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(caption) Michigan's Avery Horn returns a kick with Penn State safety Chaz Powell bearing down on him.    ***  After trailing 17-14 at halftime, the No. 3-ranked and undefeated Penn State Nittany Lions scored 32 second half points to avenge nine straight losses to Michigan by trouncing the Wolverines 46-17 at Beaver Stadium in State College, Pennsylvania. The loss drops the Wolverines to 2-5 on the season. Photos taken on Saturday, October 18, 2008.  ( John T. Greilick / The Detroit News )<br />
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Avery Horn, Sam McGuffie

So I got this email and I was going to put it in a mailbag and then I realized the world needed a stand-alone dossier of the things Fred Jackson has said about his running backs. This is it. This is the email:

Dear Brian,

You frequently make a jab at Fred Jackson and his son for jointly comparing freshman running back Thomas Rawls to Mark Ingram, saying that this comparison is part of Jackson hyperbole. It sounds like your point is that the Jacksons have a history of comparing mediocre running backs to great ones. However, in the "Fred Jackson Hyperbole Tracker" tab, when I click on it, the only posts it brings up are two, and both involve Rawls. Could you provide more instances where Jackson erroneously jumped the gun with a whacked-out comparison of a running back that only resulted in mediocrity?

The only additional comparison I can think of that Jackson (Sr.) made recently was that Stephen Hopkins reminds him a lot of Chris Perry. … Are there other times when Jackson did made comparisons and was wrong?

If there are, then Jackson certainly has a history of hyperbole, and your point stands. If not, then perhaps you're just being a little too cynical about the potential that Rawls has. Yes, it's probably always safer to be skeptical when someone says "this guy will be awesome," but it could be that Jackson hasn't been able to get excited about running backs in recent years. He did, after all, coach some decent running backs over the years, who did some good things for Michigan. Though I shouldn't need to tell you that.

Let me know what you find. I'd be curious to see if Jackson has done this before.

Sincerely,
Jack

You defy the memes. I accept your challenge.

FRED JACKSON ON…

Roger Allison:

Jackson called Allison "unbelievable," adding the Lake Orion native has a chance to be "the best fullback we've ever had here." High praise indeed given he's only been hitting for a week.

David Underwood:

"Everybody used to say Anthony [Thomas] couldn't run, but nobody could catch him either. Underwood is like that. He can break out in the secondary and they'll say, 'He doesn't look like he's running,' but you won't find anybody catching him."

Avery Horn:

Running backs coach Fred Jackson called Horn the fastest tailback he has ever coached.

Mike Shaw and Sam McGuffie:

Luckily for Michigan, it has what running backs coach Fred Jackson calls the best two running backs in the same class in his 17 years with the Wolverines — freshmen Michael Shaw and Sam McGuffie.

McGuffie:

“Sam is the quickest I’ve seen,” Michigan running backs coach Fred Jackson said.

Fitzgerald Toussaint:

"Michael Hart ability with speed," Jackson said, comparing Toussaint to U-M's all-time leading rusher. "The kind of guy that can do Michael's cuts, he can sit down, sink his hips and explode by making steps. He's faster than Mike and a very, very tough guy, like Mike was."

More Fitzgerald Toussaint:

"He's as talented as anyone who walked in the door," said Jackson, who has coached Michigan career leading rusher Michael Hart, Chris Perry, Anthony Thomas and Tyrone Wheatley, to name a few.

Jackson said he had never before heard of a player breaking his shoulder blade. But before the injury, Jackson saw budding talent.

"He's got great feet, acceleration, strength, power," Jackson said. "I can compare him to somebody -- he's like a fast Chris Perry. He's going to be very good."

Last year's group:

I got guys now that got me very excited. I'm talking about a couple years like '94, when we had Wheatley, Biakabutuka, Jesse Johnson, Eddie Davis, those kind of guys.

Brandon Minor (and the rest of the 2008 group):

Jackson said he never has had a speedier group of tailbacks while at Michigan, and he never has had a more physical back than senior Brandon Minor. … "I've coached a lot of tough guys, but I'm going to say right now, (Minor's) probably the toughest back I've ever coached physically," Jackson said.

Thomas Rawls:

"Thomas Rawls, to me, is a combination of Anthony Thomas and Chris Perry, but he's faster than both of them," Jackson said. "He's got their feet, their power, and he's got a running style more like Chris', because he really sinks before he hits you."

Rawls again:

"No doubt," Jackson said. "I saw him play enough. The kid's got the right stuff. He's just like [Alabama's Mark Ingram], but he's faster than Ingram. He ran 10.65 in the 100 meters, at 220 pounds. Just think about that."

Stephen Hopkins:

"Before he's done here, he'll be another Chris Perry. But I don't know if Chris was ever 230 pounds."

Denard Robinson:

Michigan RB Coach Fred Jackson didn’t hold back when talking about Shoelace’s speed, “I promise you this, there ain’t nobody in the country who can catch him,” Jackson said. In my 18 years here, I’ve never seen a kid that fast. Nowhere. And I’ve seen some fast kids on other teams, (but) I’ve never seen anybody that fast. “I mean, it’s scary. Every time you miss him in practice, strike the band up, it’s a touchdown. He’s going to shock a lot of people.”

Okay, that last one is right.

UPDATE 8/13/2012: On Thomas Rawls:

"He's got Mike Hart kind of feet, but a lot faster than Mike."

UPDATE 8/14/2012: Comparing Rawls to Mark Ingram: 

"They were almost identical high school backs," said Jackson. "Obviously, Mark Ingram had a great (offensive) line at Alabama that helped him along, but Thomas is a lot faster than Mark, (and) has the same type of ability. I'm not trying to compare them in any way but when you watched them in high school, they were very similar running backs."

On Dennis Norfleet:

 

"Norfleet is as quick as any kid at Michigan since I've been here," said Jackson, in his 21st season. "I've not seen a guy that quick." ...

"...I don't think (anybody) is faster than Denard," Jackson said. "(Norfleet's) got the quickness that will put him in the same positions Denard gets in quicker than Denard will get in them. Now, Denard once he gets side by side will pull (away) from him probably."

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:52 AM | Boom.  Roasted. (Score:4 Normal)
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Boom.  Roasted.

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:57 AM | http://www.youtube.com/watch? (Score:1)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQD95EEJxg4

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:04 AM | embed (Score:2)
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"Vegeta, what does the scanner say about Denard Robinson's power level?"

"It's OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!"

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:54 AM | Fred Jackson on... (Score:5 Funny)
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Terrelle Pryor- "He's like Michael Vick, only dumber"

Luke Fickell- "He's like Adam Sandler, only sweatier"

Jack Kennedy- "He's like Tom Brady, but with a better arm.  And he's far more handsome."

Brady Hoke- "He's like a combination of Andy Reid and Bill Belichick.  Literally.  It's like Andy Reid ate Bill Belichick."

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August 19th, 2011 at 12:30 PM | Fred Jackson on Profitgoblue (Score:1 Normal)
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He's like Anthony Thomas, Tim Biakabatuka, and Chris Perry combined into one, except that he isn't nearly as bit or as fast as that combined trio.  And, as an aside, he's like Brad Pitt as far as looks go, only not as good-looking as Pitt.

 

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:55 AM | Dear Jack, (Score:1)
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BOOM!

Cook'd!

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:47 AM | You got knocked the... (Score:3 Normal)
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New Oldsmobiles are in early this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIdGxR-aU6o

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:56 AM | Nah... (Score:5 Normal)
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Fred Jackson doesn't use hyperbole... the rest of the world just suffers from hypobole.

 

Thanks for telling it like it is, Freddy.

Toodles

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:53 AM | This post was like something (Score:3 Normal)
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This post was like something G.B. Shaw would have written, only wittier.

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August 19th, 2011 at 1:21 PM | Winner. (Score:2)
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Winner.

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:56 AM | i get the sense that the (Score:5 Normal)
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i get the sense that the emailer is offended by Brian's take on FJ.  i think the emailer is taking Brian's comments the wrong way.  everyone likes FJ and thinks he's a great coach.  no one is criticizing him.  just poking fun and keeping his comments in perspective.

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August 19th, 2011 at 3:45 PM | In my four years at MGoBlog, (Score:3 Normal)
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this is the best post ever written.  It is like you gave Ernest Hemingway a MacBook Pro.  Better than Ring Lardner, better than Grantland Rice.  Like John U. Bacon, only faster and with better leverage. 

 

 

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:56 AM | Damn that was a beat down by Brian (Score:1)
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"The team..The team...The team" 

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:02 AM | MGoPacquiao is going to be (Score:2)
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MGoPacquiao is going to be upset you beat him to that.

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:56 AM | What did he say about Chris Perry? (Score:1)
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Do we have any quotes about Mike Hart, Chris Perry, Ty Wheatley, Touchdown Tim and the guys who actually were good? 

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:01 AM | Fred Jackson on Chris (Score:5 Normal)
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Fred Jackson on Chris Perry:

"He's like Barry Sanders with wings and the ability to talk to animals"

"Vegeta, what does the scanner say about Denard Robinson's power level?"

"It's OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!"

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:04 AM | Hart, Perry, Wheatley, Biakabutuka (Score:4 Normal)
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Those guys were like Jesus, only more humble and meek.  And they turned water into 23-year aged single-malt scotch.

Denard's 2010 was spent redefining what one man can do.

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August 19th, 2011 at 12:37 PM | Seriously (Score:3 Normal)
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Biakabatuka:

"The people who vote gave Eddie George the Heisman, but Tim is a better running back."

 

"Why would you ask a dumb question like that?"  -Lloyd Carr

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August 19th, 2011 at 4:04 PM | That was actually true IMO. (Score:1)
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Eddie had a good pro career and Tim didn't, but only due to injuries. One year that he was healthy for Carolina he was tearing it up.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:59 AM |   When is his re-election (Score:1)
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When is his re-election campaign…err nevermind, he is not a politician. All those overly positive statements would make a politician blush. 

~I can put you in Queens on the night of the hijacking. 
~Really? I live in Queens. Did you put that together yourself, Einstein?

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August 19th, 2011 at 10:59 AM | Fred (Score:3 Insightful)
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Love me some Fred Jackson, that was awsome, i do not care if it was hyperbole or not.

"Oh They Came to Bury Michigan, But Michigan Wasn't Dead" - Bob Ufer

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:49 AM | Amen Brother (Score:2 Normal)
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Here's to Fred Jackson coaching as long as JoePa, but without the broken bones!

"That's all there is...there isn't anymore"

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August 19th, 2011 at 12:02 PM | WE STILL <3 YOU FRED!!!!! (Score:2 Normal)
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WE STILL <3 YOU FRED!!!!!

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:00 AM | Don't Remember (Score:2)
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I can't even recall Roger Allison... 

I vividly remember Jackson talking about Shaw and McGuffie before the 2008 season started thinking that the offense will be fine with two up and coming greats in the backfield regardless of who was under center... i be wrong

 

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:41 AM | Poor McGuffie (Score:1)
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I'm sure it was just as painful to him watching Sheridan throw the floaters as it was to all of us.

The Sheridan/Threet combo wasn't scaring anyone.

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:55 AM | I don't think McGuffie (Score:1)
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I don't think McGuffie thought watching the floaters was painful. It was what the linebacker did when he caught them.

Poor kid. He needed a year or more to build himself up to where he could protect himself.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:00 AM | Too Bad (Score:5 Normal)
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Too bad Fred Jackson isn't right all the time.

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:03 AM | The Brandon Minor description (Score:5 Normal)
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Is fact. 

He is the only running back I've watched where I felt like he was tackling defenders.

Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:16 AM | Yeah, he was darn fun to (Score:4 Normal)
Magnus
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Yeah, he was darn fun to watch.

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August 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 AM | I'm curious... (Score:1)
Blue in Yarmouth
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you didn't thnk he was fun to watch? When he was healthy and on the field I have to say I loved watching him plow through defenders and then break into the open field...I guess you didn't. You are a UM fan right?

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August 19th, 2011 at 12:24 PM | Like John Riggins (Score:1)
maizenbluenc
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only bluer.

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:03 AM | I'm not so sure... (Score:2 Normal)
Firstbase
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I'm not sure we can safely categorize the Denard comment as hyperbole.

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:29 AM | If the "fast kids on other (Score:2 Normal)
74polSKA
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If the "fast kids on other teams" were from the SEC, then he'd be speaking the truth. lol

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:49 AM | "Okay, that last one is (Score:2 Normal)
jbibiza
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"Okay, that last one is right."

jbibiza

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:04 AM | When asked about Tyrone (Score:5 Normal)
Laser Wolf
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When asked about Tyrone Wheatley's ability, Fred Jackson spontaneously combusted.

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:47 AM | Actually... (Score:2)
Philip A. Duey
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he only spontaneously combusts when we're about to win a MNC:

http://books.google.com/books?id=nzi35Oau2G0C&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=fred+jackson+on+fire+1997&source=bl&ots=7YuSKUTpQV&sig=oLkXZ-zJRKkAEmkIZOBI6R5Bg1A&hl=en&ei=VYVOTonDL-KnsQKe4py_Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=fred%20jackson%20on%20fire%201997&f=false

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:06 AM | Wow (Score:5 Normal)
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This post was amazing. Like a cross between Kafka, Shakespeare, and Woodward and Bernstein. This "Brian" guy is gonna be considered one of the all-time greats by the time he leaves here...

They no longer call me Bisbiño

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:07 AM | LoL, this must be Jack's 1st (Score:1)
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LoL, this must be Jack's 1st rodeo.

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We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:53 AM | I disagree (Score:2)
Blue in Seattle
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That email from Jack was an easy slow pitch, just so he could watch Brian hit it out of the park.  That had to be from someone who watches this rodeo frequently.

Could call Jack!

Bravo Zulu!

"That's all there is...there isn't anymore"

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:07 AM | This is possibly the most (Score:2 Normal)
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This is possibly the most enjoyable post in the history of MGoBlog.  Or at least in the history of my participation in MGoBlog.

"I don't see how having someone piss on my face is going to help me sell Lou Ferrigno's house."

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:08 AM | that looked very... (Score:5 Normal)
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anectdotal to me.

 

I think I need to see a scatter gram and a chart to be sure.

 

 

Time wounds all heels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwGXMryTbwE

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:48 AM | Mathlete? (Score:3 Funny)
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Behind The Numbers: FJ Hyperbole Quantified.

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:08 AM | Alls I know is we have one (Score:5 Insightful)
gordie bell
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Alls I know is we have one fantastic stable of running backs right now, including Shaw, Hopkins, Toussaint. Why did RR insist on running Denard 400 times a game and leave these guys fresh as a daisy. We could have had three 1000 yard back last year. Fred must have been pulling his hair out on the sideline

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August 19th, 2011 at 12:17 PM | Because when they got their (Score:0 Offtopic)
MileHighWolverine
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Because when they got their chances they didn't do anything...in contrast to Denard who set NCAA records practically every game.  

In reality Denard running turns any RB in the backfield into an extra blocker which was a key ingredient to the special sauce for our offense last season.  

And Denard is the fastest guy on the team, bar none.

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August 19th, 2011 at 12:27 PM | I'm guessing (Score:2 Insightful)
maizenbluenc
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Gordie was writing sarcastically.

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August 19th, 2011 at 12:49 PM | Who "didn't do anything"?  (Score:2 Normal)
Magnus
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Who "didn't do anything"?  Fitzgerald Toussaint had a 61-yard carry and 1 touchdown on about 6 carries last year.  Michael Shaw averaged 5.4 yards a catch and had 9 touchdowns.  Michael Cox averaged about 9 yards a carry.

As far as I can see, the only ones who didn't do very well were Hopkins (4.1 yards/attempt) and Smith (who ought to be a 3rd down back, not a feature back).

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:11 AM | Did Rawls really run a 10.65 (Score:2)
nickbob
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Did Rawls really run a 10.65 100?  of all Fred's comments, at least that one is quantifiable and verifiable. 

 

 

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:12 AM | This post was awesome.  What (Score:1)
Bo Knows
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This post was awesome.  What Happened to Underwood?  Ph yeah, Mike Hart.

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August 19th, 2011 at 11:21 AM | Jack, seriously (Denard giving you the "Let's be honest" look), (Score:2)
myrtlebeachmaiz...
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"but it could be that Jackson hasn't been able to get excited about running backs in recent years"

Do you EVER read anything Michigan recruiting related?  Rhetorical question...  The man IS NOT capable of not getting excited...

 

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August 19th, 2011 at 12:08 PM | (Score:1)
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Hey Jack.

Formerly known as PahokeePahokee

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