Debate proposition: Dantonio is the best coach in the B!G.

Submitted by wolverine1987 on

I'm sure many negs are due this OP, but I just watched the MSU game and when I think of this:

-3-9

-lost best their WR and several contributors due to scandal

-are along with M, the youngest team in the nation

-have objectively, factually, worse talent than any of the league elite, including us

-are playing walk ons at key positions 

-had a terrible recruiting year yet are playing freshmen

-beat us at home and just beat PSU, another team with far superior talent to them...

I can't come to any other conclusion than the title of this post. I am all Harbaugh, and I think our future still is brighter than most in the league. I wouldn't want any other coach for Michigan. But damn IMO this is hard to refute. But I'm wide open to counter arguments. Have any?

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Jimmyisgod

November 5th, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^

MSU has two walking starting, 1 at LT and 1 at DE, but even those two were both low 3 star recruits in high school. They have like 1 2 star player contributing at all in their team. And his staff evauates kids their own way, they say they only sign 4 and 5 star players based on their own evaluations. I don't know what it is, but they have talent, a lot of talent. I'll bring that Joe Bachie back up because I've read a little about him. He's a low 3 star recruit who was once committed to Western. MSU gets him on campus and start measuring him. He's 6-2, 235 lbs, benches 400 lbs, and they say he runs in the 4.5s. On film he has great football instincts and looks fast as hell. What about that says low 3 star? If anything that kid should have been a top 100 recruit. For every low 3 star over achieving Dantonio has a kid like Bachie who the services just totally whiffed on.

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RoseInBlue

November 4th, 2017 at 7:38 PM ^

I disagree actually.  I think it's a combo of being a good coach and being the luckiest coach possibly ever.  Or he sold his soul to the devil.  One of the 2.

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ScooterTooter

November 5th, 2017 at 10:19 AM ^

How did they "make" their own luck in the 2015 Michigan game when Blake O'Neill dropped a punt on a fluke play? Or the 2015 Ohio State game, which was just Urban Meyer inexplicably turning away from Elliott? Or against Penn State when an open Penn State receiver has the ball go through his hands which would have had Penn State in position for a field goal late to win the game as time expired?

Honestly, Dantonio has just had the chips fall his way more often than not. He's a very good coach, but his record and prestige has been elevated by fortune. 

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SalvatoreQuattro

November 4th, 2017 at 7:40 PM ^

I would say that he is as good of a coach as there is in the Big Ten. Both Meyer and Harbaugh have greater achievements, but he has done well vs both. (Although he did need a fluke win to get his first win vs Harbaugh.) The Big Ten has three elite coaches. Franklin is not one as we saw today.

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BigBlue02

November 4th, 2017 at 7:59 PM ^

I was just coming into this thread to say this. The overreaction is ridiculous. I wish we had a time machine so we could go back in time to last week and start an “is Pat Fitzgerald the best coach in the B10” thread?

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HimJarbaugh

November 4th, 2017 at 7:39 PM ^

No doubt he is one of the best. I also think the weather played a big part in the wins over PSU and Michigan just as the delay on their trip to Evanston played a role in their loss at Northwestern.

He is the perfect coach for that team and may have won a natty if there had been a playoff in 2013.

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uncleFred

November 4th, 2017 at 7:39 PM ^

A coach who prides himself on coaching his players to behave like thugs on and off the field. He may win more games with lesser talent, but in my world "best" requires more. 

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ckersh74

November 4th, 2017 at 10:03 PM ^

I said nothing of the sort. 

My only point was that THIS YEAR, he's the best coaching job in the conference. We'll worry about the future in the future. It might snow then. I don't know. 

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Stringer Bell

November 4th, 2017 at 7:42 PM ^

No, it's still Meyer.  Getting talent is part of the game.  I'll take the guy that has 3 national titles and winning percentage over 90 (despite today's hilarious result)

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WeimyWoodson

November 4th, 2017 at 7:58 PM ^

No idea how it took to the 39th comment to say Urban.  Guy has won everywhere, today was his 8th total loss while hes coaching in his 6th season.  As much as I hate that guy I would have loved if Michigan had hired him over Brady Hoke.  

I also wish Dave Brandon wasn't such a dick and would have wooed Harbaugh the way he should have and hired him over Hoke.

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Maynard

November 4th, 2017 at 7:58 PM ^

Correct. The object is to win each contest. Meyer has the national titles, the win percentage, and hasn't even had a losing record in a season. 

Dantonio is second as it pertains to this conference (note: this isn't the NFL), and Harbaugh may be third, though at this point Franklin has a Big Ten title that he doesn't.

 

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Bigly yuge

November 4th, 2017 at 7:43 PM ^

No doubt he's the best at motivating his teams and competing against the big boys with much less talent. I wish our offense would take the mentality of MSU's. MSU goes out and physicallly imposes their will upon you. For the better part of 7 weeks our offense looked lackadaisical, and void of emotion.

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HAIL-YEA

November 4th, 2017 at 7:43 PM ^

OK, Urban Meyer has 3 national titles between 2 different schools. He is probably a top 5 all time coach, how the fuck is Dantonio in that class? Dantonio is a really good coach but what has he won? Ask a legit title contending team how much they care about the B1G title which is Dantonio's ceiling. Also recruiting is part of being a coach, he should not get credit for lower rated classes performing. I swear the MSU slurping is unbelieveable, ferentz has accomplished as much as Dantonio.

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HAIL-YEA

November 4th, 2017 at 7:58 PM ^

that is impossible to know if he is doing as well as someone can and its just stupid excuses that MSU fans and radio hosts use all the time. If MSU loses to Northwestern no big deal, if Michigan loses to Northwestern we would have got lambasted on tv and radio and they would be saying Harbaugh is on the hot seat. MSU is a B1G school with plenty of resources to win big, Dantonio just can't get them over the hump. 

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CHUKA

November 4th, 2017 at 7:44 PM ^

Based on the resources he's given I think I'll have to agree. Imagine him with a Michigan budget, and the Michigan name behind him. However, glad we got Harbaugh on our side.

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OwenGoBlue

November 4th, 2017 at 7:44 PM ^

Nope. 96-44 is certainly good but it's not amazing. It's not like he's doing this at Rutgers either. 

Still has to be Urban because they've just had more (and greater) success on the field. Isn't that what it's about?

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UMForLife

November 4th, 2017 at 7:44 PM ^

What is up with these stupid threads. I am so glad that PSU lost. It did not bother me that MSU won. Zilch. But these kind of threads is stupid. Best coach in B1G would not go 3-9. So stop it. Good for him that he is doing well. But he is not the best.

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Bobby Digital

November 4th, 2017 at 7:46 PM ^

-3-9

-lost best their WR and several contributors due to scandal

-are along with M, the youngest team in the nation

-have objectively, factually, worse talent than any of the league elite, including us

-are playing walk ons at key positions 

-had a terrible recruiting year yet are playing freshmen

 

All these are points against him being the best coach (unless you mean strictly development/game-planning, but recruiting and roster management are pretty important parts of the job too). Best at making the most of least, sure. But Meyer has three championships, Dantonio made the playoff once and got embarassed. No comparison.

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