be better next year without being allowed to rely so much on one player.
d-mo was awful his first year when manny was just chucking and praying. maybe some of our freshmen bloom when given more responsibility on offense.
that, combined with what appears to be a much weaker overall big ten, should put us right around where we were this year.
I agree. Don't get me wrong, Trey Burke is a once-in-a-decade player and has saved many games for us, but taking 40% of the team's shots is not a recipe for getting guys involved on either the defensive or offensive end. Michigan doesn't look like a team right now, which should be obvious from their paltry 7 assissts.
You're right. This team needs a pass-first point. Darius would be perfect for this team.
without trey burke this year, we would have been absolutely awful. he is the player of the year and deserves it. the freshmen played like freshmen and needed somebody to rely on when they were rattled.
but there are really good teams out there without potential player of the year candidates...because they play great team basketball (msu, osu, ehhh wisconsin and that's just the big ten).
it's important to keep in perspective just how much of a leap players can make from year 1 to year 2...
The offense to me is very unimaginative. It's either pick and roll with Trey Burke or a 3 man 'weave' on the perimeter. When it's pick and roll, there's no movement by the other players, they just spot up at the 3 point line. Very similiar with the 'weave' - guys are just doing laps around the perimeter. No back cuts, no off the ball screens, etc.