B1G Division Tie Breakers
With all the recent prognasitications over what our overall record will be I decided to start looking at tie breakers in what should be a highly competitve B1G East Division.
If Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State all finish the year 11-1 with losses against each other the tie breaker goes to who is the highest ranked in the first College Football Playoff rankings released after the completion of the regular season.
Additionally, the Rose Bowl isn't tied to select a specific B1G team in the event the B1G champion is in the playoff.
So with that being said, would this season be a failure if we went 11-1 and wound up in the Citrus Bowl for the second straight year or the Outback Bowl as an alternative? (MSU / OSU in the Playoff the other in a big name bowl like the Orange and the B1G West Champion in the Rose essentially relegating us to the fourth choice in the B1G)
The Citrus bowl must have five different teams in six years starting with Minnesota two years ago and Michigan last year which makes it most likely under these circumstances that Michigan would play in the Outback Bowl which is the next highest ranking bowl.
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/archive/081011aaa.html
August 14th, 2016 at 7:36 PM ^
I'm only interested in playing a game at Raymond James Stadium on January 9th.
August 14th, 2016 at 8:11 PM ^
Nothing in your actual life that you can control interests you. Sounds about right to me.
You are a parasite.
August 14th, 2016 at 11:41 PM ^
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August 14th, 2016 at 9:43 PM ^
I used to watch games sitting in the same position, holding or tapping the table the same way through the game as though it was some "good luck charm" being sent telepathically through my tv to the players on the field.
Yes, is it crazy and borderline OCD? For sure but however we won/loss games, especially close ones, I'd somehow find a way to pin it on my superstitions or mantras. I've found that drinking helps...
August 14th, 2016 at 9:52 PM ^
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August 14th, 2016 at 7:43 PM ^
Your point is completely valid and would be the likely scenario, but for the sake of argument let's say MSU ended up the highest ranking of the three of us and found their way back into the playoff.
August 15th, 2016 at 7:44 AM ^
And...????
August 14th, 2016 at 7:43 PM ^
August 14th, 2016 at 10:24 PM ^
that lost the CCG game would go to the Rose Bowl is far fetched. Only Pudue and Minny avoid OSU, MSU and us. Everyone else would have had more losses and fewer good wins. (Of course Purdue and Minny will too.)
August 14th, 2016 at 11:53 PM ^
What if we beat both rivals and lose to Iowa?
August 15th, 2016 at 8:38 AM ^
In that scenario we would win the tie breaker.
But that would also mean that one of OSU and MSU would have two losses due to us beating both of them and they also have their own head to head matchup. That would invoke the first division tie breaker of head to head result and we would have the win.
August 15th, 2016 at 10:01 AM ^
Iowa is not as good as most people on this blog and otherwise think.
August 14th, 2016 at 7:44 PM ^
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August 14th, 2016 at 7:49 PM ^
Worst case scenario would be in this case if a multiple loss West team beat the 1 loss East champ. B1G would probably be left out of the playoffs and some of these teams would drop even further down in the pecking order. With that said, Michigan generally comes out of these situations with the best possible invite when it comes to bowls. If we have a great season but fall short of the playoffs, there are a bunch of elite bowls that we haven't been to in awhile, but I haven't read all of their new selection rules, so I'm not sure which are possibilities for B1G teams (Fiesta, Peach, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, etc. Whichever aren't hosting playoffs)
August 14th, 2016 at 7:53 PM ^
With the start of the College Football Playoff the B1G renegotiated their bowl tie-ins. The Bowl tie-ins we have now are in order
1. Playoff
2. Rose Bowl (if not in playoff)
3. Orange Bowl (if not in playoff)
4. Citrus Bowl
5. Outback Bowl
The Cotton and Sugar are no longer available like they were in the BCS.
August 14th, 2016 at 8:17 PM ^
Thanks. It seems Fiesta or Peach could select a B1G at-large some years as well, like OSU last year to Fiesta. Peach might be less likely, with their pretty long tradition of ACC/SEC.
August 14th, 2016 at 7:47 PM ^
We don't have to worry about this scenario this year bc we will beat them both I don't really care. Let those peasants decide what they're going to do with their season.
August 14th, 2016 at 7:56 PM ^
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August 14th, 2016 at 8:02 PM ^
Very close to having a three way tie last year if that one play worked out...Let's take one game at a time and that game is Hawaii.
August 14th, 2016 at 8:54 PM ^
would win the tiebreaker and get to go to the B1G Championship game.
August 14th, 2016 at 8:16 PM ^
1. Our out-of-conference schedule is trash
MSU plays ND and BYU
OSU plays Oklahoma
We play nobody. So our SOS should be the worst of the three
2. As always, it matters when you lose. Losing to MSU early and beating OSU late (with OSU beating MSU the 2nd-to-last week of the season) would be the best scenario with a 11-1 record.
August 14th, 2016 at 9:50 PM ^
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August 14th, 2016 at 8:43 PM ^
1) B1G record
2) B1G East record
3) Overall record
4) other tie breakers
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August 14th, 2016 at 9:00 PM ^
If two are tied it's head to head.
For three:
1. Records against each other
2. Division Records
3. Record of comparable teams in division
4. Record against common opponents
5. Playoff Rankings
August 14th, 2016 at 9:27 PM ^
Who wins east if we are 10-2 with losses against Wisconsin and Iowa but OSU is 11-1 with a loss agains us. I assume Big 10 record trumps Big East record so OSU represents the East. However, if our 2 losses were Colorado and UCF, we represent the East. Is that correct?
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August 14th, 2016 at 9:47 PM ^
The way the B1G tie breakers are written it looks the same. OSU with a better record would win the division even though we would have less division losses in scenario 1 in scenario 2 we would win.
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August 14th, 2016 at 9:19 PM ^
That's so dumb -- why wouldn't use a non-objective criteria, like points difference?
August 14th, 2016 at 10:01 PM ^
August 14th, 2016 at 10:14 PM ^
This is for 2023 with John Smith starting at Guard.
August 14th, 2016 at 10:22 PM ^
August 14th, 2016 at 10:22 PM ^
I want a Big Ten title. I grew up during the Carr years and the expectation was always Big Ten title. If our rivals beat us out for bigger glory again I would not be happy, and I think Michigan fans are tired of playing second fiddle to those jackwagons.
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August 15th, 2016 at 10:31 AM ^
I agree. But what about this scenario:
9-3 Iowa barely beats 11-1 MSU in Conference Champ.
11-1 OSU/11-1 UM are idle after losing tiebreakers.
Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Stanford all finish as conference Champs with 1 or fewer losses.
Iowa to Rose Bowl. Then what? I think MSU is out of the NY6 picture, but they won the East.
I think our current storyline gets us in the top bowl every time, but who knows. In this scenario OSU would have a win over OU and MSU over ND.
The 4 non playoff bowls:
Sugar: B12 v SEC
Orange: ACC v B1G/SEC/ND
Cotton: At-large v At-large
Rose: B1G v PAC
...The Orange Bowl will be extremely competitive to fill that other spot, so that only leaves 2 open spots in the Cotton. One of those spots, I believe, has to go to the highest ranked Group of 5 school. So, based on my calculations, this leaves only 1 true at-large spot this coming season, plus the flexible spot in the Orange bowl.