[LOCKED] Peppers kneels during national anthem
Per ESPN: http://es.pn/2imwV4m Tough, smart player with great situational awareness.
MOD EDIT - Left it overnight so people could get it out of their system. Went about as well as you would think - LSA
August 21st, 2017 at 11:50 PM ^
If you care about black americans then you will acknowledge the real problems in the black communities. HINT: It isnt police brutality
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:20 AM ^
Hint: police brutality isn't specific to the black community.
Hint: this really isn't about police brutality anymore...it's part of the pie, but not even the majority of it.
Hint: there can be more than one problem in any community. So yes, police brutality IS a problem in the black community, so is profiling by the police...doesn't mean either are the main problems, but they're problems that do exist. If you disagree, shoot your e-mail and I'd be happy to break this down for you off MGoBlog.com.
Hint: educate and learn the history and circumstances of the black community which leads to the "black on black crime" or violence you're insinuating.
Hint: since you're "acknowledging the real problems in the black communities" - what are YOU doing to fix them?
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:38 AM ^
"What are YOU doing to fix them?"
Buzz! Big down vote. It is against current rules to discuss the actual problems in area like Flint (where I live) and it is most certainly against the rules to do something about it (Example: Vincent Smith).
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:07 AM ^
Vincent Smith is the true Nolan Ulizio then. He's a walking downvote for life as long as he keeps planting those damn gardens.
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:27 AM ^
Maybe you could take your analysis a step deeper and look at why things are so bad in the black commuities. Do you believe there is something inherently worse about black people that leads them to commit acts of violence? Or are there potentially outide factors that contribute to the violence?
How would these people in the black neighborhoods be treated if they moved out of the area into a white neighborhood? Would they be frequently harassed by police because they looked like they didn't belong? Would they be steered away from certain neighborhoods by realtors or denied loans by banks? Would their neighbors welcome them or act afraid and try to drive them off?
If you think none of the above happens at a far higher rate than most Americans feel comfortable to admit, then you are incredibly naive. And those are just some of the factors stacked against them.
Parrotting the talking points about black on black crime shows you are either intentionally deflecting from the actual issues, or too ignorant to have an actual discussion.
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:21 AM ^
August 21st, 2017 at 11:48 PM ^
Peppers knows as much as anyone how black on black violence ravages black communities considering how his brother was killed
This whole kneeling, BLM protest against police completely ignores the biggest problems in the black community.
For example, 100+ were shot in Chicago alone on 4th of July weekend.............I repeat ONE HUNDRED were shot in one black portion of a city........in a single weekend...............but ok yeah lets focus on that one black guy who cant follow orders from a cop and is killed
Im not going to side with him just because he played at Michigan. Kneeling during the anthem, although harmless, is a stupid protest being used to ignore the real issues
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:53 AM ^
High black crime rates in the black community and police "brutality" have EVERYTHING to do with each other. The fact you think they dont shows you clearly dont live in a black city and dont understand whats going on in these places.
1. Why is it that black people are stopped by police at a higher rate than every other demographic? They commit crime at much higher percentages. This is what causes for all of these altercations to begin in the first place
2. Why dont we ever hear "Black Man In Suit Walking To Work Gunned Down By Police"? Oh right because the black people who respect the law and obey police orders ARENT GETTING SHOT. The ones who are getting shot are thugs.
3. What do these black people that get shot or beat by cops generally do before the cop acts? They disobey police orders, assault the cop, or reach for a weapon
4. Why do they have trouble obeying authority figures such as cops? Because they are brought up in the hood told not to trust police. Many black kids are literally brought up being told their entire lives that police officers WANT to kill them.
5. 73% of black babies are born out of wedlock. Its not a false stereotype when people joke that black kids dont know their fathers. This is a real issue. This results in black males not knowing how to deal with dominant auhtority figures such as police. They arent used to taking orders from other males. This also has effects in the classroom where black public schools are basically zoos compared to other races classrooms.
6. The glorification of criminal behavior. Rap. These kids from a young age are listening non stop to songs telling them to kill people, fuck the police, sell drugs, fuck hoes, etc. They look up to these rappers who say these things. They want to be just like them. This causes them to have a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE attitude when it comes to dealing with authority figures such as police. This causes them to get into drug dealing and other criminal behavior.
7. No Snitch Policy in black communities. They dont even want to report crimes in their communities but if a white guy kills a black guy all of a sudden its an outrage! They will wear "Free (Insert Murderers Name)" T shirts. Free Boogie! Free Gucci Mane! Free Criminals! Oh how lovely of a culture where the people actually want murderers released from Prison!
8. EXCUSES. The black community is looking for someone to blame for their communities being messed up. They are looking to blame someone for their problems. White people are their target. White cops are the easiest target.
9. What happened in Ferguson when Mike Brown was killed? Riots! They burned down their own city to.............make a point? Wait what? Oh wait they just wanted to have fun, commit some crime, steal shit from stores, and then at the end of the day.............its the white cops fault? And then its shown through forensics that Mike Brown did attack the cop but lets just ignore that. Oh ok.
10. Black males make up 6% of the US population yet commit 50% of ALL murders in the US annually. Most of those murders are black on black. We are talking THOUSANDS of murders. But lets ignore that right and focus on that one time a cop may have killed one innocent black person by accident? LOGIC!
The issues in the black community whether it be police brutality, high unemployment rates, poverty, cities in poor condition, the culture that glorifies criminal activity, etc are ALL intertwined. When you bring up one you need to bring up all of them.
The Black Community is in SHAMBLES. We have black athletes with a platform and they want to focus on THUGS being killed by police. That is a complete JOKE
THE CULTURE. THE BLACK CULTURE IS THE ROOT OF ALL THESE PROBLEMS. UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THIS YOU WILL HAVE BLACK/POLICE ISSUES, HIGH CRIME, HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT RATES, ETC ETC. TIME TO ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEM
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:04 AM ^
1. Not true in all areas...of course black people commit more crime where there are more black people.
Timeout...are you suggesting that if I'm a black person who lives in a predominately white community...I should be pulled over because black people in some city in another state are committing crimes at a higher rate? So I can be a model citizen...but just becuase I'm black in this predominately white community I have to get pulled over more? That's pretty messed up. I didn't know the law worked like that.
2. LOL this is so not true, and I shouldn't laugh --- but you're going to be the reason this thread gets locked so I may as well chuckle at your ignorance...and it's offensive. Murder is murder, it's kids, it's teens, it's people of all races, shapes, sizes, and colors.
3...actually, I'm done. I refuse to entertain your ignorance any further. I've had my fill.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:07 AM ^
Good god, you recite all this crap like you actually give a shit about black people when you just want to pretend everything is their fault. I don't want to go through and refute everything, but some of those points are so weak it's laughable.
Regarding #2 and #3, did you read about Philando Castile? He was 100% obeying the law, had a concealed carry permit, announced he had a gun as he was supposed to do, and was murdered by a poorly trained cop. He was doing the right thing, was not a "thug" and yet he ended up dead because he was black.
August 22nd, 2017 at 3:10 AM ^
Castille was shot essentially because the cop was terrified of black men.
Doesn't mean all or even most cops are bad at all. But it does illustrated a major problem. If a black guy who is doing NOTHING, who ANNOUNCES to the cop that he has a gun (I mean, what criminal TELLS THE COP that he has a gun????) is just blown away, how do you expect other black people to respond to that? We see white gunmen with loaded weapons who are clearly trying to be intimidating talked down by cops all the time, yet a black guy who is just driving his fucking car gets wasted in under a minute.
Anyone who can't see a problem is trying really really hard not to see one.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:12 AM ^
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August 22nd, 2017 at 1:33 AM ^
I feel sorry for black children that will have to grow up in shitholes like Saginaw, Flint, and Detroit because idiots like yourself rather focus on police who keep these cities from going to complete hell instead of the real issues
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August 22nd, 2017 at 1:42 AM ^
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:53 AM ^
a "stop and frisk" on a white guy is more likely to lead to finding contraband and arrest than if you stop a black or hispanic guy, right? That's called the "hit rate," and everyone who's ever studied it, both in the stop and frisk context as well as traffic stops, finds the same thing. Here's a good academic paper on the subject using NYPD stats (see sec 5.3) but it won't take you much time on Google to find many others.
There is no doubt a serious and pernicious crime problem in many poor, urban mostly black communities. Social welfare statistics beyond crime in those communites can be equally grim. But then why isn't there a hideous crime problem in middle and upper class mostly black communites? Because crime tracks with the social blights of poverty: poor education, lack of work opportunities, healthcare, and, yes, (breathe slowly) institutional racism in the form of access to capital, for starters, your argument is basically that people who live in poverty deserve one kind of justice system and people who have it better deserve something else.
Everyone has a right to not fear for their lives when they're pulled over. What the endless videos have been showing us lately is that the situations are unecessarily escalated and often tragic even when people make a good faith effort to comply with orders.
August 22nd, 2017 at 3:39 AM ^
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:34 AM ^
Your ignorance and deflecting is deeply offensive.
Earlier, I tried to use a football analogy for obvious reasons. I'll try again. I feel like right now you're upset that everyone blames that awful 2008 team because of it's bad offense...so you want to point out that K.C. Lopata was 10 of 15 and missed 2 extra points.
1.They both can be problems/reasons.
2. Blaming the kicker doesn't change the fact that the offense was terrible that year as well. Just like changing the subject to black on black crime (without any context as to WHY there is so much of it) doesn't change the fact that there isn't racial equality in this country, we have certain groups of people who feel unwelcomed and disenfranchised, a certain group of people is more likely to be pulled over or go to jail than other groups of people, etc.
In all seriousness, it's your way of pointing fingers. And rather than trying to be part of the solution...you want to blame others.
I find it odd that people get offended when folks say "that's not my president" or they get offended when people "disrespect the American flag." But all of a sudden these issues aren't America's problems...NOPE they're black community problems.
Personally, I consider these issues America's issues. I want ALL of our communities to be better/safer/etc. I want all of these issues to be resolved and I want to do my part in seeing that they do - I don't care if the issue is specific to white people, black people, or any other American citizen...if it's a problem in this country, it's my problem too. Otherwise, give me my own president, my own laws, my own people - when that day comes and only then will these issues just be MY issues in MY community.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:19 AM ^
You like analogies? Ok
You have a dripping faucet in your bathroom sink.
In the basement you have a busted sewage line leaking shit into your basement. The shit has now reached the top step of your basement
The dripping faucet is the small handful of innocent blacks killed or beaten by cops each year
The busted sewage pipe is black on black crime, black criminal culture, black unemployment, destroyed black family structure, etc.
WHAT ONE IS MORE IMPORTANT?
WHAT ONE IS MORE URGENT?
SAVE YOUR BULLSHIT REPLY
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:42 AM ^
No analogy needed.
I'm not blaming black people for their circumstance. We got to this point as an entire country and it will take the entire country to get out of this circumstance.
I'm also going to address ALL problems, I'm not going to act like anything is insignificant. And if I can fix one of those problems...I'm going to do it. I'm not going to point and say YOU FIX THE BIG PROBLEM WHILE DOING NOTHING.
I personally can't fix black on black crime by myself. But you know what I can do, as someone who lives in a predominately white neighborhood...I can make sure the black people in my neighborhood feel welcome, part of OUR community, and know that discrimination is neither tolerated nor accepted. I can talk with police when I have the chance, I work in D1 athletics, I can make sure our student-athletes have a voice and feel empowered. I can attend forums on campus regarding race and educate myself on our differences and see how I can be a more productive citizen.
And if we all have that mindset, I believe we as a community...black, white, hispanic, asian, everyone can make a difference.
But you keep pointing those fingers while doing nothing. See where it gets you. I like the level of community in my neighborhood...I aim to not only keep it that way, but improve it and be an example for other local neighborhoods. And if I'm ever in a position to do more...you better be DAMN straight I'll do more. I don't care who's problem it is...in this country it's OUR problem.
Black on black crime in Chicago is MY problem. White kids addicted to drugs in rural communities is MY problem. Hispanic/Latino people who make less in this country because of their nationality...that's my problem too.
Hint: I'm not a white/black/hispanic/latino American...but I AM an American. So it's still my problem and I plan to deal with it the best I can. I'll do what I can, no matter how big or small.
August 22nd, 2017 at 2:05 AM ^
August 22nd, 2017 at 2:27 AM ^
that blasphemy Yost brother! Poorly parsed; you just can't accept the fact that disrespecting the flag and national anthem by Jail Peppers greatly harms and offends hundreds of millions of Americans. Further, the manufactuing of events that have become rallying points for your ilk are not lost on honest, objective Americans, ergo the Trump victory. Until your ideological assets gets wiped clean and you can see the truth of events, you and others who accept opinions for facts and lies instead of logic will continue to lose in the court of public opinion and at the ballot box.
August 22nd, 2017 at 3:21 AM ^
Deleted because The Borg is a *bleep* who now has negative points anyway and isn't worth a response.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:40 AM ^
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August 21st, 2017 at 11:59 PM ^
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:09 AM ^
Gonna lock this in while I get some popcorn.
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:35 AM ^
Care to elaborate?
...actually, please don't. Just go to bed.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:19 AM ^
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:24 AM ^
I actually hope he was drinking to be honest.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:44 AM ^
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August 22nd, 2017 at 12:00 AM ^
Trying to think if there is anything left that is "sacred" or a "shared heritage" any more in this the land of freedom. What can Americans say still binds us all together? I guess football.
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:16 AM ^
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:05 AM ^
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:08 AM ^
So you can do whatever you want during the National Anthem. I'm glad there were brave Men and Women who have sacrificed their lives over the generations to keep our country free.
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:27 AM ^
Thankful that 10s of thousands who make far less than Peppers stood for our anthem.
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:37 AM ^
What does money have to do with it?
So if you make money you lose your rights in this country? Damn, that's fucked up if that's what you're implying.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:12 AM ^
Nice try putting words in my mouth. Seems as utter foolishness that those who you would seek to come to your aid or at least open up their eyes to a particular plight, you make aggitation as the source of your message. Do these players hate the US, our flag, or anthem? If their true motive is to draw attention to unwanted police brutality then your best bet is to create empathy not anger. If you want me to feel rage then it should be rage concerning your problem not rage concerning you. These players are turning the people who buy their tickets, their product, and watch them play against them.
If you want me on your side how does aggitating me help? We aren't talking about a few bigots that stand for the anthem and you aren't worried about upsetting them but every red blooded US citizen.
I am going to help my cause by angering the majority of the country? Tacticle error by men who play a strategic game.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:20 AM ^
It's not all about police brutality...jeez, we've kind of all agreed on that already.
Also, plenty of police have empathized and aren't angry at all. You're generalizing.
Why do they have to hate the US, our flag, or our anthem? Why can't they just be trying to bring attention to a cause they're passionate about? So they're not wearing a bunch of pink and they choose to do it this way...it's brought awareness. They didn't wear white wristbands. But why does it mean they hate one of those things?
Most of these players aren't losing a dime. Stop it. The NFL is as healthy as ever. The only players who lose out are guys like Kaepernick - you think Jabrill Peppers is going to lose a paycheck because of this? Have you seen Jabrill Peppers play football?
And for every person who says they're done supporting these players is someone else willing to pay a little more attention. There are far more people who hate what they're doing while still buying those game tickets than people who are giving up their season tickets and burning their jerseys.
And they're not angering the majority of the country. Polls show that it's pretty even on how people view it and then there's also a percentage of people who don't care. So if it's 40%/40%/20%...that's not a majority. Are they pissing some people off? Sure. But check the ratings on how many people watched that PRESEASON NFL game tonight. One that included the Cleveland frickin BROWNS.
Edit: I can't say for certain because I'm not Roger Goddell...but I feel confident that if I've learned anything about him, he wants the money. And if these protests were affecting his bottom line...I'm fairly certain he'd be more active in trying to do something about it. All he'd have to do is say "we'll play the Anthem when the players are in the locker room." Instead the NFL is damn near promoting it. Clearly, it's not costing him money.
August 22nd, 2017 at 2:14 AM ^
The players were praying and not just kneeling. The gesture is different and most certainly not going to upset as many people but still love a stadium full of people standing, hats off, hand over their heart, and singing the anthem in unity.
August 22nd, 2017 at 2:14 AM ^
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August 22nd, 2017 at 1:16 AM ^
Why is kneeling in silent protest during the anthem a sign of hatred of the USA to you? Why does everyone have to conform to how you think they should with regards to the flag and the anthem? This is an incredibly diverse country, and not everyone has had the same American experience you have.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:38 AM ^
Could be a sign of hatred but that is up to the players to give an explanation. If I don't like it then I can choose not to watch them play.
We can be diverse in many ways but there exists core values for this nation (mainly those outlined in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights). If those core values are shredded then America as it is understood doesn't exist. We aren't just talking my values; those players and including your view and the view of Mr. Yost are incredibly outnumbered. If those players are looking to bring attention to a particular cause that is separate from the flag, our anthem, the military, and paying homage to a nation that affords them the opportunity to make millions by playing a game then they are doing it wrong.
August 22nd, 2017 at 12:57 AM ^
I read thru quite a few of the posts and was very suprised to hear that the majority of you guys seem to get it and you're not upset with athletes who demonstrate their right to speak on arguably the biggest platform they might have the opportunity to do so on.
It's terrible that Kaep has been made an an example of when he is a good athlete who can still play. I read about team disruptions and all but truthfully most of the athletes probably would similarly demonstrate against injustice if they weren't afraid of the backlash from the owners and NFL who pander to the "make America great again" crowd.
Timing is everything here. If Kaep does it right after winning the superbowl, the owners/NFL would look the other way because he has too much value ahead of him to blackball him, much like they will for Peppers. My hats off to them both for using the stage they were given and standing for something instead of being a circus act that gets all used up and never stands for anything.
Again, I'm glad most of you get it.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:24 AM ^
100% correct on Kaep.
If he could get a team to a Super Bowl today, he's starting. This is the NFL, period.
You REALLY think if it was Aaron Rodgers or a hot up-and-coming QB like Derek Carr that they couldn't find work in the NFL if they did the exact same thing Kaep did? Of course not.
On a completely separate note...it's the same with Ray Rice. If he could've been a Pro Bowl RB, he would've been on a roster. But he was coming off one of his, if not THE, worst season of his career.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:29 AM ^
Welp, goodnight MGoBlog...I'll be surprised if this thread is here in the morning. My guess is that's when things will really get out of hand.
But I'll say this...other than MichiganStan and Successful Black Republican. This was one of the better conversations I've had on this board in awhile. It sucks those two had to try their hardest to ruin it, but you're always going to have 1 or 2.
Hopefully we can all do something tomorrow to make this place a little better than it was today. I pray for progress.
August 22nd, 2017 at 1:44 AM ^
It may have been brought to the attention of the board in the past, but the forgotten verses of the Star Spangled Banner are really, really fucked up. As a white man, they make me ashamed. If I were a black man, and I were in a position of social power, I might take it upon myself to bring attention to this fact. I was never taught this history in the schools that I went to, some private, some public. I'm glad that these football players started this movement. I wouldn't have known about this otherwise.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Our national anthem was written by a man who so lovingly owned other humans that he wrote the song we sing before every sporting event about what he was going to do to those humans who were audacious enough to fight for their own freedom.
That's fucked up.