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Uh-oh. #27 is taken??

There seems to be a slight problem in the Michigan roster.

Derrick Green wore #27 in high school and cites Eddie George (who also wore #27) as his favorite player. When Green committed, he had a #27 jersey on the wall behind the projector screen.

Slight problem: walk-on wide receiver Jonathan Keizer has a claim to #27, according to mgoblue.com.

So, what number does Derrick Green wear? I hope this doesn't become a big problem. We were able to get Pipkins to wear #56 like he wanted. Hopefully we can do the same here.

Any thoughts?

UPDATE!:

After doing some research, I've found that you can have duplicate numbers on a roster, but not on the same side of the ball. This is why #27 LB Mike Jones (who is a scholarship athlete) would not have to forfeit his number and is irrelevant to this discussion.

If you look at Michigan's roster, there are no duplicate numbers on offense. There is no evidence to suggest that, as some posited, two players can have the same numbers on offense as long as one stays off the field. I don't where you guys found that rule, but I'd be curious to see it.

I also found that, despite Hoke's statement that he treats all the players equally ("our 115 sons"), scholarship athletes always get preference to walk-ons. The most likely scenario here is that Keizer would be reassigned a number and Green would wear #27.

I had hoped that this thread would become a discussion about what numbers Green could possibly wear instead of #27 in the event that Hoke decides to let Keizer keep the number (a definite possibility, and don't be surprised if you see it happen).

Instead, this largely became a ridiculing of the original post's premise, whether or not player numbers need to be discussed on the board, and the implication that Green might transfer if not granted #27 (which is fine, mea culpa on that last one).

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:30 PM | Really, this is worthy of a (Score:5 Normal)
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Really, this is worthy of a board topic?  Pretty sure Green will talk to Keizer about it, and pretty sure Keizer will let Green have the number for the appropriate number of Chipotle burritos.

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February 17th, 2013 at 12:03 AM | Yeah, this is certainly less (Score:4 Normal)
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Yeah, this is certainly less relevant than the topic where some guy announced he was retiring at age 35.

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February 17th, 2013 at 1:03 AM | I think both topics are (Score:5 Normal)
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I think both topics are stupid..so dont feel bad

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February 17th, 2013 at 1:33 AM | It's especially not relevant when considering the rule changes (Score:5 Normal)
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That recently went to committee. Two of the rules specifically deal with players' numbers—one requiring officials be notified of number changes occurring during a game and the other disallowing two players on the same team and at the same position from wearing the same number. To help those keeping score at home, this means its pretty common for more than one player to wear a particular number. So much so that the NCAA already has rules in place and is considering additional rules to govern the many instances where this already occurs. It's a non issue and that's the reason you are catching so much flak Decatur.

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February 17th, 2013 at 1:38 AM | You're absolutely right.  (Score:5 Normal)
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You're absolutely right.  This is more relevant than a lot of other threads on the board right now.  However, if I was to create a thread about how I drove past the big house today, it also would be technically "more relevant" than the 35 y.o. retiree.  Relevancy does not necessarily constitute board worthiness.

This is something that happens all the time (pros, college and even high school), and isn't a big deal (for the team, for the blog, and/or for Derrick).  Either Derrick will move on to a new number, he and Keizer will make a deal,  they'll share the number or the walk on will be forced to give it up if Green is a baby about it.  If you're still concerned about it, Green's already signed is LOI, so he's locked in, and if a jersey number is enough for him to want to transfer, do you really someone so thickheaded like that on the team anyways.  Quit worrying and think before creating a thread next time (the tribe's clearly spoken that this was best left unposted).

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February 17th, 2013 at 7:54 AM | Haters Gonna Hate (Score:4 Normal)
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February 17th, 2013 at 12:11 AM | Chipotle burritos, yum. 27 (Score:4 Normal)
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Chipotle burritos, yum. 27 maybe?

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:30 PM | Yeah, its a... (Score:4 Normal)
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Slow news day, isn't it?

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:59 PM | Great day for topics (Score:5 Normal)
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Half of me is still laughing about the "advice for torn ACL" thread.  The other half hopes he  ignored all of the advice except for those who told him to get advice from a doctor.

 

 

 

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:31 PM | It's only a problem if they (Score:5 Normal)
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It's only a problem if they both are on the field at the same time. There are plenty of repeat numbers when you include walk-ons. Unless Keizer is the next Jordan Kovacs, it's a non-issue.

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February 17th, 2013 at 5:33 PM | Wasn't a problem for Notre (Score:1)
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Wasn't a problem for Notre Dame against Pitt last year on Pitt's missed game-winning FG attempt.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:32 PM | They should race for it. Or (Score:5 Normal)
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They should race for it.



Or just let Green have it.

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February 17th, 2013 at 12:42 PM | I think they should fight to (Score:3 Funny)
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I think they should fight to the death for it in the arena called the Big House in front of all michigan players past and present, with Hoke deciding the fate of the loser.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:32 PM | Hmmm 5 star RB or walk on (Score:5 Normal)
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Hmmm 5 star RB or walk on receiver getting #27. I think they'll get it worked out somehow.

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February 17th, 2013 at 9:22 AM | I don't like the idea of (Score:1 Normal)
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I don't like the idea of Green getting the number because of his recruiting credentials. Once he is a member of 134, they are all equals. Except he's a freshman, and Keizer is a RS Soph. I think seniority should rule here, and I would hope the coaches and players would agree.

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February 17th, 2013 at 9:50 AM | Yeah, and everybody should (Score:5 Normal)
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Yeah, and everybody should get to play too, well, except the freshmen.  Equality is what should rule always, well except for seniority.

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February 17th, 2013 at 10:35 AM | Not at all the same (Score:-1 Trolling)
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Not at all the same situation. I do appreciate when people take irrelevant situations to the extreme to prove their (non)points, though.

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February 17th, 2013 at 4:24 PM | Can't upvote any more (Score:0 Redundant)
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So I'll just leave a reply saying "you're awesome"

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:33 PM | Im sorry, did you say "walk-on"?? (Score:3 Normal)
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Im sure he wont mind giving the jersey up...

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:33 PM | Hole (Score:0 Trolling)
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Said he can have 27 back when he picks a new favorite player.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:35 PM | To be fair, George is the one (Score:1 Normal)
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To be fair, George is the one who first told Green to consider Michigan. And Eddie George's top two schools coming out of high school were M and OSU.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:49 PM | But what does Hoke say and (Score:1 Trolling)
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But what does Hoke say and who is this Hole person?

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February 17th, 2013 at 12:23 AM | These Two. (Score:4 Normal)
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Holes! 

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February 17th, 2013 at 12:54 AM | Aaron craft! (Score:3 Normal)
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Aaron craft!

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February 17th, 2013 at 1:12 AM | Holes is solid (Score:3 Normal)
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I always thought Holes was a solid movie. Of course this is before Shia went bat shit crazy.

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February 17th, 2013 at 8:03 AM | LOL @ "Holes" (Score:0 Offtopic)
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Just spewed coffee on my keyboard, laughing at this! ^^^

Can we get a clean-up here?!

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:34 PM | I am going way out on a limb here, but (Score:5 Normal)
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I'm guessing that "we" won't be consulted.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:34 PM | Why don't we also freak out (Score:3 Normal)
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Why don't we also freak out about Devin Gardner wearing 12 as a QB, and that being Shane's number in high school?

I think this matter much more to fans and OP than it does Green.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:36 PM | Morris grew up an M fan. (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Morris grew up an M fan. Seriously doubt him getting upset enough over a number to transfer.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:40 PM | Are you seriously implying (Score:5 Normal)
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Are you seriously implying that D Green might get so upset that 27 is taken that he will transfer?  That's a joke right?  Seriously, that's the most ridiculous thing that's ever been posted on MGoBlog - and that's saying something.  Regardless, if it's a big enough issue, I'm sure the walk on will give up the number. 

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:42 PM | It's half-serious. Green (Score:-1 Trolling)
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It's half-serious. Green wears #27 everywhere (high school, Army Bowl, commitment announcement) that you'd think he might be a little upset over this.

Of course you guys could all be right and the coaches will just say screw the walk-on here you go Green.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:53 PM | I really don't think the (Score:2)
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I really don't think the coaches would say "fuck off this guy wants 27." Like someone else said, Green will probably ask to whoever has it about it and this thread will turn into a non-issue really really fast.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:55 PM | Here's the thing you don't (Score:5 Normal)
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Here's the thing you don't get: More than one player on a team can have the same number.  PROBLEM SOLVED.

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February 17th, 2013 at 12:17 AM | Actually, I'm pretty sure (Score:-1 Trolling)
Mlaw2010
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Actually, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. You can have 2 of the same number on the roster but you can't have 2 offensive players or defensive players who both wear a number. So Green could share the number with a DB but not a WR. In fact, a quick scan of Michigan's roster shows that this interpretation is correct at least in terms if how the roster is made up right now.

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February 17th, 2013 at 12:27 AM | Actually I think it is just that (Score:4 Normal)
Nick
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two players with the same # can't be on the field at the same time.

You can't define an 'offensive' or 'defensive' player as some guys take snaps on both sides of the ball, guys switch positions - OL to DL, things like that.

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February 17th, 2013 at 1:16 AM | You're right - and the way (Score:2)
Mlaw2010
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You're right - and the way teams go about handling it is to assign repeated numbers to players who typically play on different sides of the ball.  I thought I remembered reading a rule about it years ago.  Should have checked first.

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February 17th, 2013 at 8:18 AM | Absolutely correct (Score:1)
rob f
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that you can't have two players with the same # on the field at the same time.  Unless you have the "luck" of the Irish, that is:

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7hwQyCBRoEYAS1VXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1NWZ...

Notre Dame’s “Desperado” Brain cramp. The Irish’s game-saving break on Kevin Harper’s missed 33-yard field goal could’ve been erased because of a special teams snafu, with both Bennett Jackson and Chris Brown being a part of the Irish’s kick block team. Since both players wear the number two, they aren’t allowed to be on the field at the same time unless one of them switches jerseys and declares himself to the refs. But that didn’t happen, and while the refs didn’t spot it, it could’ve been called for a penalty, a situation that already happened when Danny McCarthy and Justin Ferguson both wore No. 15.

Kelly didn’t sugarcoat the mistake when he discussed it Sunday.

“It was a coaching mistake. We had put our Desperado team on there, and Chris Brown is part of Desperado,” Kelly explained. “Just we’ve got to do a better job. An oversight that can’t happen.”

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February 17th, 2013 at 9:07 AM | I know this is a little too impolite for the board, (Score:5 Normal)
Mr Miggle
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but OP, you're clearly not very bright, at least not today.

Eating is murder.

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February 17th, 2013 at 9:23 AM | He definitely did not say (Score:0 Flamebait)
wolverineswag
Joined: 03/12/2012
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He definitely did not say that. You definitely put those words in his mouth.

"Fortune leaves always some door open."

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:49 PM | FWIW, Shane has said he (Score:4 Normal)
BOX House
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FWIW, Shane has said he doesn't want to wear #12 in college. He tweeted the other day that he sent in his potential number requests: 7, 10, and 2.

Life and Loss with Michigan Basketball

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February 17th, 2013 at 12:07 AM | Both 7 (Leach, Henne) and 10 (Score:2)
Elmer
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Both 7 (Leach, Henne) and 10 (Brady, Collins) would look good.  I think 2 is reserved for a DB.

 

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February 17th, 2013 at 1:07 AM | Yeah Hoke said it's going to (Score:2)
Lionsfan
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Yeah Hoke said it's going to become the defensive version of the No. 1 jersey

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

StraightDave owes me a steak dinner

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:36 PM | Walk-ons share numbers with (Score:5 Normal)
snarling wolverine
Joined: 12/14/2011
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Walk-ons share numbers with scholarship guys all the time.  They just can't be on the field at the same time (and probably won't).

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:37 PM | Yeah (Score:5 Normal)
VerMagnusson
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You're right, HUGE problem. Green will probably transfer

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:37 PM | Better title next time please (Score:1 Normal)
IncrediblyBLUE
Joined: 03/26/2011
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Better title next time please

Coach Hoke once told me that a moral victory is still a (expletive deleted) loss.

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:41 PM | It's quicker to ignore it (Score:0 Normal)
GoBlueGB
Joined: 09/30/2010
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It's quicker to ignore it than bitch

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February 16th, 2013 at 11:59 PM | . (Score:-1 Trolling)
TrueBlue25
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Then*

"I have three kids and no money. Why can't I have no kids and three money?"

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February 17th, 2013 at 12:08 AM | Than* (Score:4 Normal)
gutnedawg
Joined: 12/18/2010
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Than*

/°>

 

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February 17th, 2013 at 12:12 AM | , (Score:0 Overrated)
TrueBlue25
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Oops. Technically both make sense?

ok

"I have three kids and no money. Why can't I have no kids and three money?"

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February 17th, 2013 at 1:20 AM | Somehow I feel like I have (Score:4 Normal)
IncrediblyBLUE
Joined: 03/26/2011
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Somehow I feel like I have been called a Bitch

Coach Hoke once told me that a moral victory is still a (expletive deleted) loss.

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