Does Urb leaving hurt their recruiting?
Or is OSU such a well oiled machine, it won't miss a beat? Here is their current commit list
https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
December 4th, 2018 at 9:53 AM ^
Absolutely. Urban is probably the best direct recruiter of any head coach. Saban is the best organizer/manager of a recruiting system, but a Urban is fantastic at closing with the recruits that he personally targets.
So expect OSU to go from A+ to A or A- and still beat or match UM on the recruiting trail.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^
Is Urban the recruiting magic? Day wouldn't be on staff if he wasn't a top notch recruiter. A few weeks ago I heard Sam Webb saying that Greg Mattison recruited Tebow for Meyer.
December 4th, 2018 at 9:53 AM ^
I think Urban leaving HELPS them recruit, unfortunately.
Urban was a snake and some parents, particularly moms, may have been uncomfortable sending their sons to play for someone who covered up criminal and unsavory activity by his players and coaches alike.
Meanwhile, OSU put a better product on the field when Day was coaching the team.
I'm happy Urbs is gone, but sad that I believe they are replacing him with potentially an upgrade. Fuck everyone in scarlet and grey.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:01 AM ^
Urban was arguably one of the top 3 or 4 recruiters & coaches of all time. There is no way in hell the program is better off without him. Yes he was a scumbag but it didn't keep him from recruiting better than any other team in the nation besides Alabama.
I love that some people actually think one of the GOAT coaches can be replaced by a quarterbacks coach and the program will do as well or better. LMAO!
December 4th, 2018 at 5:27 PM ^
Um, Day beat a 2 win team, Rutgers, and the powerhouse of that schedule, a 6-6 TCU. I could have done that if I was named OSU's interim coach.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:02 AM ^
The level that Urban kept OSU at since he was hired will place a tremendous amount of pressure on Day going forward. Since the OSU fan base is as critical as ours when we beat them next year they will be calling Day “Fickell II”” and that will reduce their recruiting ranking.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
If we beat them.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:02 PM ^
That's a big IF
December 4th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
There is a big difference between being an oc or dc to becoming a head coach and in charge of everything. There have been several instances of failure once elevated to head coach. Can anybody say Charlie Weiss.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:46 AM ^
Ryan Day was the head coach for the first 1/4 of the season.
Arguably when OSU looked best this year.
December 4th, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^
He was the gameday head coach for the first 1/4 of the season. Urban was reinstated after the first game, but was suspended for the games.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:08 AM ^
I am sure Schiano and Wilson - both former HC's - love being passed over by someone with less experience and frankly less success. I am guessing this is a good time for Larry Johnson to retire.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:17 AM ^
OSU player contracts guarantee a 5K bonus and 10% salary increase in case of coaching change. So most will look at this as a positive.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:18 AM ^
I don't think people realize that many years the difference between the #2 ranked class and the #10 rated class is the same as the difference between the #10 rated class and the #40 rated class. It's really top heavy in recruiting. There were classes recently where Urban and Saban each pulled 13+ top 100 players where we pulled 1 or 2 top 100 players.
Urban leaving is great for us, bad for the Big Ten conference though.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:30 AM ^
Counter argument: Anything that is good for Michigan is by definition good the the Big Ten, and indeed good for the entire world.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^
I never understood how OH and PA produce so much more talented High School football players than MI. MI is a blue collar state, you would think with nearly 10 M population we would turn out as much talent as OH, even though OH has a few more million in population. It seem like Michigan was way ahead of other states with the game of football in the 19th century and that should have lead to our high schools developing great football programs and talent through the 20th century.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:03 AM ^
State of Michigan Recreation:
Basketball, baseball, hockey, swimming, soccer, golf, tennis, sailing, boating, skiing, curling, snowmobiling, hunting.......o and we like some football too.
Ohio:
Football ........
basketball for the fragile, baseball?( I mean how many Ohioans do you trust holding bats?) ...uhh?
December 4th, 2018 at 12:00 PM ^
Only Joey Velazquez.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:08 AM ^
Michigan as a whole has pretty piss poor youth football as far as development is concerned. In many instances Michigan players are introduced to the game later, start tackling later, and the coaching quality is subpar.
Youth football as a whole in Michigan just doesn’t seem to be as well organized as in other states.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^
Yet another way OSU is more like the SEC teams. High school football is not a statewide religion in Michigan.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
People calling OSU's 2019 class "mediocre" are fooling themselves. The reason it's ranked as low as it is on 247 is due to its size, which currently is 15 commits.
In terms of average star rating per recruit, OSU is 3rd in the country, behind only Alabama and Georgia.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:04 AM ^
I would call it "stalled" but now that the coach is in place we'll see how strong they close.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:21 PM ^
Uh, sorry to say this but ... size matters
December 4th, 2018 at 10:37 AM ^
It has to hurt as none of the other coaches are at the same level of his ability to recruit. jmo
December 4th, 2018 at 10:40 AM ^
I see people talking about underestimating OSU. I don’t think that it is the problem. I think the problem is that we tend to overestimate Michigan.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:45 AM ^
Probably, yet to be seen how good of a recruiter Ryan Day is
December 4th, 2018 at 10:53 AM ^
Of course it does, already has this fall.
Now add the fact that they have been fumbling in the state of Ohio since the Danny Clark situation to the loss of the national cache of "Urban Meyer", they will definitely come down from the heights they have occupied the last 2-3 years.
And depending on how long the Ohio kids hold a grudge it could get real low, but they seem to always rally for OSU eventually.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:11 AM ^
How has it hurt them? They’re 3rd nationally in avg rank per recruit. Just because it’s a small class doesn’t mean it’s not elite
December 4th, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^
They are stalled at 12 and have a lot to make up in a short amount of time.
However, even if they can make a lot of that up, the fact they have had to be obtuse about the head coach while on the trail the last few months no doubt hurt them.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^
It won't help but I doubt it hurts a ton.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:04 AM ^
I mean...probably. But it'll drop from like an A to an A-. Its Ohio State. They are well stocked with talent, churn out pros regardless of coaching staffs, and they are set up for long term success. Its not like recruits are suddenly NOT going to want to go there.
Hell...if they dump Schiano and replace him and some of their other defensive coaches with people that actually know what they are doing, there's a chance they get even better. Day is a hell of an offensive coach, so its not like they are going to slip there.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:05 AM ^
OSU with Ryan Day has three losses next year and four the following year. ...and then he's fired.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:09 PM ^
Lets hope... but don't forget, he just outsmarted Harbaugh and Brown, when Harbaugh could least afford it... that is saying something...
December 4th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^
Next year he'll have Martell instead of Haskins.
We'll see if hes still so smart.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:10 AM ^
For now, I don’t think so. Not in a big way anyway. Day is not going to go away from what’s worked and the foundation Meyer put in place. There may be a kid or two that decommits, but I doubt it’ll have an enormous impact this year. Emphasis on THIS year.
If they don’t play well next year, lose a couple of games, or even lose to Michigan, then yeah, the wheels of that machine will start falling off. But until then, probably business as usual for the most part.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:11 AM ^
Who is ready for them to have a Fickell style down year and then bring in Tom Herman? Just so the damn trend can continue of falling backwards into great coaches.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:12 PM ^
yeah, as if that happens... you realize Day just pulled wool over Harbaugh's eyes? Think about it, harbaugh HAD to win this game.... and it was a throttling to which we had no answer. Evident that Brown didn't even consider their gameplan... that says alot.
The only hope here is that his OC is a cog, and they lose, and the momentum starts... but I would not bet against Day... shit, he would be a candidate for our job, in an ideal world.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:24 PM ^
The team knew before The Game that Urban was leaving. That is almost certainly the big difference. OSU may have won, but not that the way they did.
December 4th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
Are you a fucking Buckeye fan or something? He absolutely would not be a candidate for our job, he has proven literally nothing. To try to paint this as a homerun is hilarious.
December 4th, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^
Lol that would be so OSU. I no longer fear Herman going there though, he has to have a bad taste from the Smith scandal and getting dragged into it himself. Plus UT is about the biggest draw for a coach there is, and he’s been in Texas a while now.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:12 AM ^
The Question with all three recruiting powerhouses Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State is what happens after the big man leaves? Many assume that as long as they hire an idiot that nothing will change. However, coaches really do make a difference or Miami and Tennessee would still be dominant teams. Why isn't Texas a dominant team now it certainly meets all the preconditions.
This current era has lasted so long it seems permanent. None of the other eras of college football have lasted. This will pass too.
Also I am sure Day is a decent coach. However, Ohio State could have gotten almost anybody for that job. If you were hiring for one of the best jobs in College Football would you really pick Day? When Alabama picked Saban the guy had already distinguished himself both at Michigan State and LSU as an exceptional HC. What has Day done? He is unproven.
Unless Ohio State gets very lucky again, their Meyer era and all that implies is coming to a close
December 4th, 2018 at 1:27 PM ^
Quietly thinking the same thing, an underwhelming hire. Trying to keep the stench of the Meyer era around I’m guessing, plus a lack of big time names available.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^
Yeah, this is basically betting everything you have on red on the roulette wheel. Sure, it could come up red, 50-50, but if you do double your money that doesn't make you a genius.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^
It WILL help them move up from 12th this year, but it's possible UM actually has a higher ranking this year.
It will definitely hurt them in the following years unless Day has zero or one loss in the B1G next year.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:39 PM ^
It should. The new coach is a huge question mark. There is very little evidence that he can be successful as a full-time head coach nor is there reason to believe that he won't bolt to the NFL as soon as he finds success.
If you're a new recruit for OSU, you're future is looking like you're either going to lose a lot or have one good season and lose your coach.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:42 PM ^
Maybe a bit this year, but they are a well oiled machine that seems impervious to coaching turmoil, scandals, etc.
December 4th, 2018 at 1:13 PM ^
don't think so. OSU will still recruit at the highest level no matter who's coaching there
December 4th, 2018 at 1:22 PM ^
OSU will always average top 10 recruiting, but they have dominated us with Meyer. OSU under Tressel may have recruited better than us, but not by a whole lot.
December 4th, 2018 at 1:14 PM ^
I mean, it can't help it. Players committed to the guy who's won a billion games and pumps out pros. He's not there any more, so they may be more inclined to look around some.
December 4th, 2018 at 1:19 PM ^
I know I put my crystal ball somewhere, but for the life of me I can’t find it. Experience suggests that OSU is a superb program where top talent gets plugged into the machine year after year.
Going beyond that is pure speculation.