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10/09/2018 - 3:24pm If you think OSU's WRs only…

If you think OSU's WRs only run screen passes, there's no point in continuing this conversation.

10/09/2018 - 2:03pm Does this mean you'd…

Does this mean you'd advocate against WRs going to Michigan since your leading pass catcher every year is a TE? Please be consistent.

10/09/2018 - 12:48pm Jeremy Ruckert is getting…

Jeremy Ruckert is getting playing time, he just can't block anyone, so his ass gets glued to the bench often.

10/08/2018 - 7:19pm The second guy is Malik…

The second guy is Malik Hooker's brother, so that answers that. 

I think OSU rode the wave of success the 2014 season and 2015 draft class created into powerhouse classes in 2016, 2017 and 2018. However, the bloom is coming off the rose a bit here. OSU followed up the 2014 title with only one more CFP berth, and we all know how that ended. It's harder to sell national 5 stars on a program that is not winning anything nationally. Look at OSU's 2019 class, it isn't spectacular like the preceding three.

Do I think OSU's shift in approach to ignoring in-state kids for national ones will backfire if OSU doesn't win a national title, and thus stops attracting elite national kids? Maybe! Do I think it's a bad strategy? No. If you want to build a class full of Ohio 3 stars, you're going to cap your team's ceiling. Ask Jim Tressel how his Ohio boys fared in 2006 and 2007. Or MSU in the CFP. Or Kentucky in the SEC East. You can't beat Alabama, Georgia and Clemson if your team is 75% Ohio. You just can't. It's not 1975 anymore.

I mean you started the debate with the crux of your argument being "Is it bad for Ohio State that they keep recruiting elite players from out if state and ignoring worse local players?" It's a weird argument. The only way OSU's plan fails is if they can't turn this roster full of national 5 stars into a CFP berth or a championship. 

10/08/2018 - 6:02pm I think it's an evaluation…

I think it's an evaluation of correlation vs. causation. OSU dropped Danny Clark from the 2017 class specifically because they landed surprise commitments from Dwayne Haskins late in 2016 and Tate Martell late in 2017. Did OSU stop taking local 3 stars like Clark for fun, or did they do it because Meyer became established at OSU, won a national championship and now was able to sell OSU to out of state 5 stars at the expense of local 3 stars after the 2014 season and 2015 NFL draft class. I surmise OSU always wanted to grab 5 stars from California, Texas and Florida, dating back to 2012 when Meyer was hired, but they just didn't have the cache or results under Meyer to do it until the 2014 title happened, and then 12 kids from that team got drafted in 2015. From that point, OSU found it much easier to recruit elite kids nationally, and no longer needed to pad classes with local fliers. 

I don't think OSU found it harder to get local 3 stars to commit after the Danny Clark situation transpired. In fact, the opposite happened, I think local 3 stars found it harder to commit to (or get offered by) OSU.

10/08/2018 - 3:41pm Ok. What do you want me to…

Ok. What do you want me to address logically? Do you want to pretend OSU and Michigan don't recruit the same kids? Look at the commit lists, like 95% of OSU's recruits hold a Michigan offer. Less so in reverse, because Michigan offers an absurd amount of kids and many of them are 3 stars. Regardless, to pretend OSU commits aren't targeted by Michigan because of academics is absurd. Same for Notre Dame. All of OSU's commits have Notre Dame offers too. Notre Dame has been a far bigger recruiting threat than Michigan in the Urban Meyer era, especially in Ohio. 

Further, in the Woody/Bo days, OSU was a shitty state school with borderline academics. Anyone who graduated from an Ohio public high school was accepted into OSU. Currently, the median OSU ACT score is a 29-30. It's acceptance rate is below 50% for the first time ever. The academic profile of OSU has improved drastically since the 1970s. It's not even close.

It's absolutely hilarious to sit on this blog and pretend Michigan isn't recruiting their top targets because of academics. Or that every kid on Michigan's roster would have gotten into U-M if they couldn't play football. It's absurd. 

10/08/2018 - 3:20pm I think your point was OSU…

I think your point was OSU had fumbled in-state recruiting for the last two years. However, it was in-state OL recruiting that they fumbled during those two years, not overall in-state recruiting. The culprit in that problem is no longer on OSU's staff. To your point, I'd rather have Warriner as OSU's OL coach than our current one. Regardless, the theme of your initial comment was that OSU was struggling to recruit in-state since 2016, which I addressed. 

For as long as Meyer has been at OSU, they've wanted to ignore in-state 3 stars to recruit more national talent. I'm not sure why this approach would be starting to hurt OSU now instead of in 2012 when it started, but maybe it is. 

10/08/2018 - 3:06pm If facts are a spin, then ok…

If facts are a spin, then ok. If you don't want me to comment, don't talk about Ohio State. 

10/08/2018 - 1:55pm To be fair, that's your…

To be fair, that's your problem now. All those guys you listed who OSU missed out on and developed poor relationships with are offensive linemen, and the man responsible for "bungling" that is currently Michigan's OL coach. That's the book on Warriner, great OL coach, replacement level recruiter. 

Also, I think your one point, about OSU not throwing out relationship offers to local 3 stars is true, and all you need to do is look at the roster of Kentucky to confirm that, but the idea OSU is whiffing on in-state kids it really wants isn't that true. Like I said, OSU's only whiffs were Warriner recruits. Rumler is probably related to Danny Clark, since Rumler is too old to be a Warriner target. Outside of OL, OSU has gotten anyone it wanted in-state. We'll see if they get Harrison, because that would be their first big miss. 

10/08/2018 - 1:48pm None of this comment is…

None of this comment is accurate, which makes it funnier. 

10/03/2018 - 1:00pm Yea, only real QBs are…

Yea, only real QBs are schemed to go 13/19 for 185 yards every week like yours. Give me a break. Not one single college football fan outside of Ann Arbor would trade Patterson for Haskins. 


10/02/2018 - 10:28pm This comes across as a knock…

This comes across as a knock, but it shouldn't. PSU took away everything deep, Haskins took what they gave him underneath. Do you want him to throw it deep into safety help? 

10/02/2018 - 8:09pm Hard to extrapolate how…

Hard to extrapolate how Haskins looked against PSU to how he might look against Michigan.

PSU zone blitzed him all game, in cover 3. Michigan will blitz him a ton, but will play man behind it. I think Haskins, in his first road start, really struggled to read the zones and find open guys against PSU. You could tell the pressure was rattling him, and he was uncomfortable going through zone progressions in the face of that pressure. 

He won't have that problem vs. Michigan. 

In any event, if Michigan mans up OSU's WRs well, Haskins is no threat to tuck and run for big yards. That is very clear. So much of how Haskins looks against Michigan will depend on how well OSU's WRs get open 1-on-1.

10/02/2018 - 3:21pm Unless Michigan is suddenly…

Unless Michigan is suddenly going to spend all game playing three deep zone, nothing PSU did on defense is translatable to The Game.

09/27/2018 - 9:39am Meyer didn't delete all his…

Meyer didn't delete all his texts, Gene Smith did, and apparently has been doing it for quite some time. Meyer's messages that were deleted were more than one year old, per his phone settings.

Honestly, I find it hilarious this blog rode hard to Tom Brady's defense when he smashed his phone before turning it over to the NFL, but somehow this is different.  

I think there's many reasons why Meyer doesn't want people reading and leaking his old text messages, probably none of them have to do with him texting someone "I love the way Zach Smith beats his wife." 

09/27/2018 - 9:19am Ehhh, we're arguing values,…

Ehhh, we're arguing values, not facts. So I don't really have any expectation of what MGo's receptiveness will be. I assume everyone here made up their mind already. It's why I tend to only talk about football here--there's a final score and someone is right at the end. Not stuff like this. 

09/27/2018 - 9:17am Well thank you for proving…

Well thank you for proving my point. 

09/26/2018 - 7:06pm I think there's a lot of…

I think there's a lot of shades of grey involved in all of this. People, for the most part, especially on this blog and 11W, have only seen things in black and white. 

Have a Michigan fan explain it, and Urban Meyer watched Zach Smith hit his wife and explicitly obstructed police from bringing him to justice. Have an OSU fan explain it, and Meyer is being railroaded by a rogue journalist desperate for relevance/employment after ESPN laid him off. 

It's roughly a million times more nuanced than that. 

09/18/2018 - 2:46pm you ruined it by editing…

you ruined it by editing your comment. new mgoblog sucks. 

09/18/2018 - 11:26am the ex-twitter name of bluey…

the ex-twitter name of bluey nee maizen nee (for my OGs) maize haze 

09/18/2018 - 9:40am -io


09/14/2018 - 9:19am @Jonye_West_


08/08/2018 - 11:19am cool!


08/05/2018 - 4:21pm

08/02/2018 - 3:16pm I don't believe Meyer has…

I don't believe Meyer has unilateral firing power. I think Gene Smith's culpability in this is significantly deeper than what we know at present. 

I also don't think it's that easy to "fire an assistant for beating his wife" when the law and the police haven't said the assistant beat his wife. Like it or not, firing someone for cause for a domestic crime is harder than it sounds, especially when there's no tangible arrest or conviction to point to. 

It's much easier to be hardline on a player with no due process rights. You can suspend them for whatever. What are they gonna do? Sue? No. But Zach Smith can. And without a conviction, let alone an arrest or a charge, that lawsuit has the potential to get ugly and expensive for OSU as an institution in a hurry. 

Meyer comes off as a hypocrite, and full of shit, no argument there. 

08/02/2018 - 3:10pm Fair. I think I meant in the…

Fair. I think I meant in the context of my reply, police showed up to the house in 2015 and "cleared" that particular scene/instance of anything they felt comfortable arresting/prosecuting Smith for at that time based on the allegations during that altercation.

08/02/2018 - 1:47pm I don't know whether Gibbons…

I don't know whether Gibbons was or wasn't a rapist. I do know U-M's internal justice system found Gibbons's conduct was bad enough to warrant his expulsion. What that means, is anyone's guess. Obviously, "the law" doesn't think Gibbons was a rapist. 

I think Ramzy's tweet yesterday was really dumb. I mean come on. Not a single OSU fan had any inkling Smith was an alcoholic and serial wife abuser. Ramzy creating some narrative that his writing about Smith's shitty on-field coaching performance was a subtle nod to totally open and obvious personal problems Smith was having is ridiculous. No one would have conflated the two. Or even thought to have. It's ridiculous to suggest as much. 

08/02/2018 - 1:40pm That's fine. I don't…

That's fine. I don't disagree. But it's a lot easier to make up some fake core values and tout them as a PR stunt than it is to fire a person for domestic violence with no domestic violence arrests or charges. 

Urban Meyer doesn't make that call. The AD, the university president, the BOT, and the university's lawyers do. 

08/02/2018 - 12:44pm Bingo. 


08/02/2018 - 12:43pm See, that's why the…

See, that's why the questions should be asked. You're basically saying it's fine to know your business partner hits his wife and it's the police's job to figure that out, but that's not fine if the guy coaches a football team I don't like.

I hope you didn't just make the argument that the public concern is greater in matters of football coaching than with their community doctors and lawyers.

Meyer didn't "cover up" the abuse. Cover it up to who? I think there's a very important distinction between Meyer obstructing a police investigation into abuse and Meyer not going above and beyond a police investigation that clears someone of abuse. Meyer allegedly knew the police were called and did nothing about the abuse. Should Meyer have called the police back? Ran his own investigation? I can make the argument he should have. But ultimately, Meyer knew authorities responded and chose not to intervene at the scene. At what point does it become Meyer's job to be the police? 

Meyer has not covered himself in glory here. He was put in a terrible position by Smith and Columbus PD and handled it as bad as he possibly could have. If Meyer recommended to Gene Smith that Zach Smith should have been fired in 2015 due to these DV allegations and the police response to his home, and Gene Smith says "I can't fire this guy for domestic violence without an arrest or pressed charges," then what is Meyer supposed to do? 

08/02/2018 - 12:01pm I'm sure he knew. I'm sure…

I'm sure he knew. I'm sure he rationalized in his head he did everything he could when he learned police were called to Smith's house in 2015 and nothing happened and no arrests were made. I'm sure he rationalized why he believed Smith and the police investigation at the expense of the victim. I don't think he handled that particularly well, but at the end of the day, if you get a report your subordinate did something wrong in their personal life, you learn the police were called, and then learn they investigated and nothing happened legally in the aftermath of that investigation, what duty do you have to take matters into your own hands and dig deeper? That's a legitimate question. How do those questions get answered if Meyer is a partner and Smith is his associate? If Meyer is a doctor and smith is his nurse? Does the football coaching dynamic change anything?

Should Meyer have fired Smith in 2015? Yes. Is that only his decision to make? No. Who else knew? Apparently everyone knew. 

Meyer lying about all this a week ago is a disaster, and his disaster to own. 

08/01/2018 - 10:59am is jim tressel available? 

is jim tressel available? 

08/01/2018 - 10:10am that last one is great 

that last one is great 

07/27/2018 - 9:27am It's Forum Blue! 

It's Forum Blue! 

06/29/2018 - 12:02pm If Devontae Dobbs doesn't…

If Devontae Dobbs doesn't think he cans see the field as a true freshman when OSU's current line is currently featuring a kid who has started every game since he was a true freshman, that's on him.

06/26/2018 - 11:16am Welcome to the dark side. 

Welcome to the dark side. 

06/22/2018 - 2:25pm He was also Maize Haze, word…

He was also Maize Haze, word to the true OGs. 

06/21/2018 - 3:57pm If that were remotely true,…

If that were remotely true, Michigan wouldn't offer all the same kids OSU, Clemson and Alabama offer. Basically every kid in OSU's 2018 recruiting class held a Michigan offer too. 

06/18/2018 - 2:03pm Yea, for like 8 years longer…

Yea, for like 8 years longer than you have. 

06/18/2018 - 9:14am Well we can't play ourselves…

Well we can't play ourselves. 

06/07/2018 - 1:56pm i like the buckeyes 

i like the buckeyes 

05/21/2018 - 10:07am you are so beaten down it

you are so beaten down it warms my soul 

05/20/2018 - 2:27pm hell yes 

hell yes 

05/20/2018 - 2:27pm hell yes 

hell yes 

05/20/2018 - 2:00pm It was 35-13 with 11 minutes

It was 35-13 with 11 minutes left in the game when Rudock got hurt. 

05/18/2018 - 5:03pm This UNC doesnt count? 

This UNC doesn't count?


05/11/2018 - 12:24pm lol


04/16/2018 - 12:15pm I mean, you're wrong, but ok.

I mean, you're wrong, but ok. Clemson had the ball all the time because OSU's offense kept going 3 and out and giving it to them. Aren't you a Michigan fan? You see that movie every week. 

04/16/2018 - 10:19am So did everyone? Alabama

So did everyone? Alabama fared way worse. So did 2016 FSU. I mean shit, Ohio State had 9 first downs and turned it over 3 times. Clemson had the ball for 35 minutes. OSU's defense was really good in that game when the offense was an active liability. 

04/15/2018 - 11:14pm Ohio State didn't lose that

Ohio State didn't lose that game on D. They made Watson look pedestrian (259 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs).