The negativity about Coach Harbaugh is irrational.

Submitted by Mineral King on December 30th, 2018 at 8:27 PM

Here me out.... Through his first 4 years Harbaugh is 38-14. Saban was barely better than that at Lsu and Bama after his first 4 years. Harbaugh has a better record than B Kelly, Dabo and Dantonio did at the sane time. Being pissed is normal and ok, but it doesn’t mean we should want a new coach. Players have to be faster, stronger and more aggressive... all there is to it. Wake up people... it’s coming... this thing is going to be rolling. Cheer up, a new year is upon us. 

PS - Be careful what you wish for. 

MIGHTYMOJO91

December 31st, 2018 at 5:21 AM ^

Maybe you just need to shut up dude. You know the old saying....sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot than to open it and prove everyone right.

Well I think you have proven everyone right in this case newbie.

SteveInSD

December 30th, 2018 at 9:32 PM ^

Agree.  It was a very good season.  We are in good shape to have plenty more good seasons.  I am no big fan of Harbaugh as a person, but have to acknowledge that he is a great coach.  He has made adjustments as necessary, and I would certainly prefer to see a more dynamic offense, but the sky is not falling in.

UMProud

December 30th, 2018 at 8:32 PM ^

Negativity is not irrational...the last 2 games looked like a fuckin clown show.   Losses can happen but looking like we were completely unprepared multiple times is bullshit.

xtramelanin

December 30th, 2018 at 8:57 PM ^

thats a whole lot easier to accomplish when you have not the slightest hang up about things like ethics, morals, or 'playing skool'.  

JH is an excellent coach.  remember JH is the true and wonderful ethical twin brother of beilein.  bask in integrity and your patience will grow. 

You Only Live Twice

December 30th, 2018 at 9:56 PM ^

So stop being a Michigan fan JPC.  You have that right.  Go root for OSU.

BTW they looked like overexposed, under-prepared, ineffective hot garbage when they played Clemson.  Humiliated on a national stage.

Coldwater

December 30th, 2018 at 8:34 PM ^

No one realistically wants Harbaugh fired.   It’s preposterous to think that will happen. But my God, he has to do better developing and evolving his offense, recruiting more speed, and stop gagging in big games.   He was a legendary player at Michigan, but so far as the head coach he’s no better than Lloyd Carr.   Nothing special, he’s not a savior.   

I want wins over Ohio state, and national championships more than I want pictures of players in front of the Eiffel Tower.  

 

DairyQueen

December 30th, 2018 at 8:48 PM ^

"Clemson-ing"

As irrational and shot-in-the-dark as it may be, I hope that's what we're doing right now.

Clemson had boat-loads of talent, and never "won the big one", they always seemed to get beat right when they were on the precipice of it all. They could never win it, and then, all of a sudden, they did.

And now look at where they are.

My last stitch of hope is that that is what Michigan is doing right now.

That this is the last hump that we have to get over.

chunkums

December 30th, 2018 at 11:13 PM ^

I'm glad you brought this up. I just looked up Clemson's records starting in 2011, which is when Swinney started winning 10+ games. They spent much of this time getting annihilated by their in-state rival. 

2011: 10-4 - 14 point loss to Georgia Tech, 24 point loss to NC State, 21 point loss to South Carolina (rival), 37 point loss to West Virginia (Bowl)

2012: 11-2 - 12 point loss to Florida State, 12 point loss to South Carolina (rival)

2013: 11-2 - 37 point loss to Florida State, 14 point loss to South Carolina (rival)

2014: 10-3 - 24 point loss to Georgia, 6 point loss to Florida State, 22 point loss to Georgia Tech  

UMxWolverines

December 30th, 2018 at 11:44 PM ^

Clemson is also not a blue blood program that hadn't won an ACC title since the early 90s when Dabo took over. He didn't walk into near the NFL talent that Harbaugh had and wasn't recruiting near where Harbaugh has for his first few years because he was an unknown wide receiver coach, not one of the most well known football coaches on earth. Yet his results were similar. 

Realus

December 31st, 2018 at 12:51 AM ^

You said Clemson was a program that hadn't won a conference title in over a decade?  Hmmm.  Who does that sound like?

And, as we have seen, doing well in a weaker conference doesn't translate to the B1G (exhibit A, Rich Rod).  Like it or not, the SEC is the best conference, followed by, in nor particular order, the B1G, PAC 12, and Big 12.  I mean which CONFERENCE is clearly better than the B1G?  Just the SEC.  Take away Clemson and the ACC may not be much better than the MAC or the AAC or the Mountain West.

So, the results aren't really similar at all.

SeattleWolverine

December 30th, 2018 at 8:59 PM ^

Yeah, national championships are rare and too random to be a good metric. Plus, until Alabama's recruiting is curtailed or the NCAA takes action or schools start paying players above the board it will be very hard to compete with them. On the other hand, conference championships, CFP appearances, the record vs OSU, and the bowl game record is the part where improvement can reasonably be hoped for. 

Ger Sauden

December 30th, 2018 at 9:12 PM ^

You also have to take into account, Nick Saban coached in college football 26 years before he won a National Championship at LSU. He's been coaching at the college level for 39 years now.

 

Jim Harbaugh has coached at the college level for 11 years. He's WAAAAAAAY ahead of where Nick Saban was at the same point in his career.

Realus

December 31st, 2018 at 1:00 AM ^

Really?  Yes, I think we can.

And I don't it's the tactics, it's the attitude.  Harbaugh, for some irrational reason, doesn't believe that trying to score the most points with your offense is good unless it's done a certain way.

So, instead of trying to score the most points, Harbaugh thinks that it's better to focus on proxies:  success at running the ball up the middle, offensive time of possession, minimizing interceptions, defending the run.

Certainly these proxies are relevant to winning.  But the attitude, the focus, must be to score in ANY WAY possible.  Focusing on proxies takes reduces an offenses ability to score points.

M-Dog

December 31st, 2018 at 11:28 AM ^

Yeah, I don't get all the Lloyd bashing.  We'd kill for Lloyd's record:

- National Championship

- 5 Big Ten Championships

- 6 wins over Ohio State

- Rose Bowl win

- Orange Bowl win over Alabama

- Hesiman trophy winner

- Five Top 5 recruiting classes, including the #1 recruiting class in 1998.

That's a better record than just about every Michigan coach but Yost or Crisler.