dipshit moron

October 2nd, 2018 at 12:30 PM ^

 if you think there is not something weird going on against michigan when it comes to officiating, you are blind. this is not just a homer view. every game there have been at least 2 or 3 penalties that leave you shaking your head .not only was higdons penalty a joke , bordering on criminal. look at garys hand to face penalty. he is being held and pulled around the qb as his hand grazes the qb. not even close. 

spiff

October 2nd, 2018 at 12:30 PM ^

The fact that OSU gets the most favorable holding calls (except for MINN LOL) and UM is infinite standard deviations below the norm makes me upset.

DualThreat

October 2nd, 2018 at 12:33 PM ^

This evidence is damning.  There is no reason other than refs hating Harbaugh/Michigan that this should be the case after 3 years of sample size.

Indiana Blue

October 2nd, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^

I strongly believe this is an an ANTI-Harbaugh thing ... and Delaney is complicit with his lack of discussion.  This is illustrated by Harbaugh getting an unsportsmanlike penalty in THE Game for throwing his clipboard vs. Meyer who was on the field most of last year's game and even went out to the hashmarks during the game and received a "sideline" warning.  WTF  No need to even mention 2016 ...  and now it is game after game after game.  I screamed at the ref last week as soon as the hanky left his pocket ... which is when Shea was already in the clear 10 yards up the field.  I am certain that the entire NW bench was yelling "holding"  -  but there was NO holding, so the ref just made up a number of the player to call it on ... and that ref should come clean, or LOSE his job as a ref.

Go Blue! 

The Mad Hatter

October 2nd, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^

Honestly, we really should be raising hold hell about this with the league offices.  And if no action is taken, make it public and just pay whatever fines they want to levy against us.

Or just say fuck it and go independent.

mGrowOld

October 2nd, 2018 at 1:16 PM ^

Nice but all our emails will mean nothing.  What needs to happen...what HAS to happen....is our jovial, great guy to have a beer with Athletic Director who is good, good friends with the other ADs, Delaney and the B1G officials needs to grow a fucking pair AND STAND UP FOR OUR SCHOOL FOR FUCKING ONCE.

Damn it Warde.  Sack up and get mad.  Get mad as hell at the league who is absolutely FUCKING OVER your football team and our Head Coach cause they dont like him.  Stand up for him like Don Canham did for Bo back in 73.  Be loud, go public, dont let this obvious screw job go on in silence and in secret.  

I have a hint for you Warde - it's NOT going to go away on it's own.  This is going to continue until you throw the light on and all the cockroaches run for cover.  Math wins here - there's no possible explanation for this or the other data on holding other than "our league officials dislike our head coach and team intensely and are trying to screw them every chance they get.

Gameboy

October 2nd, 2018 at 1:48 PM ^

I've been on Warde sucks bandwagon for awhile, and I could not care less if he yells or not. I want to see some results. We are arguably the top brand in B1G and we are not getting the treatment we deserve. We should demand favorable treatments, never mind fair treatments. If not, we should actively investigate leaving the conference (or at least threaten it). But I suspect nothing will change until we get a new AD. I really believe that we will not win another B1G championship until the change is made.

El Jeffe

October 2nd, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^

The metrics are a little weird--it took me a minute to figure out why there was an overall negative relationship. You'd think that the better your DL was, the more sacks and holds you would get, and vice versa; hence, a positive relationship.

Then I figured out what the y-axis meant.

Pretty incredible visualization.

1VaBlue1

October 2nd, 2018 at 12:51 PM ^

This is egregious.  But we'll never hear anything about anything being done to fix it.  I would be very interested in seeing the same charts for the other conferences, also.  I bet everything looks normal and that Michigan would still be an outlier when placed on those other graphs.

Mgoczar

October 2nd, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^

Why can't this be brought upto the athletic department? Direct tweet at Big10. Bring news media for this. Such garbage. 

Not a day goes by that I don't hate B1G admins and Delaney. 

lhglrkwg

October 2nd, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^

Part of me wonders if this can partially be explained by the fact that our D-lines have been so good for so long that people are just getting the ball out quick and not letting their QBs sit back long enough to draw a hold

OTOH, MSU, Wisconsin, and OSU (and probably others) have all had some great lines recently and they're way closer to the average so this remains nuts

LKLIII

October 2nd, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^

I agree this is egregious and should be brought to the attention of our own AD and to the Big Ten generally. However, before we do I think it’s important to anticipate and rule out other likely explanations first. 

Its the difference between being taken as wild eyed kooks versus being taken seriously.

 

I am skeptical of this explanation, but some of the Reddit users did make a credible case that this could also be due to the WAY we create sacks. One would think that the longer a play goes on & the more players who are being directly engaged by blockers, the higher the risk is that a joke takes place. 

I’m no defensive guru, but it does seem to me that the way Don Brown generates a lot of our sacks is by sending extra blitzers off the edge and through gaps at high speed, and doing stunts to increase the odds that guys are coming free into the backfield largely untouched. To me, it seems like those situations would have less opportunity for a player to commit holding as opposed to just 3-4 strong/talented DL bull rushing & engaging OL to collapse a pocket. 

Now, whether we do that far more than the other strong sack rate teams, or whether that DOES in fact reduce the opportunity for holding to take place, I don’t know. Maybe it does a lot. Maybe it doesn’t. Maybe it mitigates the outlier somewhat but it is still a significantly significant outlier when one factors all KR that into the analysis. 

The hard part would be to get the underlying data & to quantify it. One person suggested also plotting the average number of rushers defenses use on passing downs to see if there is a clear correlation.