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11/18/2017 – Michigan 10, Wisconsin 24 – 8-3, 5-3 Big Ten

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[Bryan Fuller]

In the aftermath of a good thing that turned bad, or vice-versa, there's always the attempt to say This Was The Moment. Most of the time this is just ad-hoc narrative placement; obligatory XKCD link goes here. Not so Saturday. Anyone attempting to slap a big ol' narrative on Michigan-Wisconsin couldn't help but land on Brandon Peters lying on the turf, and the team-wide deflation that took place immediately afterwards. And... yessir. You are correct.

Wisconsin's offense had just emerged from a deep and restful slumber to go up 14-10 thanks to consecutive third and long conversions, one a 51-yard slot fade at a guy who was Not Lavert Hill, the other a slick double post route that Alex Hornibrook executed on. Before that the Wisconsin offense looked like any other Big Ten outfit beset with a quarterback trying to find out how many limbs he had. The Badgers had eight drives; they had four first downs*.

Maybe if Michigan was still up because the replay official was any average person on the internet capable of deciphering a still frame...

...or a two-hand shove in the back to Ambry Thomas was called on a freak punt return TD, the defense would have held together better. As it was, being down four points with the dead certainty in your heart that you will not score is an invitation to crack. We saw that many times under Brady Hoke, the valiant three quarters undone by an exhausted and spiritless fourth. That and a quarterback assaulted to the point where he could not continue.

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Michigan's not real good this year for a variety of reasons. Foremost amongst them is pass protection even Devin Gardner thinks is bad. Michigan is down two quarterbacks headed into the Ohio State game, which is bad even for a program that can't get their QB to the final week without some Spinal Tap drummer business befalling him. This is the original sin of the Michigan offense.

Some of the things that happen are relatively explicable: freshman Cesar Ruiz screws up in his first start; Mason Cole occasionally proves he's not an NFL left tackle; a running back gets run over. What takes Michigan from mediocre to awful is the inexplicable stuff.

Michigan's pass protection has often been absurd this year, what with gentlemen going entirely unblocked on any sort of stunt, or not-stunt. This reached its apex on third and six in the first half when Garrett Dooley, an outside linebacker who entered the game with a team-leading 6.5 sacks, lined up clearly intending to rush and ran directly at Brandon Peters for a thunder-sack. Juwann Bushell-Beatty was the nearest OL; he was blocking another dude. Cesar Ruiz, a gap further inside, also had a rusher. Chris Evans went in a route immediately. Patrick Kugler ended up blocking nobody.

There were two other instances of horrendous pass protection that saw Michigan fail to handle a stunt. On one Karan Higdon chopped a guy ably; Kugler left his man to also block that guy. That resulted in a chop-block call. Meanwhile, Kugler's guy ran up the middle and sacked Peters. The Peters injury was another stunt on which Kugler was the most obvious culprit.

Kugler might be a major issue. That's certainly the nicest way to interpret Michigan's pass protection issues since he's gone next year, and anything that's the nicest way to think about a problem should be interrogated thoroughly. But I don't remember things like this happening last year, when Mason Cole was at center. Kugler hasn't been physically overmatched—he generally grades out okay to well in UFR—so the most obvious reason he hasn't been able to get on the field until year five is an inability hack it mentally. I wonder if Michigan would stick with Cole at center and whatever may come at tackle if they had a do-over.

Probably not if the second best tackle on the roster is then Nolan Ulizio.

There are two ways to proceed from here. One is to point out the colossal failure of Brady Hoke's offensive line recruiting and the Grant Newsome injury, which is currently in its second year. Michigan had barely enough dudes to field a good OL and a cliff after, and then the least replaceable guy went out, etc.

The other is to point at a fifth-year senior at center who's organizing one of America's very worst pass protection units and wonder why Tim Drevno and company couldn't field, like, the #80 pass pro unit with a bunch of highly touted four stars. This line of questioning will pause briefly to note the total lack of tackles in the 2015 class after Swenson was booted and Hamilton flipped to Stanford. It will also cherry-pick random freshmen or backups from the history of college football who weren't total disasters.

The latter take is way more likely to @ you, or call a radio station to declare something UNACCEPTABLE, but it's correct. (Ish.) So is the calmer take. Both are correct except insofar as they ignore the correctness of the other half of the equation. Michigan was unprepared to block this season, and that's because they aren't the kind of program that just reloads everywhere. Part of that is having your six-man class of would-be redshirt seniors whittled down to one guy who might not be very good, and part of that is that Michigan's reloading with Rashan Gary on defense and Nolan Ulizio on offense.

We'll see what happens next year. I don't have enough information to start yelling about it. I do have enough to approach the game this weekend with zero expectations other than pain. That's all too familiar, but whatever.

*[I am counting the drive right before the half since it started with 2:20 on the clock.]

AWARDS

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[Patrick Barron]

Known Friends And Trusted Agents Of The Week

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#1 Mo Hurst. I am pretty sure that the long run was on the other DT, not Hurst, which means that Hurst was a major force in the middle without much to blame as Michigan throttled the Wisconsin offense almost wholly until a late fade.

#2(T) Chase Winovich and Rashan Gary. See above: Gary was regularly tackled by his opponent but still got drive and sent backs elsewhere; Winovich had two TFLs against a Wisconsin O that rarely gives them up. This is a point split here because I want it to be. The points are made up and don't matter.

#3 Donovan Peoples-Jones. Four catches for 64 yards and one should-have-been touchdown on which he did (barely) get his left foot down first. Translating from Michigan offense to normal offense, that's approximately 300 yards and six touchdowns.

Honorable mention: Devin Bush had a Default Hornibrook Interception; though Aubrey Solomon had a solid day early but may have faded late. Long and Watson were all over the UW receivers; Metellus and Kinnel both got called for some garbage PI calls but were in excellent coverage otherwise.

KFaTAotW Standings.

8: Devin Bush (#1 Florida, T2 Cincinnati, T2 Air Force, #1 Purdue), Mo Hurst (#1 MSU, #2(T), Indiana, #1 Wisconsin).   
7: Karan Higdon (#1 Indiana, #2 PSU, T2 Minnesota).
6: Mason Cole (#1 Cincinnati, T2 Rutgers, T3 Minnesota), Chase Winovich(#1 Air Force, #2a Purdue, T2 Wisconsin), Rashan Gary(T2 Indiana, #1 Rutgers, T2 Wisconsin).   
5: Khaleke Hudson (T2 Cincinnati, #3 PSU, #1 Minnesota), David Long (T3 Indiana, #1 PSU, #3 Maryland)    
4: Chris Evans(T2 Minnesota, #2 Maryland).   
3: Ty Isaac (#2, Florida, #3 Cincinnati), Lavert Hill(#2 MSU, T3 Indiana)), Josh Metellus (#1 Maryland).   
2: Quinn Nordin (#3 Florida, #3 Air Force), John O'Korn (#2 Purdue), Sean McKeon(T3 Purdue, #3 Rutgers), Mike Onwenu(T2 Rutgers),
1: Tyree Kinnel (T2 Cincinnati), Mike McCray(T2 Air Force), Zach Gentry (T3 Purdue), Brad Robbins(#3 MSU), Brandon Watson (T3 Indiana), Ben Bredeson(T3 Minnesota), Donovan Peoples-Jones (#3 Wisconsin).

Who's Got It Better Than Us Of The Week

Quinn Nordin hits a field goal to put Michigan up 10-7, which momentarily feels like enough.

Honorable mention: Michigan scores a touchdown!

imageMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

10-7 turns to not be enough as Jaylen Kelly-Powell is torched on a slot fade that Hornibrook slots in there. Major question why JKP was deployed there since that coverage instance was far worse than any slot fade the safeties had dealt with this year.

Honorable mention: Brandon Peters is blasted out of the game. Brandon Peters is blasted earlier.

[After THE JUMP: eat at Arby's]

OFFENSE

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[Patrick Barron]

Peters was functional-ish. 9 of 18 for 157 yards is 8.7 yards an attempt, but Michigan had little faith in him until it was clear they shouldn't have any in the run game about halfway through the second. A wildcat-timeout-pitchout series of events on third and eight was frustrating.

When allowed to drop back without being immediately pressured, Peters was good-ish. His accuracy was a bit off on a couple throws, most notably a shot to McKeon in the endzone that got broken up.

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big versus little [Fuller]

You'll note McKeon is on one of the hoodie brothers. Michigan split McKeon out early a few times, and I have to imagine the idea there is that he can box out the much smaller DB. So throwing to him is fine, but Peters put it over the top of both guys instead of trying to back-shoulder it, in a situation that—I assume—exists primarily to be a back-shoulder throw.

But he hit a few guys downfield and probably could have shouldered more of the load if every dropback wasn't a threat to send him to the hospital. The fumble was a bummer, and an extremely poor... something. Maybe it was just ball handling, but Peters had zero shot to get to the endzone and the extra yard or whatever he was going to get even if the scramble went well made no difference. Even so I'd call that an encouraging performance, especially given the context.

At least for next year. I can't imagine Peters will be available next week. Even if it's a concussion, which seems like the best case scenario, that seems like the kind of concussion you don't recover from in a week.

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no [Fuller]

Speaking of that wildcat. What the hell, man? Lining up Chris Evans in the backfield by himself and running "wildcat" that doesn't even include the misdirection screen/sweep stuff that makes that approach even mildly functional was the best thing Michigan came up with in a month of walkovers? Michigan couldn't even get lined up on these things, which makes me think they were thrown in this week. For... reasons. What a waste of time. Someone find the wildcat enthusiast on the coaching staff and cuff them about the ears.

Someone threw it to him. Congratulations to Donovan Peoples-Jones, who finally has something to show for being hand-wavingly wide open deep all year. Previous incompletions were almost never his deal.

TJ Edwards did work. Two different power plays on which it looked like Michigan had done enough to get a solid gain went down at or near the line of scrimmage because Wisconsin ILB TJ Edwards "got skinny in the hole," per the scouting jargon, and slashed by Cesar Ruiz. I thought those plays were more indicative of an All American-level linebacker than a serious knock on Ruiz. That'll be a learning experience for him.

I haven't gone over the tape in detail yet but Michigan definitely tried to mess with the Wisconsin middle linebackers and they were having none of it. There were a couple of plays where I thought the action was different and expected some success; there was no success.

RIP the run game. I dunno, man. They got killed. Because this is the way of all promising Michigan things. Suspect that a total lack of respect for the passing game was a major factor, because DPJ was again set free on a post route without any safety help.

DEFENSE

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[Fuller]

Alex Hornibrook, explained. Soooo we figured out Wisconsin's bizarre passing stats, in which a team that can't protect and throws a bunch of picks somehow comes out looking pretty good, and is awesome on passing downs. It turns out Alex Hornibrook throws into coverage constantly and is excellent at doing so. A half-dozen Wisconsin completions were seeing-eye balls that only reached the receiver after passing through the eye of a needle... and they only had nine completions. The two completions on their first TD drive are the only ones I can remember where a receiver achieved any separation. The rest of the day it was the above, where you couldn't even get slightly mad at Michigan's coverage.

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[Barron]

Help? No? No. Wisconsin's run game did almost nothing until after the Peters injury, and then they got thunked, first on a long run by Jonathan Taylor and then more steadily as their light dimmed. It still boggles the mind that Taylor averaged 7 yards a carry. That is not at all what that game felt like. It's mostly just the one long run; Wisconsin only had 2.6 line yards a carry.

SPECIAL TEAMS

DPJ is not suited to return punts maybe? Peoples-Jones had a few opportunities to return punts that looked initially promising, but his tendency to dance and lack of insta-quicks saw those fail to amount to anything. Peoples-Jones is obviously a very fast person but seems better suited to kickoffs, where that's almost all that matters, than a punt return where being able to juke a guy in a phonebooth is almost a requirement to do anything.

Yes, I know he had a TD early in the year. I still think Eddie McDoom or Chris Evans or Ambry Thomas would be a better option back there.

A field goal: made. Barely, but it counts!

MISCELLANEOUS

A hearty thanks to everyone who just goes about their lives after a bad game. There are so many more of you than it seems like, because you're drinking and playing Mario Kart or making a casserole or fighting the mighty Gronthar. You are not replying to a Huge tweet and tagging half the Michigan beat. Hey buddy, if I wanted to hear the opinion of a Huge caller I'd listen to Huge.

The GAME THEORY. Michigan drove to the Wisconsin 41 and punted on fourth and six. I was more or less fine with this, and the thunder-sack on third and six on the next drive rather drove the point home. This was destined to be a rock fight, and when you're in a 1950s game you can make 1950s decisions. Fourth and three, I'm listening, but fourth and six is an expectation of success low enough that I'd rather have the field position.

HERE

Best and Worst:

Worst: Piping Hot Takes

No fanbase handles losses particularly well, and Michigan is no different. Usually after a loss like this, you'll maybe get some high-profile knuckleheads chiming in with inane comments, a whole slew of naysayers with the pitchforks and the memes (10 years without a road win against a ranked team! was the new one this week) aplenty, and a heavy dose of trollish "fans" who have super-detailed opinions about the quality of the Nike uniforms and how often they've beaten their rivals but couldn't name more than 3 starters on the team. It's the nature of the beast, and Michigan being one of the most prominent programs in country, you'll get a surplus of them.

And I'd love to say it's best to ignore these voices, not because every negative opinion should be treated as invalid, but because they tend to be lazy and without anything meaningful behind them beyond stunted anger. Braylon Edwards questioning why John O'Korn got a scholarship is just him being an asshole; his attempts to walk it back were about as lame as you'd expect from someone claiming "Wtf approved his scholarship and transfer????????" was cogent college football analysis. Of course, he's also one of the few Wolverines I've seen with his own detailed "Legal Issues" entry in his Wikipedia bio, so perhaps none of this should have been a surprise.

The season, a discussion, in two parts. Part the first:

Is a successful season more like a fine wine or an S&P ranking?

~~Chuck says, "The answer is always wine."~~

I was initially surprised by responses claiming that season success is an inherently subjective matter. User ChiBlueBoy summarized:

"I also appreciate trying to put some numbers to something that will always be subjective (in Jr. High I created a mathematical formula to determine if someone was "attractive," so the desire to quantify the subjective resonates with me)."

My first reaction was to scoff at this comparison. Perhaps only because I had spent a decent chunk of time making the scoring metric, but I viewed the idea as more like S&P and trying to make objective measures of a team's offense and defense. Just like it is valid to say that a running play is objectively "successful" if it gets at least 4-5 yards on first down, it is valid to say that objective components of a "successful" season include beating our rivals and winning the Big Ten title.

And part the second. A history of coin flips against Ohio State. Spoiler: there is something wrong with the coin. The bowl picture points towards San Diego. And probably Arizona, if bowl people care more about ratings than MGoJen's feelings.

ELSEWHERE

I barely want to read my take from this game, but here's a Japanese game show!

Japan! What a good country! Although there is definitely someone @ing a Japanese guy about the unacceptable performance of the guy in orange!

Comments

noahtahl

November 20th, 2017 at 3:21 PM ^

...gonna hate. Okorn sacks were his fault for holding ball too long, not finding open receivers. Speight broken vertabraes, peters 5 times needing help to sidelines and one ambulance ride in 3 starts. STFU MO GO BUG. GET OFF INTERNET. I WOULD LIKE TO PUNCH EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE FUCKING NOSE.

ST3

November 20th, 2017 at 1:33 PM ^

After that mattress post following the PSU game, I was afraid Brian was going to spend his time discussing UP TV's latest hit show, Meow Manor. Maybe he's saving that for the OSU game. To be honest, I watched the entire 30 minute broadcast. There was something soothing about watching three cats cavort around a tiny human house, or is that a giant doll house?

Mitch Cumstein

November 20th, 2017 at 1:34 PM ^

2 things really pissed me off about the DPJ phantom TD 1- it was clearly a TD, yet in bazaarro repay world it wasn’t 2- I don’t understand why all TV commentators feel the need to fall all over themselves to say how good of a call they think it was before they even see a replay. This happens ALL THE TIME. Is there some unwritten broadcasting rule against objectively commenting on the officials’ performance? Or even just processing information before commenting at all? It’s like instantaneously when a play is over “what a great call”. I don’t get it, and it’s annoying.

Bando Calrissian

November 20th, 2017 at 1:57 PM ^

Because TV networks have to somehow justify why they're all paying a talking head "officiating expert." Their job is to tell the commentators they're wrong, even if the only thing they do is just parrot whatever the official called in the first place in the most nauseatingly fawning way possible.

The thing with this replay, if that gets called a touchdown on the field, it stands just as justifiably as this call was upheld. When you need a play to be slowed down to the intricacy of the Zapruder Film to prove the call is incorrect, it's probably not going to get overturned. Yet I'm less concerned about that than any number of other missed calls and systematic no-calls. As in, call me when they actually start calling PIs and offensive holding with any consistency when Michigan is involved. 

ijohnb

November 20th, 2017 at 2:02 PM ^

broadly, it seemed like Joel Klatt hated Michigan this week.  Gus Johnson was right down the middle, and at some points was loving him some Michigan Defense.  But Klatt was all Wisconsin, right from the opening kick.

Michigan4Life

November 20th, 2017 at 2:10 PM ^

isn't a clear cut. There has to be indisputable evidence that it is a TD and it isn't. Yes, it appears that his left foot was in before his right foot but it is what it is. Hard to overturn it. Although, I do say overturning Wisconsin catch is far more indefensible than saying the call stands on DPJ catch.

Alumnus93

November 20th, 2017 at 1:37 PM ^

they are fucking up by not throwing deep.  we supposedly have all these great wrs.... so chuck it.... set up the run but first from the pass, and keep their safeites deep... instead, we pound inside draws over and over, and rarely throw it long.

TrueBlue2003

November 20th, 2017 at 4:51 PM ^

1. We do throw it deep about twice per game and this is the first one our QBs have been able to hit (and even this wasn't a great throw).  So like 1 for our last 10 isn't a good hit rate.

2. Have you seen our O line try to pass pro?  We don't need more long developing plays, we more quick throws and slants and screens.

blanx

November 20th, 2017 at 1:38 PM ^

I completely get that we don't have a functional offensive line at the moment, but man, the level we're at is depressing.

 

MORE TACKLE RECRUITS PLEASE.

mGrowOld

November 20th, 2017 at 1:39 PM ^

Is the OSU ticket prices have dropped dramatically.  Saturday morning the lowest price on Stubhub was around $180ish for high, corner endzone.  Now you can get REAL good seats (halfway up - between the 40's) for around $200 and the prices just keep coming down.

I'll be there on Saturday.   And I'm going to try and channel my inner 1995 self - maybe Higdon can run for 314 yards and we'll upset OSU.  

ijohnb

November 20th, 2017 at 2:08 PM ^

hate to do this, but I'm watching Clarkston (the other maize and blue, with winged helmets) try to take State this Saturday at Ford Field. 

I can't anymore, not right now.  Every year around this time I wait all week for The Game and then my weekend is ruined by 3:00 PM.  I'll be all drunk and pissed.  Declaring things unacceptable(!).  Eating some pizza that I hate.  Can't do it again.  Going to watch in on DVR later in the day.

#Not a real fan, I guess, but this has been a brutal year.

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Erik_in_Dayton

November 20th, 2017 at 2:18 PM ^

I think I will probably watch - maybe while also reading a book or something like that - but I've thought about going to see a movie instead.  Losing is one thing, but going into the game with no real hope again is hard.  

You Only Live Twice

November 20th, 2017 at 9:42 PM ^

Crowd stayed in for the MSU game, in horrible weather.  Until 0:00

Interestingly, I did see many Sparties in our section leaving early.  Why, I thought.  They might win.  Turns out they were just headed up to the covered concourse area so they could stay warm and dry.  If we pulled out a victory, they'd have been gone. They were hedging their bets so to speak. After the final second, they all filed down the stairs (not a normal sight at games' end let me tell you) to celebrate.  

funkywolve

November 20th, 2017 at 1:39 PM ^

The frustrating thing about the wildcat and the other plays where they had to burn time outs in the first quarter because they weren't set up right is those time outs would have been nice to have at the end of the first half.  On UM's last two drives of the half (not counting the one kneel down) the offense seemed like it was finding itself and the Wsconsin defense on its heels a bit.  Peters went 4 for 5 for 116 yds (with the one incompletion being DPJ in the endzone).

After the TD, Wisconsin got the ball with 2 minutes left in the half and it seemed like they just wanted to get into the locker room.  If UM had a time out or two they would have gotten the ball with either 40 or possibly around 80 seconds left in the half.  

Indiana Blue

November 20th, 2017 at 3:55 PM ^

and he killed that FG.  It was dead into the wind (20mph) and it was drilled.  He had a mindset issue for a few weeks, but he absolutley nailed the one attempt he had on Saturday.

Again .. he is a true freshman.  Cut the kid some slack.  AaAnd yes I would have bet a ton of money that he would never had missed an extra point his entire college career.

Go Blue!

mgobaran

November 20th, 2017 at 1:41 PM ^

The Team played good enough to have a shot at winning the game. 

The calls against us happened during the most crucial moments.

Peters going out deflated the whole team. 

The end result was not even having a shot at winning the game.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 20th, 2017 at 2:23 PM ^

...if Peters can't go I think we're more likely to see Garrett Moores forced into action than we are to see a Wolverine win.  O'Korn is bound to be planted a few times.

To be clear: I'm still very optmistic about the future of the program under Harbaugh.  I just think we're going to be stomped on Saturday.

EDIT: I forgot about Malzone.  He would go in before Moores.

coachdad

November 20th, 2017 at 1:42 PM ^

I think deep down we all knew that we would finish this year with three or four losses. I suspect we all mistook what we wanted to see for what we were actually seeing. We have no choice but to ride this thing out to the end of the season and look ahead to next year. I know! I know! We are all tired of looking to next season, tired of losing to rivals, and basically tired of watching other teams win the Big Ten. I truly think next year can be awesome. We lost basically an entire football team last year, and next year we bring almost an entire team back. Winning is a process and I think we are on the right path. GO BLUE

JFW

November 20th, 2017 at 2:17 PM ^

For me, the Florida game gave me false hope. I thought the team better than it was until I realized how bad Florida was. 

 

And, also, i think one or two things change (Speight doesn't go out, we keep Black in the lineup) and this offense looks better. 

stephenrjking

November 20th, 2017 at 1:44 PM ^

I guess I'm hearing that some fans really lost it about this game. I guess people lose it whenever we lose, so I sort of get that. But this game wasn't surprising at all. It wasn't MSU, which was a rival we should have beaten. It wasn't Penn State, which was embarrassing and required us to do a hard reset of what we thought we were. 

Wisconsin has one of the top defenses in the country. Maaaaybe that's partly due to their schedule and lack of challenging opponents, particularly downfield, but this team was never going to provide that challenge. They are a mashing offense that wears teams down and scores to put games away late. 

So we got robbed of 7 points and produced 10 others, and our defense gave up 17 points, and there was that punt return, and we lost. On the road. With our QB clearly not ready to excel but actually making some nice plays, and our true freshman WR making some nice plays, and Wisconsin's impenetrable run defense cutting off our run game with a couple of our leading RBs being gimpy. 

This was totally expected, this year, with what we have. And, crucially, does not bode particularly poorly for 2018 and 2019 relative to where the rest of the season has been. The team performed as expected and did nothing to alter expectations for future years at all. 

All losses are disappointing, but this is anything but the disaster some people imagine. It seems like a litmus test for people who have actually been paying attention vs. people whose analysis of football is limited to "we have winged helmets, ergo we should win 11 games every year." 

lhglrkwg

November 20th, 2017 at 2:26 PM ^

A significant portion of the fanbase convinces themselves that we are going to win EVERY GAME no matter the odds and when we lose a game in very understandable fashion, they completely lose their minds. The collective reaction to losing to the #5 team on the road in a game which we were in the thick of until our starting QB got knocked out is insane. 

It's like preseason everyone thinks 8-4/9-3 is likely, but then loses it when they realize that getting to 8-4 means we lose 4 games and that is unacceptable. Ace was right when he said that the worst part of this rebuilding years is this fanbase

JBLPSYCHED

November 20th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^

Watching this team with Maize and Blue blood in your veins reveals whether you are an optimist or a pessimist. It gets old saying, 'we're young, we're injured, and we were never going to challenge for a division or Big 10 title this year' but it's TRUE. Do other teams sometimes overcome such limitations? Yes they do, but infrequently. It takes a little bit of luck to win a title but mostly it takes hard work, patience while learning/development occur, and experience. We all know this. No one lucks into a title. The little things help to create luck sometimes but the learning curve is the learning curve. No way to avoid it. If you're a pessimist then you lack patience and the willingness to allow development to occur and the benefits of experience to accrue. You get frustrated and decide in the heat of the moment that success must come NOW for no particular reason other than you want it NOW. The big test for Michigan fans is our attitude this week heading into Saturday. After all we've witnessed during this admittedly frustrating season I ask, Who among us has the guts to proclaim optimism about our chances against OSU and beyond? Have we given up hope? Ready to bail on our beloved coach and kick him to the curb? We all know that's ridiculous and short-sighted. I like our chances against OSU, especially at home. They are a flawed team just like we are and we tend to rise up and play well against them when on paper it seems unlikely. Onward and upward and Go Blue!

KC Wolve

November 20th, 2017 at 2:55 PM ^

I think the issue is that upsets happen, yet Michigan never seems to be able to pull it off. This was one of those games. I didn’t think they would win, but I thought they had a chance. I think Wisky will get rolled in the playoff if they make it. The game was so close, then a bad call or 2, then an injury, then it fell apart. At some point I just want it to not fall apart and to come out with a win. They have elite athletes and it is sort of bizarre it hasn’t happened in such a long time.

Um1994

November 20th, 2017 at 5:54 PM ^

I would really like to see Michigan pull off the upset as well.  However, Michigan is in a different category than a lot of teams that do pull off the upset...Kansas State this weekend, Iowa vs. OSU a few weeks ago, Harbuagh at Stanford vs. USC.  The teams that pull of the upset are generally not thought of very well.  Regardless of the team this year, most teams tend to be ready to face Michigan for a "signature" win.

MileHighWolverine

November 20th, 2017 at 1:45 PM ^

Peters is the future and he looked pretty good given age and experience. Shelve him until next season to save him from the Devin Gardner experience. Let JOK, or hell, Malzone, earn their scholarships.....and for godsakes fire EVERYONE that has anything to do with the OL.