Brian Lewerke
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Fee Fi Foe Film: Michigan State Offense 2018 Comment Count

Seth October 18th, 2018 at 10:00 AM

Resources: My charting, MSU game notes, MSU roster, Bill C profile, CFBstats

DISRESPEKT is earned. Anyone can become a scrappy, well-coached, ball-control program that wins a few big games despite never showing much in the way of draft picks and fancystats. But the more you win, the more that disrespect erodes. It takes an extraordinary program to reach true DISRESPEKT, to both keep winning AND continue to prove, day in and day out, that you objectively shouldn't.

Sending a string of quarterbacks to the NFL, returning 10 starters, getting some Heisman chatter, having a top-10 class reach drinking age, blocking someone: these are all acts that will undermine the foundations of a good DISRESPEKT, catapulting your Bill C numbers into playoff contention, making pundits believe for reasons they don't quite understand, and convincing Vegas to put the dreaded minus sign after your name. DISRESPEKT requires a true commitment to playing hurt and underrecruited backups, taking behavioral penalties, pulling statistical improbabilities out of your ass, then going online to make fun of all the losers and their math.

This Michigan State offense has reached peak DISRESPEKT. The top-250 RB who "skipped the NFL" is voluntarily on the bench. Lewerke's Heisman campaign barely merits all-Big Ten honorable mention. All but one of their burly receivers are injured. The offensive lineman most expected to be good is the least likely to play. Their biggest gainers are trick plays, and their best actual play is throwing a too-short fade into perfect coverage.

They're #75 to Bill Connelly, brutal to watch, and perfectly formed for the narratives of people who hate smart. They just knocked off #6 Penn State on the road. My brain says Michigan's #1 S&P+ defense can go into that cold, wet slab of concrete and whup these guys. History is clear they'll find a way to get just enough. I'm terrified.

The film: MSU-PSU was a classic upset. State collected all four of their fumbles plus Penn State's, Penn State defenders dropped all four of Lewerke passes they jumped, and while they did intercept one of their 12(!) additional one-handed passes defensed, Spartan receivers caught four of them. MSU's longest play from scrimmage was a fake punt, and their four touchdowns were off an RB pass, a fake field goal, and two dead drives extended by unnecessary defensive penalties. The national takeaway was why didn't they save this game for Michigan. I also charted the offense vs. Indiana, whose defense is conceptually a lot more like ours. That game too featured a lot of luck, but also Cody White.

Personnel: My diagram:

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Putting aside the offensive line situation, MSU's skill position personnel is dealing with a lot of their own injuries. RB L.J. Scott has a recurring ankle issue and Dantonio said last week that it'll be up to Scott, who's been dressing, when he plays again. I'm guessing that will be Michigan, but he's been a progressively paler shadow of the dynamo freshman we saw in 2015. In fact I think he's been fully passed by sophomore RB Connor Heyward, a thick north-south type, if not also by the slightly more agile but still tank-like RB La'Darious Jefferson. All three are under 4 YPC this season, but again, the OL is after the jump.

Talent at receiver this year was a deep pool until somebody went grenade fishing in it. Jumbo slot WR Darrell Stewart is expected back for the first time since an (ankle?) injury against IU, and WR Cody White, the Tarik Black to Felton's DPJ, broke his wrist against CMU and is probably still out for this one. Add to the list freshman WR Jalen Nailor, who hasn't dressed the last few weeks, last year's top backup WR Cam Chambers, who's got 137 yards this year on just 8 targets but has been playing with a cast on his hand, and a backup slot Andre Welch. By the the PSU game regular outside options had been whittled down to just star split end Felton Davis, a Braylonesque threat we'll get into at the Dangerman section, and flanker Brandon Sowards, a skinny 5th year senior who wasn't used until this year except as a backup punt returner. In Stewart's absence smurfy slot Laress Nelson was highly productive, gathering 5 receptions on as many targets for 12 YPT, most of those seams.

In hefty skill position guys, tight end is a rotation after they failed to get much of a senior year bump out of returning starter TE Matt Sokol, who's been less a part of the offense of late. Backup TE Matt Dotson, a true sophomore, is basically a flex receiver. He's big enough to get away with some big guy OPI and shrug off little guy OPI, but not much of a blocker yet at this stage. There's also "TE" Chase Gianacakos, an offensive tackle-sized big boy who moved from guard and is purely in there to road grade. Standard blocky FB Collin Lucas has been dealing with an injury as well but I'm sure they've got a play designed for him in this game.

And then there's QB Brian "I Like the Way" Lewerke, whose legs were the engine of last year's MSU's offense, and whose star is hanging on right now only out of respect for his prior season. He'll have his own section too, after…

[THE JUMP]

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So: that offensive line. I've never cyan'd an entire front before, and I wouldn't have if I didn't watch two games to make sure. The fancystats are unkind: 118th in rushing marginal efficiency, 95th in opportunity rate, 112th in Havoc rate allowed, 87th in OL yards. They have good reason: the projected starters average 3 years in the program and under 300 pounds. Injuries and a lack of elders are unkind to OL, and the lack of stability this year has been acute. Only one position has had the same guy start all six games:

Game Left Tackle Left Guard Center Right Guard Right Tackle
Utah St Campbell Beedle Higby Jarvis Reid
Ariz St Chewins Beedle Higby Jarvis Reid
Indiana Higby Campbell Allen Jarvis Reid
CMU Higby Beedle Allen Campbell Reid
N'western Higby Beedle Allen Bueter Reid
PSU Chewins Higby Allen Bueter Reid

The one guy we thought would be good this year is G David Beedle, but he's expected to be out for about three more weeks. Losing him against Northwestern was the chair to the back of the neck for a unit taking body blows all season. C Matt Allen is one of those Allens, but hasn't played like those Allens—he was +2/-7 in my two games of charting, and all of those minuses were pass events where he let a DT right at Lewerke.

The third original interior guy, G Tyler Higby, is the opposite—he's 285 and looks more like 250 when he's getting ragdolled in run blocking, but he's also the only guy on this line who seems to have an idea where he's supposed to be. That's impressive considering he's played every position on the line except RT this year, but not that useful given everything around him. Beedle's absence draws back either G Kevin Jarvis, a big, immobile, square dude in the Alex Mitchell mold, or if Jarvis's ankle can't hold up, freshman G Blake Bueter, who should not be on the field.

The tackles remain badly undersized, and are struggling because of it. The 6'8" LT Cole Chewins is now up to an almost plausible 290 but he's been playing with a troublesome leg injury that saw him in and out of the non-conference season, and not nearly himself in his PSU return. They're stuck with true sophomore RT Jordan Reid, who still looks more like a tight end, because the alternative is last year's horrific starter, Luke Campbell. Campbell converted to guard, likely after a quarterback revolt, and Higby will go outside before they subject their quarterbacks to Campbell's blocking again, but if you count the non-red names in bold above you can see how frighteningly close this guy is to being back on the field.

Spread, Pro-Style, or Hybrid? They're a hybrid, alternating mostly between a shotgun 3-wide and a two-wide Ace formation that they like to convert to a jetbone with both TEs and a WR tight to one side. TE motion is a usual thing. They went unbalanced four times each game, and the Pistol stuff was all from PSU (they were 71% gun against Indiana).

Formations (MSU vs IU + PSU)   Personnel   Playcall
Down Gun Pistol Ace/Bone I-Form   Avg WRs   Pass PA RPO Run
1st 38 3 15 9   2.43   25 4 3 34
2nd 37 2 5 5   2.62   25 6 4 15
3rd/4th 33 - 1 -   2.92   29 - - 8
Total 73% 3% 14% 9%   2.61   52% 7% 5% 37%

Basketball on Grass or MANBALL? They're Manball with more zone than they'd prefer. I think they would like to be a base power team but they're forced to be a QB's legs offense with Lewerke and that OL situation, so the result ends up accidentally Borgesian. That's not to say they just throw whatever at the wall and work under a mandate. They're better at power when they can do that. What they can't do at all is run outside, however, and they get in so many long 2nd downs that a consistent 4 yards isn't very worthwhile anymore. So they have packages:

  • Power Package (17 plays): 9 powers, 5 pitch sweeps, 2 counter treys and a trap
  • Zone Read Package (16 plays): 8 zone reads, 4 split zones, 4 inverted veers
  • RPO/IZ Package (15 plays): 7 inside zones, 3 lead zones, RPOs are either bubble or fake bubble slant paired with IZ
  • QB Run Game (9 plays): 6 speed options, 3 QB lead zones
  • Jet Package (7 plays): 5 jet sweeps, 1 fake then IZ, 1 that converted into an inverted veer

Removing a 75-yard jet sweep in clock kill time, the QB run game was the only effective part at 4.7 YPC. Power got 3.9 YPC, zone reads 3.6, and the rest were around 2 YPC.

Hurry it up or grind it out? Grind it out to the max. They're 123rd (out of 130) in adjusted pace, and feel even slower than that due to all the incompletes. They huddle. Once in awhile they'll hurry to the line but they're still so young that this isn't a good use of practice time.

Quarterback Dilithium Level (Scale: 1 [Navarre] to 10 [Denard]): He is an 8, but the scary thing about him is when he first starts moving he runs like a 5 or a 6 and you think you've got him. You don't got him.

This was such a surprise last year that Lewerke runs were averaging close to 9 YPC by the time Michigan faced him. This year it's much more of a focal point for the offense, and thus for defenses, but everyone has that moment where they forget the blond kid needs to be kept inside the tackles at all costs.

Zook Factor: Despite a dodgy offense and a defense that loves a good goal post shadow, Dantonio seems to possess a modern attitude toward punting. Not because he sees the statistical advantage of playing for 4th and short, but because he understands, intuitively, the damage to the soul inflicted by a 4th down conversion.

Dangerman: Speaking of damage to the soul, a Felton Davis event is a dagger directly to the pericardium. I have to apologize for my preseason take that Cody White is better because stats. Felton's 8.5 YPT, 55.4% catch rate, and 7.8% efficiency pale in comparison to Cody White and his 11.5 YPT and 77% catch rate.

The reason for the discrepancy, I think, is competition. White feasted on Utah State and Arizona State, while Davis's best three outputs were Penn State, Northwestern, and Indiana. The other reason is throwing to Davis is the floor of ideas when Lewerke gets in trouble.

And just chucking it up to him when he's in single coverage just tends to lead to good things. This one is right at a cornerback in perfect coverage and I dinged Lewerke for throwing it there (BR) when Davis owns the space inside. It still makes life hard on the cornerback, who's got to keep position on this monster and then track the ball. (On this one the cornerback does everything perfectly and still gets flagged because Davis fell down.)

Cody White is indeed more likely to burn you:

WR on the top

But it's the long-haired dude with freak body control who routinely converts in high-leverage situations. By now you've certainly seen the game-winning touchdown on a back-shoulder fade. That's a thing they throw at Davis all the time versus man coverage:

He's got tremendous strength to turn your little bit of contact into an arm bar of leverage and a body that seems built specifically to shield you from the ball and bring the reception. When thrown at Davis with any kind of accuracy it's un-defendable. When thrown at Davis with miserable accuracy it can still be completed.

When Davis gets going—usually at the end of games—anything thrown his way can seem like a good idea, even when it's definitively not. Which I guess brings us to the other half of that connection.

HenneChart:

Brian Lewerke Good   Neutral   Bad   Ovr
Opponent DO CA SCR   PR MA   BA TA IN BR   DSR PFF
Indiana 7 6(1) -   4 1   - 1 9xx 2   52%  
Penn State 5 15(2) 1   5 5   2 6 5x 10x   48%  

If PFF has published any individual grading for Lewerke in these two games I couldn't find it. But they did do a quarterbacks of the Big Ten rundown last week: Lewerke was 8th in the conference in overall grade with a 69.5 score, between Iowa's Nate Stanley and M.J. Rivers of Illinois (Shea's 4th with an 83.5). This was before the Penn State game, but I have to imagine the 16(!!!) passes defensed will not help that ranking.

The pressure has to be part of it. Blitzes better designed to handle his legs and play-action from his legs this year have to be a factor. I believe like the QBs at State before him, his coaches teach him to throw it away and live another day. I counted a few passes against Indiana that were just out of reach of Davis (not down the sideline) that you might squint and call a throwaway since it's man coverage and unlikely to be caught by anyone unless his receiver makes a circus catch. There was also a lot of plain ol' inaccuracy in both games.

The NFL grade might have dropped but it underrates the effectiveness of the passing game to call him a 50% scattershot because of the offense's philosophy.

OVERVIEW:

Michigan State's secret weapon all of these years has been paying close attention to high-leverage situations. Their playbook is, well, Spartan, for the most part, but every game they have a few interesting wrinkles off of some random coaching tree that they'll pop out for an important down, or use to press their advantage after a random event comes up their way.

Here's one I was surprised they didn't save for us when I saw it live:

The other two receivers on the trips side are running bubble screen action and sure enough the first steps from the interior slot receiver are widening like a bubble. At first you think this just their normal zone read/bubble package you're as familiar with as they are. Then the QB pulls at the same second the "bubble" receiver cuts into a slant. It's an evil play, picks up the first down, and changes the end-of-the-half script from a PSU 2-minute drive to an MSU one.

The other trick plays are just trick plays. Here's the RB pass from Connor Heyward:

There was also a fake punt and two fake field goals. They scored on the speed option that Peppers returned in 2016, and failed to convert on a lob to the nose tackle for the other. IU got burned for an RPS TD by overplaying the the look that MSU was running power and slants from all day with trap coverage. Safety freezes when he sees the pulling guard stand up, and the short drop takes away his second to react:

And a reverse pass to the QB, again near the end zone.

They also played with the bubble/slant conundrum in that game with a true RPO. The first time it's really a bubble:

The second time (2 plays later) the bubble blocker went into a full slant:

(yes, sharp eyes, the illegal man downfield got called, but so did a phantom PI on the cornerback)

When not in that mode, they do get fairly predictable. The thing that looks like a pitch sweep is a pitch sweep. The thing that looks like power is usually power, and if not it's a levels concept. Both IU and PSU were picking up on tendencies and exploiting them, and when MSU didn't have a clever response drives stalled.

Again, it comes back to an offensive line you can't trust. Every time MSU went 5-wide they ate a blitz before Lewerke could find somewhere to throw it. They did a lot of 4-wide, then, but whatever's gnawing at Chewins has severely nerfed his backstep. If you don't give him help an IU DE can dust him.

The above is the only hold called on MSU in either road game. Penn State got the Tackle Taco Hour business too (hopefully Franklin's not clever enough to wait to send his tape in), but even then Lewerke would get skittish and fling it into the Feltonsphere. MSU's response to that was a lot of max pro, and the problem with that is…

So that's how you get to 16(!!!!!!) passes defensed. There are only so many routes you can run with just three receivers in the pattern, and those get old pretty quick. PSU's corners were jumping those all 2nd half and were incredibly unlucky to come away with just one pick.

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Lewerke's response to this was to throw it inside and hope the safety isn't used to blanked coverage. I charted it as a bad read, but he's probably seeing the safety and guessing (correctly) that momentum screws the bold.

State's other answer to this is to run a lot of option routes. Felton and Lewerke are mostly on the same page with those, and I presume Cody White is getting there. Cody White's backup…

Notsomuch.

The challenge of facing this team, on the road, in a rivalry game, is you can't let things get to you. There's a version of his Penn State game where Lewerke throws 8 picks. There's also a version of this game where a PSU DT whose knees were just chopped on 3rd down of a successful goal line stand doesn't retaliate by punching a guy in the facemask. There's one where a phantom call on another PSU DT doesn't flip a late stop on 3rd and long and MSU doesn't get a touchdown with two long pass plays right after. The thing is they're saving those big plays for that moment, and in a random-ass football game, that moment is bound to come.

This is going to be a very different kind of challenge from Wisconsin—that was a team that hadn't been stopped on 3rd and short because they can blow you off the ball; this one rarely even gets that opportunity. But when this State offense senses opportunity they are still quite capable of bunching together a handful of good plays. Nobody wants another Northwestern game, especially in the rain.

Comments

A State Fan

October 18th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^

OL: It's bad. I'd say you're probably too harsh on Jarvis and Reid, who are the only two players that MSU hasn't moved around all year, which probably (maybe hopefully?) tells you how they feel about them. Some of this is pain though is also a little self inflicted. I know we've been dealing with injuries (and poor play), but in-game we rotate OL a ton. I can't tell you how jealous I was watching the Michigan/Wisconsin game to see the same 5 OL in there on the last drive even when the backup skill guys where there. 

WR: It's good! Kinda. Davis isn't a great athlete, but is big and uses his body really well. Strong hands too. I'd expect Stewart to play, he's pretty fast, a good route runner. Was used a lot on sweeps last year but almost none this season. White was the star of this group though, he's DPJ if DPJ was good (heyo! kidding). But he has it all. Nalor/Nelson have shown good things, Sowards is not someone I want to see on the field, but he'll be omnipresent this weekend.

RB: It's been bad, especially without Scott. But one thing that has plagued this team for 3 years now is running outside the tackles with the RB. Scott is so slow they just completely gave up, Heyward seems faster, but maybe not. Jefferson has shown some good things but also fumbled a couple times. Need to find someone like a Jeremy Langford who can threaten the edge as well as run with power.

TE: Sokol is bad, Dotson is a good young player. He's seen more snaps and targets recently with good effect.

QB: What to say here? He's been a little worse this season, but he definitely has no help right now. He's not running as much, which is annoying to me because we saw him swing several games last year breaking the pocket. This season he seems undecided on his scrambles, which has led to sacks and incompletions. When Patterson transferred, I did a comparison between the two and said he was a slightly better Lewerke, who throws more picks and runs less. Well that hasn't held up this year.

MSUs hope for any offense is that Stewart (and maybe Scott) return this week, and 1 more week of good health on the OL helps them find some success on the ground. Then you get a more comfortable Lewerke making sound decisions.

BlueGoM

October 18th, 2018 at 11:04 AM ^

I don't know about your entire OL being a "trouble spot" in the graphic above.  Even w/the troubles MSU has had w/OL  I saw several times your interior 3 OL push PSU's DL around.  I think this game will be close.  Or maybe I'm just telling myself that because I don't want to deal w/my boss (who went to MSU) on Monday.

mrkid

October 18th, 2018 at 11:12 AM ^

Lewerke reminds of Devin Gardner's last season, in the sense that he is a good QB but a bad offensive line can make a good QB regress in a hurry. Or at least appear to regress. I'm not expecting Lewerke to have a good time on Saturday, much in the way Gardner didn't have a good time the last time he played State.

A State Fan

October 18th, 2018 at 11:40 AM ^

Seth mentioned it in the article, but White has better numbers than Davis. Davis plays the "Lewerke is chucking this ball to me regardless" position, so he gets more targets. But I think White is bigger, faster, and runs better routes. Davis has better hands, and more body control. He can go get anything. But if I had to choose one to play, it'd be White.

Eng1980

October 19th, 2018 at 12:36 PM ^

M beat NW@NW,  NW beat MSU@MSU,  and the transitive property ALWAYS works in life.  If Wisconsin isn’t good then PSU isn’t good.  

On the other hand, Dantonio’s doesn’t play to win as much as he plays to test you or make you miserable for every part of 60 minutes or more.

Michigan is favored for all the right reasons

jimmyjoeharbaugh

October 18th, 2018 at 11:05 AM ^

Is their FG kicker bad? I was only following espn gamecast last week and noticed they didn't try a FG on 4th and 5ish/6ish from the 22 yard line with 5 minutes to go when down by 3. 

They went for it on 4th down and didn't make it, from the gamecast perspective it seemed they were lucky to have another shot at the end of the game to win it. 

ijohnb

October 18th, 2018 at 11:29 AM ^

No, Coughlin is good.  I was not sure why Dantonio did not just kick that field goal.  It worked out for them in the end, but that was a strange time for a fake.

Now, their punter situation is another story.  A big key to this game in my opinion is their backup punter v. DPJ.

ijohnb

October 18th, 2018 at 11:55 AM ^

A lot of line drives.  He held up well in the Penn State game and he punted a lot in the first half, but he was rarely punting from really deep in his own territory.  If we can force a few three and outs in the first half and make him kick from the ten yard like we should be starting well into positive territory.

dragonchild

October 18th, 2018 at 11:12 AM ^

There's a version of his Penn State game where Lewerke throws 8 picks.

No, there is not. Not in this universe.  It's boggling but Molestation State University for some gorram reason enjoys way way way more luck than they deserve in a world where humanists would like to believe in karma or poetic justice, but I've been forced to accept that reality.  MSU wins games they shouldn't partly because Dantonio is a good coach (grumble grumble) who has a knack for scripting drives and calling trick plays, but also because he is insanely lucky, to the point that I wonder if he signed a contract with Ned Flanders.

As for MSU's OL, they are unfortunately not a weak point in this game as the refs will turn off all holding calls -- unless our RB gets tackled, in which case Higdon will be called for holding even if it's Tru Wilson out there because UM holding calls just never make sense even if we're not playing MSU at the time.

This isn't to BPONE; we can beat MSU.  Handily, even.  But that involves acknowledging realities of this game that defy reason, logic, and even sanity.  So far Harbaugh's fallen somewhat short, for understandable reasons -- UM-MSU games are stupid crazy.  You need a sort of lunatic to embrace what happens in these games with any level of even-keeled acceptance in the time Harbaugh's been HC.  Hell I've been a fan for twenty years and I'm just now coceding that MSU will never suffer a regression to the mean.  MSU fans are of course delusional so if they win a "miracle" play by bulldozing our long snapper well of course it's just because they earned it, but that's beside the point.  Harbaugh has to believe in luck to avoid giving MSU an advantage, and realize it won't be on his side.

ijohnb

October 18th, 2018 at 11:46 AM ^

I hate to give the guy credit, but one thing I have noticed about Dantonio is that he does a remarkable job of remaining at least superficially level-headed even in the midst of really any circumstance, mistake, bad call, bone-headed play, etc.  His response to nearly all plays, good, bad, or truly awful appears introspective.  He talks to players, he does not yell at players.  It appears to me that Michigan State as a team almost always remains calm even in the most tension packed circumstances, and does not allow for one bad play or bad game to have a disproportionate impact on the next play or the next game.  They do get lucky, but they are also very hard to rattle.  That comes from the coach, IMO.

UMForLife

October 18th, 2018 at 11:47 AM ^

BPONE... Even if you say it is not. I think you are going to see a blowout and you won't be thinking this way next year. I am pretty confident (kinda!!!)

Every year since Harbaugh arrived I say MSU had better skilled players at key positions including 2015 at the time we played them. Not this year. Also, half time and in-game adjustments is a real thing for this team and the players are able to grasp and execute. MSU games are won in the trenches. It is a cliche but it is true. We are just better and that will show as the game progresses. PSU has comparable players to us but not the coaching. I am confident that if Harbaugh and co were coaching PSU they would have won both games they lost. 

You Only Live Twice

October 18th, 2018 at 12:19 PM ^

I have had almost no sickness and fear this week - with no prediction as to whether we win this or not, somehow the situation just feels more stable.

The 17 point comeback on the road indicates a different team character this year.

Was Wisconsin ranked too high or are things falling into place? 

Sure Dantonio is a good coach.  Harbaugh and his assistants are developing this team and appearing to fix problems in a systematic way - which is why, again, for the first time in years I don't feel nauseous in the days preceding this game.  Players talked in the pressers about the importance of closing the deal - something MSU can count as a strength; we are getting there.

Also the ref situation seems to be less of a burden compared to last year.  Again, some credit to coaching and player execution, penalties were recognized as a problem and fixed. As far as Delany, I don't think there will be the same incentive for one-sided officiating with a strong Michigan team.  

dragonchild

October 18th, 2018 at 12:24 PM ^

Wisconsin was an Ali vs. Liston moment.  It could've been a good fight, it should've been a good fight, either team could've won, but Wisconsin's HC took a dive.

It would've been nice to test this team's mettle against a legit opponent but Michigan was denied the opportunity.  As for Wisconsin, I would understand if the players were frustrated because they did everything asked of them and got coached to a loss.  It was like watching Hoke/Borges on the other side.  Poetic justice for ending Newsome's career, I guess.

chunkums

October 18th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^

If this was anyone other than MSU I would feel very confident about a win. Heavy rain will likely negate their glaring weakness, but will also harm the only way they're able to move the ball. We may be in for a sludge fart.  

 

Advantages for UM:

Abysmal MSU running offense v elite rushing defense

Average MSU passing offense v #1 passing defense

Extremely efficient UM QB v abysmal passing defense

 

Advantages for MSU:

#1 MSU rushing defense v above average rushing offense

Dantonio's black magic against Michigan

 

The Denarding

October 18th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^

I think Seth’s description and what makes MSU so dangerous is they get you to play THEIR game.   It is very hard to dictate your style against them.   The defense will sell out to take away your ability to run and forces you to have to grind out victory.   Their offense has to be good enough to keep them in it and that is their strategy.  Mark Dantonio, again thoughts of him as a human being aside, is an exceptional coach.   He baits people into attacking him where he is strongest which I think is by design.   Statistics is a great at helping you examine variance to see truth.   But even stats tell you it can’t all be luck when you win as often as an underdog as MSU does.    He takes away the run, blitzes you creatively and consistently which requires you hit big plays to win.   Toe to toe with those guys is hard because defensively they are brutally efficient and offensively they are explosive in high leverage situations.   Penn State is the game before OSU that scares me the most but this game has the highest probability for massive variance. 

lhglrkwg

October 18th, 2018 at 12:21 PM ^

If this was a Minnesota / Purdue / Maryland / anyone else with this roster and this track record, I'd think we'd go in there and win by 20. Anyone who's been around Michigan during Dantonio's tenure knows that it's always closer than you think (He is 11-0 ATS vs. Michigan). It's so frustrating. Seems like one of these years it'll change and we'll crush them, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Spread is -7.5, so I'm going to say we either win or lose by <4. It's gonna be a butt clencher as usual

Steves_Wolverines

October 18th, 2018 at 12:30 PM ^

I'm so nervous for this game I'm probably going to watch it on mute in the dark. Nothing is going to go the way we think. Everything bad will happen. I'm 100% in the BPONE. Until Michigan beats MSU on the scoreboard and the stat sheet, I'm going to lose sleep over this match-up. I think this is the year we can do it, but...I need to see it to believe it. Please hold me TVH (and umbig11)!

markusr2007

October 18th, 2018 at 12:51 PM ^

Michigan State's 3rd down conversion rate is 35.2%.

That's just ahead of Illinois's illustrious offense.

MSU has no running game - rankied 13th in the league ahead of Rutgers.

The dink and dunk stuff passing attack might work against Michigan a couple of times, but will they consistently get to Felton Davis and the receivers/TEs for 3rd down conversions?  They haven't thus far.

Against their best opponent of the year, Penn State, they were 25% on 3rd down and 50% on 4th down (2 attempts). 

So MSU's game plan has to be to beat Michigan's defense with LeWerke's legs, LeWerke's short passing attack and bombs to Felton Davis, who is going to be covered by David Long all game. And you also have to hope Michigan shoots itself in the foot with turnovers again and lots of penalties.

I think the game will be close and unpleasant for the 1st half, but I don't think MSU will be able to stop Michigan offensively or move the ball consistently on offense.

yossarians tree

October 18th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^

Hopefully Don Brown and the coaches throw down the gauntlet to Long and Hill to shut down Felton Davis. If they can do that it's goodnight Sparty. I'd have the safeties shading to him too, because a lot of his balls are "chuck it up off the backfoot" because Lewerke is under pressure. There are interceptions to be had because they will likely be in 3rd and long quite a bit.

Catchafire

October 18th, 2018 at 1:10 PM ^

On a scale of 1-10 for how terrified I am of this game, it is definitely a 10 TEN.  Reading the above, especially on injuries, there is no way that MSU should have beat PSU... There is no way MSU should have even kept it close with PSU... but they did!

We can prognosticate all we want to, but this game will defy the odds.  Let's just hope MSU burned all their good luck charms against PSU and we come out with the win.

Mongo

October 18th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^

So the kitchen sink is coming early - trick play after trick play.  I say we play possum and shut that shit down.  Then take the next 3 quarters to pound them - that OL is going to fold like a cheap suit. 

Paul is coming home on Saturday.   UM 27  MSU 7

Hajado

October 18th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^

M is better on paper.  I’ve heard enough of that.  On the field...M has the better QB. M has the better O line. M has the better backs.  M has the better receivers.  M has the absolute better total defense.  Enough talk of Sparty luck.  M is going to put Sparty over their knee and spank them. Not worried about those second tier bitches one bit.  

brad

October 18th, 2018 at 11:45 PM ^

With MSU's shitty O line, this paradoxically feels like a game Michigan can control defensively with the 3-3-5.  Force them to try to win with their standard running game and tamp down the potential of Dantonios trick plays.

b618

October 19th, 2018 at 4:47 AM ^

Lots of people psyching themselves out here.  MSU has gotten into your heads, making you think like a loser.

Come on.  We are Wolverines.  Let's get some confidence.  We have a very good team right now.  Let's have some trust in our guys.

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