Interesting Crystal Ball Development Tommy Tremble:
Today Michigan got a crystal ball for Tommy Tremble just a day after he committed to Notre Dame. The crystal ball is from SBNation Director of Recruiting Bud Elliott, which is significant because he was one of the first recruitniks to interview Tommy Tremble, a little over a year ago. With Ben VanSumeren likely to commit, it could be an interesting couple of days.
December 16th, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^
I actually think he wanted to come here after his visit, but his parents pushed him to ND because they hadn't seen Michigan.
December 16th, 2017 at 2:56 PM ^
I think the coaches had a similiar feeling, especially Patridge. Sounds to me like things are coming down to a number issue. People assume because they offer Bell & VS that we are desperate, and it's not the case. They have a certain amount of guys they want at each position, each year. This strategy is tried and true for the Harbaugh's, and nothing is going to change their minds.
My feeling is that if you are not on that early signing period list, they are not counting it in the bag. With the flip of Jobe to Bama it proves that these elite kids will flip, and in fact have a tendency to. The coaches were not expecting to miss on both Anderson and VJ.(admissions) I think, they have begun to come around to the fact that until their top 2/3 (barrett, Petit-frere, Friday) kids are inked, that it's anyone's game.
The coaches WILL close strong. They outwork their peers, and it's going to show up on NSD. Not sure who, or when yet. The past 2 weeks have been crazy, and there are people inside Schem Hall who think we have some highly ranked kids coming.
Bowl prep is in full. I to am in the Peters boat. I think he has an incredible bowl game, and takes the pole position now and keeps it. Regardless of whether Shea gets cleared, I think Peters is the guy.
Don't be surpsried if the transfer announcements start coming in. Harris, Speight, Hall, and Moe are close or already agreed is the word.
December 16th, 2017 at 3:37 PM ^
I'm not a subscriber so I didn't see the discussion, but didn't the director of recruiting at 247Sports (Wiltfong) as well as Lorenz basically call out our top two offensive coaches as being not very good recruiters (including on the effort front)? I can see Harbaugh lighting a fire under folks after a disappointing year (offense statistically on the level of Randy Edsall's UConn team), but I haven't heard anything to suggest that our current offensive coaches outwork their peers in recruiting or are adept at it. (Wheatley and Fisch both seemed to get accolades on the recruiting front.) What are your thoughts on the situtation?
December 16th, 2017 at 3:59 PM ^
Drevno is on 4-6 top OL/TE guys every year and his success rate is better than most. Patridge and Jay are both outkicking their coverage, and Pep narrowed in on 2 guys for this cycle and got them both. Hugh Freeze complained about this, and other coaches feel the same way. JH told us all in his first year, he's a jackhammer. Sure, both coach Wheatley and Fisch are missed, but they both had roles that are being covered by more coaches now (Fisch woked on west coast and Wheat was in charge of Detroit-among other things) Not sure this answers your question. I do think that whomever the new hires are they will have some recruiting experience, if not expertise.
December 16th, 2017 at 4:38 PM ^
I appreciate the response and the information. I'm inclined to have a different take on Pep narrowing in on two guys and getting them,* but I appreciate your perspective. I hope Harbaugh's jackhammer focus and work ethic spills over to everyone on the staff.
*If I remember correctly, we lost out on Dorian Thompson-Robinson (to UCLA and Fisch), we could not hang on to Tyler Shough (decommitted and then flipped to UNC), and added Doyle only after Pep saw him playing on a nationally broadcast program. It also looks like we are going to go 0-for-4 on the nationally ranked WRs that Pep is targeting.
December 16th, 2017 at 4:44 PM ^
a) Shough was never committed to Michigan.
b) Top receivers would be coming in a year after perhaps Michigan's best WR class in history (Peoples-Jones, Black, Martin, Collins). It was always going to be tough to get good WR recruits in the 2018 class after last year's haul.
December 16th, 2017 at 5:09 PM ^
This makes plenty of logical sense. But, is it true of elite programs? Seems to me like recruits are gonna go to elite programs regardless of the depth chart. To be fair, I'm thinking of OSU, Bama, etc. Bama gets the best RBs seemingly every year. OSU has a crowded depth chart every year and 5-stars are still flocking there.
December 16th, 2017 at 5:21 PM ^
Michigan isn't an elite program.
December 16th, 2017 at 5:49 PM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 5:52 PM ^
Meh. I'm not interested in having that argument again. I don't think we are, but I'm fine with it if you disagree.
December 16th, 2017 at 7:56 PM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 7:58 AM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 12:43 PM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 5:39 PM ^
a) My mistake on Shough. But my point still stands: it really wasn't the case that Pep targeted two people in the class and got them both. He targeted Shough (and UM had also targeted DTR) as a QB. And that is just on the QB side.
b) Regarding WRs, St. Brown is going to USC, who signed a 5 star WR last year. Babb is going to OSU, who signed a top-50 WR and a top-200 WR last year. But yes, UM's WR class last year was very good. (While Hamilton is credited in part on Collins and Martin, DPJ was recruited by Fisch and Wheatley and Tarik Black was recruited by Jay Harbaugh and Don Brown.)
c.) You are tied into recruiting more than almost any of us. Do you think Pep Hamilton is an excellent recruiter, on the level of the coaches from OSU, Alabama, and USC? He is the third highest paid offensive assistant/coordinator in the country, I believe (tied with Drevno, who is also making $1.15M).
December 16th, 2017 at 7:55 PM ^
You say people have more info about recruiting than you do, but you continue to argue what they're saying. Whatever... It seems clear to me that you are only bitching about Pep because you don't like him. That's your issue, not ours, not his, and not Harbaugh's.
December 16th, 2017 at 9:14 PM ^
Sits in his basement eating paste, gathering “information” in order to trash people from behind the keyboard in a slimy, insinuating way, implying people don’t “work hard,” trying to look like the intelligent concerned citizen when in fact he’s just a troll.
December 16th, 2017 at 10:43 PM ^
I'm not the director of recruiting for 247Sports. He made the original comments publicly on Pep and Drevno -- not me, not some fan on Twitter. If you wish to ignore his comments, go right ahead. I am interested in intelligent responses to those comments. GhostofJermaine gave his thoughts, and I appreciate his perspective. I asked Magnus if he thought Pep was an excellent recruiter. You seem to have concluded that I (or maybe the folks at 247Sports?) have some sort of personal animus toward particular coaches, which seems like a terrible conclusion. But if that is your takeaway from the conversation, so be it.
December 17th, 2017 at 1:20 AM ^
Your phony, know-it-all "but i'm an impartial observer just askin' questions" pose is nauseating. Some comment from 247 Sports? Who the F are they? If you really wanted knoweldge you'd get off your ass, stop trolling for dirt on Michigan's coaches, get in the field, or like a proper journalist, since you're so interested in other people, go ASK the coaches what they do in their job, the details of recent hits and misses, and their approach. Instead you sit there and quote some stupid website as a way to come on here and passive-aggressively bash Michigan's coaches.
December 17th, 2017 at 8:06 AM ^
You appear to be a blithering fucking idiot, Abram.
One problem with pulling internet psychobabble out from very deep within your asshole is that everything you extract from your asshole happens to smell, look, sound, feel and taste like shit.
That becomes a real dilemma when the things you keep up there include your head, cuz, you know, one likes to suggest people pull their heads our of their asses if that's where they house them, but then you're foisting that stinky toxic ugly gross eyesore upon the world.
I take comfort in the fact that any suggestions would be for naught anyway given that you lack the ability to dislodge your fudge covered block of cement regardless.
God said: "Abram, you kill me,son. Abram said: "Man, you must be putting me on." God said: "No." Abram said: "What" God said: "You can do what you want Abram but the next time you see me coming you'd better run". Abram said: "Where was this killing done?" God said: "Out on yardline 61. (Apologies to Zimmy)
December 16th, 2017 at 9:15 PM ^
Why not make a report to the board of education? It can start out, “Internet message boards say our coaches don’t’ work hard enough.” They’ll appreciate it more than we do. Maybe you can get a job as a full-time snitch.
December 17th, 2017 at 7:14 PM ^
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December 17th, 2017 at 8:22 AM ^
Before you decide you're on board with BP having a big bowl you might want to think back to the frustrating premature departurlation of one Mr. M. McGary Esq.
After all,we don't want to see that he's Still Smokin since he doesn't want his Nice Dreams to go Up in Smoke by the NCAA telling him to Get Out of My (qb) Room, because that would really show that Things Are Tough All Over for this program.
December 16th, 2017 at 1:48 PM ^
I just find it very interesting that a recruiting writer that has a closer and unbiased relationship with Tommy Tremble thinks that he will end up at Michigan. It wouldn't shock me at all especially if his parents get on board.
December 16th, 2017 at 2:01 PM ^
#crootin
December 16th, 2017 at 2:17 PM ^
he had points from tremble to ND though, i know this would be one of those things that if he did come to michigan bud would get a huge points boost. so you might be right that hes just hoping to get that knowing that it doesnt really hurt him to be wrong on that one.
December 16th, 2017 at 2:27 PM ^
He won't get many if Tremble switches before the early signing day. Percentage is the other statistic that gets listed and I think people put more stock in that. In any case, guys need a strong reason to switch from a pick that was correct.
December 16th, 2017 at 3:20 PM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 2:24 AM ^
The way I read your post was two separate statements.
"I don't think." Full stop. Not exactly self-flattery, but people say odd things on the internet.
"Tommy Tremble is coming to Michigan." The rationale seemed odd--it's what his parents wanted. But, he wouldn't be the first contrarian teenager in the history of young men coming into their own, either.
Then, I re-read your post in the way that I suspect that you actually intended it, and it became far less interesting.
I wouldn't be surprised see Tommy flip. He's already trembling, as it is...
December 16th, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^
We'd have to get his parents to come to campus. They didn't come on his Michigan visit, so they still favored and pushed him to Notre Dame.
December 16th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^
I just hope this doesn't bite Ben VanSumeren in the butt. He's trying to commit to Michigan and Iowa pulled his scholarship either this morning or last night. Hope theres room for both.
December 16th, 2017 at 5:29 PM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 12:32 PM ^
Wrong—Harbaugh is NOT looking at VanSumeren as an LB—he's going to be on offense:
The most noteworthy part of the Michigan offer – other than coming from a high-profile, home-state school 97 miles down the road – is that Harbaugh said he plans to use VanSumeren as an H-back, fullback or off-the-line tight end. VanSumeren said Iowa had him slotted as a linebacker.
“In talking to Coach Harbaugh, I said ‘Coach, what were we missing in this whole process? Because we think he is an offensive kid.’ And he said ‘We think he is, too.’
“They think he would be a solid outside linebacker, but he could be so much more on the offensive side. That’s pretty exciting.”
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2017/12/jim_harbaugh_calls_wi…
December 16th, 2017 at 7:48 PM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 2:58 PM ^
I'm making the assumption that we are getting VanSumeren. Also that he was only offered because Tremble told the coaches he was committing to ND.
I can't see this CB pick having anything to do with us not taking VanSumeren, since that writer would have no info about that.
December 16th, 2017 at 9:21 PM ^
There were a couple of stories on Mlive about him, his mom is a Michigan alum and he was annoyed that Michigan looked past him but that type of thing can be overcome when you roll out the red carpet for someone.
December 16th, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 1:49 PM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 2:09 PM ^
Norte Dame
This is a bad look.
Sincerely,
Suckeyes
December 16th, 2017 at 2:13 PM ^
I have no idea what is going or what is being said in this conversation
December 16th, 2017 at 2:15 PM ^
I believed, perhaps mistakenly, that he was going with the whole (Norte Dame, Sharty, Suckeyes, Ohio $$$tate deal with the intentional mis-spelling).
Not really a fan of his other comment, either, FWIW.
December 16th, 2017 at 2:18 PM ^
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December 17th, 2017 at 7:40 AM ^
Assuming the knee jerk religion = hypocrisy angle.
December 16th, 2017 at 2:28 PM ^
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December 16th, 2017 at 2:27 PM ^
yeah the campus looks nice, but you're going to college not looking for a wedding chapel. Northern Indiana and the town of South Bend are nothing special
December 16th, 2017 at 2:41 PM ^
I can understand if they like that a lot better than sending their kid to Miami, for example.