[LOCKED] Peppers kneels during national anthem

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MOD EDIT - Left it overnight so people could get it out of their system. Went about as well as you would think - LSA

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Mr. Yost

August 21st, 2017 at 10:46 PM ^

It could be...but unless there are some comments - how do you know this is about police or any type of law enforcement?

The majority of the comments I've heard/read as of late have all been towards equality and they've been in response to certain political comments made post-UVA.

I challenge you to research WHY players are doing this and I challenge players to speak up as to WHY they're doing this - don't let it be a fad. If you believe in something and you want to bring awareness to it...do it.

But this isn't all about cops.

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ak47

August 21st, 2017 at 11:18 PM ^

A) a lot of players are very involved in the community give to charity have foundations etc. including kaepernick.

 

b) they are protesting the national anthem to show that the ideals expressed by the anthem are not the reality for people who are black in america. it is an intelligent targeted peaceful protest

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Lil boy blue

August 21st, 2017 at 10:36 PM ^

My visceral reactions in sports are reserved for shitty officiating, terrible coaching / play calling, dumb roster decisions, poor sportsmanship and lower on the scale ..... poor player execution. Mr. Yost is right, this isn't going away and players on our beloved Wolverines and other teams will continue to demonstrate similar acts. It's their right to do so and the guy who made it en vogue is the only one paying for it.

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Mr. Yost

August 21st, 2017 at 10:49 PM ^

They sit when they pee.

 

...why does that matter? They're not on TV and don't have the same platform when they're not in football season!

It doesn't mean they don't feel the same way or believe the same thing.

Millions of people are watching this preseason game. It's an opportunity to use your platform if you so choose. 

Your comment implies that you think it's all show and when they're not in season they don't care about the topic(s) anymore. I'm hoping that's not the case and you're just generally curious.

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DCGrad

August 21st, 2017 at 11:05 PM ^

Because you don't hear much about the players during the offseason besides Kaep. IMO a big opportunity to talk about the players during the offseason and their advocacy. Especially after the Stanley Cup and NBA finals but before the preseason.

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Mr. Yost

August 22nd, 2017 at 12:02 AM ^

Fair enough...but you don't really hear about any athlete in the off-season unless he's a superstar or he's intentionally pulling down a lady's top and exposing her boob.

This has sparked a ton of community outreach and conversation. It may not have changed anything globally and it may have also sparked "other" communities to be more vigilant with their opposition, violence, and overall presence (also media loves this side of the story so it's glorified even more). BUT no one can deny the money that's poured in, the conversations which have changed communities...or just the fact that it's made people THINK or acknowledge the problem.

I'd like to think I was always aware of these issues, but I know there've been a lot more people willing to openly and honestly discuss them because of these "protests." I work on a college campus - there have been a number of community forums and discussion on these topics and in a lot of cases these athletes have pushed that message.

Hell, we've had mini-discussions on MGoBlog as a result of this and I've seen people go "you know what, that makes sense...I see your point." I've seen others go "I flat out never knew how bad it was until this started happening and I started doing research and actually being more aware."

Getting back to the offseason, yes...I'm sure some guys are only doing this because it's the "in" thing to do. Not necessarily for the attention, but because they feel moved at the moment. #Slacktivism. But other guys are ABSOLUTELY doing more in the offseason and in their communities. I'd say this movement has brought A TON more athletes out into the community. In fact, now it's turning into the "cool" thing to do.

There was a time (Jordan/Woods) where athletes never did anything like this. Now it's become acceptable and they're using that platform to make an attempt at making a difference - no matter how big or small. I know plenty of athletes who donated time and money this offseason. Others met with mayors, congresspeople, and other leaders in their community during the offseason.

Sorry for the long post, but you gave an honest answer...I felt it deserved an honest response.

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The Pope

August 21st, 2017 at 11:11 PM ^

In the NFL they just don't want off-field distractions, unless you are crazy good (like Zeke Elliott) and worth the headaches.  If you are a borderline, or just OK NFL player, teams will pass, because they can get a similar player without the headaches.

I think Michael Samm would be in the league if the media hadn't made such a big deal about his being the first gay player.  He's a borderline talent, who could help a team, but no one wanted the circus or stuff written about thier locker room.  Coaches want to win games, and distractions can hurt that.

Frankly, I think the whole blacklisted thing is a media creation, and the more it get mentions, the less likely CK is to get signed.  Sure there are probably some owners who don't like him, but there are probably others who might want to sign him, if it didn't bring all that extra attention to thier team.

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BigBlue02

August 22nd, 2017 at 12:01 AM ^

Lol, yeah, if Michael Samm wouldn't have been so gay, he'd probably still be in th league. Ugh. Isn't that exactly the reason he should have been the gayest version of himself he wanted to be? So we don't have to say "NFL teams don't want a distraction and being yourself if you're gay is a distraction, so you probably shouldn't be yourself if you want a job in the NFL."

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bluinohio

August 22nd, 2017 at 12:37 AM ^

I don't think that was the point.  The media is the problem.  It's not because a person is gay or kneels or whatever, the teams aren't refusing to have you on the team because you stand for something, but when you do stand for something the media goes all apeshit and makes it a big deal.  That's what the teams want to avoid.  I'm not saying it's the right way to do it, just saying that's WHY they do it.

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OwenGoBlue

August 22nd, 2017 at 1:42 AM ^

Whether the public shows interest in something before or after the media covers it, it's the ratings/pageviews that keep the "who did what during a song?" daily ESPN hot takes going. If the public only watched/read thoughtful discussions of race in American sports, that's what we would get back.

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Solecismic

August 22nd, 2017 at 12:12 AM ^

Sam washed out in the CFL. We're not talking about a blacklist there. He was a successful college player whose skills didn't translate well to the next level. As for Kaepernick, teams carry two quarterbacks and maybe a rookie prospect quarterback. Since your backup needs to run the same playbook as the starter, he's limited in the number of teams that can carry him. So what are you getting, then? An utter media circus over your backup. If he doesn't play, your team is the headline on ESPN for three solid months. If you cut him, at least the negative headlines are shorter, but you might get serious protests from the community. His performance since his third year doesn't suggest he's one of the top 32 quarterbacks in the league. People don't understand that almost half the employed quarterbacks at this moment are "camp arms" and won't make any team. I wouldn't call it a blacklist, but I think the media circus prevents Kaepernick from getting an opportunity to serve as a camp arm and compete to be a backup for a team that uses a mobile quarterback. He's good enough to deserve that opportunity, but signing him when the chances he'll legitimately start and help a team are fairly low is a lot to ask. I thought he might land in Seattle, but still, the distraction would be significant even though people who know something about the NFL would understand Russell Wilson is starting unless he's missing a limb.

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Farnn

August 22nd, 2017 at 12:42 AM ^

In a partial season (Only played in 11 games) where he was returning from injury, Kaep was 17th in passer rating, 13th in TD%, 6th in INT%, and 23rd in YPA.  He also ran for 468 yards at 6.8 ypc.  So there's no good reason some team shouldn't sign him as a starter, not a backup.  He's as good as or better than at least 1/3rd of the starters in the league.  And if not as a starter, then a team like Tennessee or Carolina should have him as a backup to Mariota/Newton.

You're either blind or lying if you say that Kaepernick not having a job in the NFL is because he's not good enough.

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MaizeAndBlueWahoo

August 22nd, 2017 at 6:58 AM ^

Kaepernick had a job in the NFL and opted out of it.  Really, the main reason he doesn't have a job is because he chose not to have one.

The next reason is because he offended and pissed off millions of paying customers.  You wouldn't have a job at Burger King if you did that, let alone the NFL.

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Greatgig

August 21st, 2017 at 10:39 PM ^

I'll feel a lot better when a Latino joins the white and black guys. Then hopefully the female assistant. And maybe someday, lord willing, the minority minority owner can squeeze a hand too. Then once and for all we'll realize how much we all love each and every random citizen.

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Lil boy blue

August 21st, 2017 at 10:58 PM ^

Retires today after 14 seasons so he can serve the community. He did so partly because of Charlottesville and dialogue the Bills had in the locker room with their coach after a 3rd string player held his fist up. Good has come from the "movement" ... this is just a small, small example of such

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BornInAA

August 21st, 2017 at 11:01 PM ^

Is this good or bad?

Lost track of current SJW and alt-right memes.

Kneeling is usually a sign of respect...like in church. But so is standing in attention...confused

 

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VictorValiant

August 21st, 2017 at 11:21 PM ^

For many years, players from both teams have knelt together in prayer after football games, yet the TV moguls go out of the way to avoid showing this on broadcast. Whether you agree or disagree with either type of kneeling, let's at least recognize the one sided story telling of athlete attitudes by the MSM.

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Vengeful Barbarian

August 21st, 2017 at 11:27 PM ^

Proud of Jabrill for helping bring more attention to the cause. It's lame that Kaepernick is being blackballed by the rich ass white NFL owners for protesting. I knkw it wont matter much, but Ilme and my household have chosen to not watch or attend any NFL games, not watch any highlights or game recaps and I won't be playing fantasy football either until the league brings him back.

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TheBorg

August 22nd, 2017 at 3:23 AM ^

Ahsamed that he has joined his fellow rich azz black playas in showing such unecessary disrespect.   It's great that Kaepernick is finding it difficult to find a team willing to take a chance on employing, after all you make the bed you lie in. So nice that you'll be taking your family to the ghetto this fall and help those truly in need instead of sitting on your lazy azz and being tormented by those wise men who own the teams. Such the snowflake

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August 21st, 2017 at 11:43 PM ^

The false narrative that Michael Brown was unfairly killed. Hands up dont shoot was a crock of BS. Forensics and autopsy proved it. Holder would of nailed officer Wilson's ass to the wall otherwise. I sure dont recall Wilson being apologized to despite telling the truth. 

 

I do remember officers being executed over it. I remember the 2 white teens killed in Det area, and their murderer calling on Mike Browns name at sentencing.

 

This is too heated a topic. It has no place where people from both sides go to enjoy a game. First Amendment isnt guaranteed at your place of employment, especially if it turns off a faction of your customers. That is the bottom line.

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Mr. Yost

August 22nd, 2017 at 12:57 AM ^

Wait, what?

Do you know what the 1st Ammendment is?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What the heck are YOU talking about?

Also - Black Lives Matter was started with Trayvon Martin. Again, you have NO clue what you're talking about. First the 1st Ammendment, then that.

My honest suggestion: Before you form such a passionate opinion...educate yourself. Seriously. Just read and do some research. Then come back and rejoin the conversation. That is truly the bottom line, don't speak on things when you don't know what you're talking about.

And it's not about agreeing with me or anyone else. Your opinion is your opinion. But you're spewing things as fact and they're not. You can't have an honest discussion if someone is just making shit up - or if they're so ill-informed that they have a passionate opinion based on things that just flat out aren't true.

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jmdblue

August 22nd, 2017 at 7:19 AM ^

The Brown shooting was likely justified (at least the first shot or 2). But, there has been no lack of videotaped police abuse on the black population either before or after the Brown killing. As for 1st amendment rights, the misinformed temporary member of the board to whom you respond has a point.... You can't be jailed for the vast majority of public speech, but you can certainly (and justifiably) be fired for many instances of inappropriate conduct including what you say at work.

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