Can Coach Beilein Survive Another Season Like This?

Submitted by MGoVoldemort on
First, I want to preface this by saying there isn't a man coaching any sport in collegiate athletics that I hold in higher regard than Coach Beilein. My son has attended basketball camps in which Coach has been present, and the way he works with the kids, and the way in which he carries himself impressed me immensely. He's everything still good and pure about college basketball. That being said, I have to ask the following question: with UM's resources and built in advantages, do you think Coach Beilein can survive another season in which the team misses the NCAA tournament? Here's hoping that discussion never has to happen next year.

Danwillhor

March 6th, 2016 at 10:41 AM ^

unless an absolute home run hire is willing to come he's fine and even then I'm not sure we'd let him go. Our next hire needs to be the one that has us in the top-25 every year. Michigan produces too much talent and UM has too many resources to be anything less.

MC5-95

March 6th, 2016 at 10:43 AM ^

Last time I checked this season isn't over. I will reserve judgment until it is. If we get into the NCAA tourney without having Caris for most of the season, I personally think it will have been a successful year for JB. And if we go NIT then I'd like to see a run there. Everyone needs to step back from the edge here.



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turd ferguson

March 6th, 2016 at 10:46 AM ^

If next year is rough, I think fan support starts to collapse unless we get an elite recruit or two committed.  Attitudes would be very different right now if Battle and Langford were signed for next year.  We'd be hearing a lot more, "Can't do much with Caris and Spike out, but next season will be fun."  

Beilein has been really close to landing a lot of top guys over the past few recruiting cycles, but for the sake of fan perception, he really needs to land some of them now.  And I hope he does, because I love the guy.

We are back

March 6th, 2016 at 10:45 AM ^

I'm a JB fan all the way and do not think he should be fired.

Serious question. Who could be possible replacements? In today's college basketball world it seems like the only way to get recruits it's by getting your hands dirty with AAU/high school coaches, that being said is anyone recruiting at a top level and doing it with integrity?



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bacon

March 7th, 2016 at 6:19 AM ^

Two coaches ago we fired Brian Ellerbe and went after Rick Pitino. He was 5 years off of being a national championship winning coach and was by far the best option. He backed out of the Michigan job because he thought Louisville was better. Bo famously commented that Michigan was a football school, not a basketball school and at the time, pitino's choice of Louisville over Michigan in some ways reflected that he wanted to be the guy at a school where basketball was the top dog. I think more than any other sports, basketball coaches want to be the top dog at the school. When Pitino turned us down, we hired Amaker.

samdrussBLUE

March 6th, 2016 at 10:47 AM ^

Yes. We still have a chance to get in this year. We lost our two best players (one of which the on court vocal leader/presence) for basically the entire year. If we miss, we are going to just miss. We won 64% of our games this year.

Do I enjoy us finishing in the bottom half of the conference and losing all but one big time game this year? No. Do I enjoy missing the tourney? No. But to suggest that Beilein would be fired after next season if we win 20 games again is completely asinine, IMO. Finally, you do realize next year is going to be a struggle (more than this year). We basically are relying on the same exact thing we had to much of this year (and I think Walton and Irvin are at their ceilings).



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Rodriguesqe

March 6th, 2016 at 10:48 AM ^

I thought we were a top 10 team going into this season. Losing Caris and Spike hurts, but its not like last year where we had a skeleton crew and it was a miracle we stayed on the bubble for most of the season.

This year we have guys he wanted available to take Caris and Spike's roles.

I have way too much respect for the guy to be calling for his head but this season has really dimmed my enthusiasm for our future under coach B. 

Good thing we have Harbaugh.

A Lot of Milk

March 6th, 2016 at 11:42 AM ^

This is the problem with the fanbase now: football-level expectations for basketball. Why in the hell did you expect us to be a top ten team? All we added was Mo and we lost Spike and Bielfeldt, of course we were going to be the same as we were last year. Harbaugh doesn't coach every sport, people (though he probably could). Adjust your expectations accordingly.

Rodriguesqe

March 6th, 2016 at 11:52 AM ^

I saw the growth of Dawkins, Irvin, and Rawk last season. I've been expecting Derrick Walton to blow up for 2 years. I completely bought into the hype of Duncan Robinson. I thought Doyle was going to have a big year and their was enough bodies behind him that center would at least be passable while around it would be A+. I thought we'd finally have depth and upperclassmen.

My opinion of Coach B was pretty high the last 5 years or so. I thought he was a top 5 coach and maybe the best in game coach in the game. Could't make that argument this season, obviously.

snarling wolverine

March 6th, 2016 at 12:10 PM ^

I don't like this argument.  Michigan has everything in place to be a strong basketball program, and indeed we were one from 2011-14.  We can't blame facilities or sanctions, and we've been successful very recently (we've raised banners during the careers of our upperclassmen).  If we're now at a point where we're lowering expectations back to where they were at the beginning of Beilein's tenure, something is wrong.  

I'm hoping that these past two years turn out to be outliers due to the injury toll but I don't know.  I felt more optimistic a year ago, when it felt like the team was getting better game by game but was just outmanned.  

 

 

Braylon_Edward…

March 6th, 2016 at 10:48 AM ^

Let's just wait and see what happens when he doesn't lose a guy who was a fringe lottery guy preseason (still a first rounder now) and arguably our second most important player in Spike. Two veterans forced into leading from the bench. Obviously he needs to recruit better big men and something needs to be done with our defensive philosophy, but making the NCAA tournament would have been one of the best coaching jobs in the country with everything this team has dealt with.

snarling wolverine

March 6th, 2016 at 12:05 PM ^

I like Spike, but no one was calling him the second-most important player on the team before he was lost to injury.  People were actually questioning whether he'd fit in the rotation at all.

Yes, we would be better with those two in the lineup.  But they were around when we got embarrassed by Xavier, UConn and SMU.  Their loss doesn't explain everything.

 

Gulogulo37

March 7th, 2016 at 2:49 AM ^

I don't recall anyone questioning how Spike would fit in the rotation. The guy was a senior and has played major minutes every year. Then he's gonna ride pine for his senior year? Come on. He's probably our 3rd-best player behind Levert and Irvin. And Spike was not around during those losses. I can't recall if he played in them because I wasn't able to watch, but even if he did, the guy was nowhere even close to his abilities with 2 bum hips.

Anonymous Coward (not verified)

March 6th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^

is next season.  Back to back poor seasons and unfortunately he would be gone.

yoyo

March 6th, 2016 at 10:55 AM ^

I'm shocked at the constant complaining about JB. Is everyone on this board less than 20 years old or did they just start watching bball 5 years ago? We sucked under Amaker and got pulverized by every good team. We now contend for the big ten almost every year despite significant injuries and even for a national title twice. The answer is yes. JB should be allowed to retire when he wants to.

snarling wolverine

March 6th, 2016 at 12:14 PM ^

It was Beilein.  Let's not suddenly deny him all credit.

Amaker never reached the tournament and left behind a terrible team in Beilein's first season.  From 10-22 in 2008, Beilein took us to the national title game in 2013 and outright Big Ten title in 2014.  Up to then he was having an amazing tenure.  

The problem is that he hasn't kept it up and it's not clear that he can get us back to that level, especially since he isn't a great recruiter.  He's older and possibly not far from retirement, and maybe he's losing some of the fire he used to have (witness our regular slow starts to games).

 

The Barwis Effect

March 6th, 2016 at 12:55 PM ^

Again. Far from crippling. Amaker took over a team that was 37-51 in its three previous seasons and made them consistent 20 game winners.  Amaker did the heavy lifting.  Beilein was supposed to take us to the next level, and for awhile, it looked like he did.  Now, it seems we are right back at the same level Amaker got us to after the Ellerbe era.




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jmblue

March 6th, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^

As I said, he was mediocre.  Ellerbe was downright bad.  

The hiring of Ellerbe - who had been fired by Loyola of Maryland after posting a losing record there - was one of the dumbest moves ever made by a Power 5 school.   

Amaker stopped recruiting guys who beat their classmates with belts and/or were so bad in the classroom they flunked out.  The mere fact of having a team not entirely composed of loathsome characters* allowed us to regress closer to the mean, though we still weren't good enough to make the tournament.

 

*Plus LaVell Blanchard and Chris Young, two guys who absolutely deserved better than the crap program they had to play for.

 

snarling wolverine

March 6th, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^

Hey, I'm as upset with the current state of the program as anyone.  But it's pretty irrational to attribute the turnaround to Amaker, a guy who had a losing conference record and never made the field of 64.  

Amaker was good at beating up non-conference cupcakes, and winning in the NIT (10-2 record here), but not so much at winning against quality teams when it counted.

Beilein's done a good job for the bulk of his tenure.  However, he doesn't seem to be doing as good a job now.  The two are not contradictory positions.