Players taking medicals? [Ed-S: ..or non-renew 5ths, or transfers]
"There's only 12 seniors in this class, we'll have some guys who are medical (redshirts) and that kind of thing, which gets us up to about 15, but this is a small class. Seventy-eight of our players are freshmen or sophomores, that's a lot of young guys."
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
Taking a glance at the depth chart by class, and excluding anybody whose eligability naturally runs out after this year, some rampant speculation choices:
Pipkins - already had an injury, haven't seen much from him
Chris Fox - huge knee injury senior year of high school, haven't heard much from him
Bosch - unexplained leave of absense. Supposedly came back, but still don't know what's up with that
Then random names of people we haven't heard much from who aren't freshman:
Strobel, Bars, Gant, Richardson...
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:40 AM ^
Isn't Lawrence Marshall Jr. on crutches at the moment? He's a freshman, but seems like a fairly serious injury.
3 career ending injuries is a lot. No matter who they are that will hurt.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^
Yeah any injury to a freshman would have to be like a head injury or spine injury to knock them out for their career. I just kind of excluded them because I feel like we would have heard something if it was super serious that way. Not hearing about it makes it seem more like a minor injury that keeps pooping up and they don't want it to get affect the kids life long term.
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:30 PM ^
Poop injury.
October 23rd, 2014 at 1:38 PM ^
The next few days were excruciating.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^
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October 23rd, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
Not Bosch...he has already stated he is returning to the team in January and his leave was not because of injury.
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:17 PM ^
Unless something happened since the last game, I don't think Gant is one of them. He plays regularly on special teams. I saw him on punt coverage vs PSU.
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^
I believe the same is true of Richardson.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
out of Chicago? Did he ever make it onto the field? I feel like I see him in street clothes ont he sideline every week. This made me look aback at the 2011, 2012, 2013 classes. Sooo much potential. You have to think the right coach and strength and conditioning coach can really help
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:28 AM ^
He took a medical last year. He isn't one of this "new three".
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:33 AM ^
Where is your direct quote of "new three" from? Its not in the tweet, and I have not seen it anywhere.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:27 AM ^
Well, damnit.
You hate to hear this news about any one player, let alone three of them being announced at the same time. Whoever they end up being, that has to be the worst to hear that you will no longer be able to follow a dream and play football for your school.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^
How stupid are the UNC players for not taking real classes? Football is the most brutal sport there is and you have the opportunity to come out with a world class education but don't.
Hopefully things are run differently here and our medical hardship kids come out with real degrees.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^
Pretty stupid but then again they weren't there to get an education in the first place. I think if you got an honest answer from athletes, you'd find a healthy % of them really don't give a hoot about the education part of being on a college campus. They just want to play their sport. But that issue goes deeper when you look at how they did in HS and how important a role of education was in their life and their family. I am going to guess that those that came from families that valued education and pushed their kids to strive on that end probably took their college classes seriously. Those that didn't, went to UNC! It's a shame but that's the reality we live in.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^
Its never good for the players, and my sympathies to them.
From a team standpoint, it seems to me they can afford OL and S losses the least.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^
injury bug has not been friendly to this coaching regime. At all.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:39 AM ^
3 career ending injuries?!?! I mean, Adrian Peterson damn near had his leg taken off in college and once in the pros and he came back from that. Also, Willis McGahee comes to mind as well, remember that brutal hit to the leg?
Has to be brain trauma related.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:40 AM ^
That reads as if Hoke was making a general statement that you can always recruit more than you have spots for because there are always spots that arise due to guys leaving/transferring or career ending medical situations. I don't necessarily think that quote means there are 3 specific guys who are done for good.
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October 23rd, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^
But a journalist said so....
October 23rd, 2014 at 1:39 PM ^
Its not a journalist's job to provide unbiased content in its proper context so that people can make their own opinions. He's supposed to splice bits and peices to fit a more click worthy narrative. Don't you know anything about journalism?
In all seriousness, this is exactly why Hoke gives no information to press ever. You tell the honost mundane truth, and they try to twist it into something significant. Better to just give them nothing to work with.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
This really needs to be cleared up. If Hoke is saying there are three medicals, he should state who they are. Or just not say anything. If Snyder bollox'd this up, he needs get it clarified immediately.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:53 AM ^
This is private health information. Why does it have to be "cleared up"? What's the rush?
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^
Is my point. There's no need to mention it at all. If there are 3 medicals and Hoke knows that, he has every right to keep it under wraps.
But if he's going to come out and say there are 3 medicals, it's naive to think there isn't going to be speculation on who it is. Serves no purpose to come out and say that.
On the other hand, if Snyder is taking a generic statement and putting a tweet inferring there are 3 medicals, and Hoke didn't mean to say that, Snyder needs to clean that up.
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^
keep it under wraps...or to tell everyone like he did.
What does Hoke care if there is speculation? There will be speculation about this thing or that thing or some other thing regardless. The information is interesting to fans - because it affects recruiting. If suddenly Michigan threw out more offers we'd speculate that it was because of decommitments. Now we know it's because of attrition.
Sure, we would we like more information about injuries to satisfy our curiosity but it's not our right. Complaining about what information we do get just seems to encourage putting another layer of brick on the "fort" walls.
I see no problem with Hoke mentioning this.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^
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October 23rd, 2014 at 11:57 AM ^
I agree, that's what Hoke said on radio last night.
You'll note that the only exact quote in Snyder's tweet is"some guys." As an aside, why would anybody on this board assume that anything from the Freep is accurate?
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:52 AM ^
You guys are listening to Mark Snyder now? This isn't the mgoblog I know.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:52 AM ^
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^
Some kind of upper body injury. WD spotted him in a sling on the sideline.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:52 AM ^
Maybe not likely, but surprised no one has mentioned him. That would have arguably the greatest impact on the program.
Whoever it is, this is tough news to have 3 guys go at once. Wish them the best.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:57 AM ^
explicitly say that he was cleared to play? I know he said that for the PSU game and it turned out to be...not true...but after the game didn't he again say he was definitely good to go in the future?
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^
specifically asked about Shane, and Hoke said that Shane is the backup QB for the MSU game.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^
This just makes me dislike the current regime more.
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
Why? Because they may be doing the right thing and allowing these guys to finish school for free and freeing up scholarships for other players? Not every team is Alabama.
October 23rd, 2014 at 11:55 AM ^
But I think y'all are overstating its likely meaning. A med hardship would typically be for a 4th yr Jr., not a young player who has plenty of time to try to rehab something. It'd have to be a pretty bad injury to a young player to get a hardship (or you'd have to be a low performing Frosh/soph at Bama... zing).
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^
Where did Snyder get "career-ending" from? Here's the quote as shown in Baumgardner's article today (assuming they're both referring to the same statement from Hoke):
"There's only 12 seniors in this class, we'll have some guys who are medical (redshirts) and that kind of thing, which gets us up to about 15, but this is a small class. Seventy-eight of our players are freshmen or sophomores, that's a lot of young guys."
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^
So he's saying there will be 12, and with the usual amount of medicals, they are expecting it to be 15ish.
In other words, there are not three clearly defined players at this point.
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^
I suspect two offensive linemen, neither of whom has seen the field yet, and a DL who has played a bit.
Just a hunch.
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:44 PM ^
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October 23rd, 2014 at 3:29 PM ^
THIS should be added to the OP and title. HUGE difference between a vague general statement about usual attrition vs. "careers of 3 players are over."
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^
A senior Antonio Bass, or even one who had been redshirted in 2006 after a less severe injury, would have been the key to giving us a competant 2008 offense. As several of those games were entirely winnable, we may have gone 6-6 or 7-5 and maintained our bowl streak and bought RR more time.
sigh.
October 23rd, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^
I think Antonio Bass is the great What If of the last 15+ years of Michigan football. Having him on those first one or two RichRod teams may have changed everything. 2-3 more wins a year may have Rodriguez still here
October 23rd, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^
October 23rd, 2014 at 1:27 PM ^
Yup, either him or Drew Henson. I think Henson on the 2001 team makes a possible NC contender. Michigan lost three very winnable games during the regular season, by 13 total points. Throw an athletic senior QB in there, he handles the pressure of an early-season West Coast road game, adds at least one more score so no clock hijinks could have saved MSU, and most importantly he doesn't have Navarre's disastrous first half against OSU that got the Jim Tressel mystique rolling.
Also, having Gutierrez in '04 might have helped Henne ease in a bit, but that's not a big one because he was still pretty good as a frosh.
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