Myles Sims' family upset with Michigan over transfer waiver denial
This article in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution includes quotes from both Myles Sims' parents and representatives from UM about the NCAA denying his immediate request to play this year at Georgia Tech. They allege that the official statement from Warde to the NCAA had misinformation about why Sims was transferring.
They are appealing the decision.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:25 AM ^
My God... This is the most delusional group of people on earth.
These kids don't want out of Michigan because Harbaugh is a great guy. The fact that you bought that stupid narrative about Harbaugh not lying is pathetic. That was Harbaugh and the University trying to switch the attention away from the fact that Harbaugh took a swipe at Hudson in a not so thinly veiled interview. It's called public relations.
Your hero is a dick, which is why all these kids want out in the first place. Wake up.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:29 AM ^
Go do something else with your time dickhead.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^
put down your phone- my pizza is getting cold
August 21st, 2019 at 12:13 PM ^
Nice to see you've finally dropped the mask.
August 21st, 2019 at 1:47 PM ^
You mean the totally transparent mask?
August 21st, 2019 at 1:08 PM ^
Do you realize how fucking completely sad it is to have an account on a rivals blog just to troll? I can’t fathom how terrible the “rock bottom” of my life would have to be for me to spend time trolling on a rivals blog.
You think it’s cool or funny but it isn’t. It’s just really sad
August 21st, 2019 at 1:17 PM ^
Keep on masturbating to that shrine of Urban Meyer in your basement.
August 21st, 2019 at 1:30 PM ^
his profile pic is an MSU favorite. Desmond flashed a thumbs up just before the fumbled punt in 2015. This is a Sparty troll
August 21st, 2019 at 2:11 PM ^
"This is a Sparty troll"
Which makes his "Your hero is a dick" especially entertaining.
August 21st, 2019 at 1:33 PM ^
There are over 100 kids on the team who are doing just fine, asshole. The fact is most guys who transfer do so because they're afraid to compete. I'm guessing you're one of those little pussies who quit every team you've ever joined.
August 21st, 2019 at 1:48 PM ^
Please don't join him in the gutter.
August 21st, 2019 at 2:03 PM ^
Logged in to give you a BIG thumbs down “Harbs” in response to your ill-considered, lame post filled with old, unoriginal tropes about Harbaugh. Try to come up with something original next time.
August 21st, 2019 at 2:12 PM ^
so long loser...... we'll see you back with a new account soon, won't we, harbs?
August 21st, 2019 at 2:31 PM ^
bye beotch! Your hero is an analyst for Fox now
August 21st, 2019 at 11:33 AM ^
The other caveat everyone likes to add is that Harbaugh is in favor of a one time transfer rule so why is he interfering with transfers. He is in favor of changing the rule. Until that happens he is going to follow the current rule. Why is that so hard to understand?
August 21st, 2019 at 10:49 AM ^
We JUST did this
August 21st, 2019 at 11:28 AM ^
Twin Peaks
August 21st, 2019 at 10:50 AM ^
Just wait until Aubrey Solomon's gets denied. Then again, his will be granted. SEC, baby!
August 21st, 2019 at 10:54 AM ^
Couple snippets from the article:
NCAA guidelines for waivers require that athletes have “documented extenuating, extraordinary and mitigating circumstances outside of the student-athlete’s control that directly impacts the health, safety or well-being of the student-athlete.”
Sims’ parents said that when Myles informed Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh in April of his intent to enter the portal, they were both on speakerphone and were a part of the conversation. They said that they told Harbaugh that they had decided that Myles should transfer and be closer to home for personal reasons and shared nothing more.
So you thought simply stating "personal reasons" would somehow qualify you for "extraordinary and mitigating circumstances"? Okay then.
EDIT: I see farther down the article they're claiming that they submitted some sort of doctor's information to the NCAA but don't want to talk about it. So really they're mad that they didn't tell Harbaugh anything, and so when the NCAA asked UM if there were "extraordinary and mitigating circumstances" UM didn't have anything to say.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:05 AM ^
If a student-athlete needs to transfer for personal reason there should be no question that he should sit out for a year until he gets his life in order. Student and academics firsts before football. After life is figured out and the situation is under control then back to football. But no way should you jump into athletics if you have to leave one school for another due to personal reasons.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:11 AM ^
What if it doesn't take a year to handle but is an ongoing thing that requires you to be closer to home?
August 21st, 2019 at 12:05 PM ^
Do you need to be actively playing football to comfort a sick or dying family member? It’s not like these kids can’t still go to school or be with their family. Them having to sit out a year has absolutely zero bearing on the sick family member angle. If anything it would give the player MORE time to spend with their family or loved ones.
August 21st, 2019 at 5:03 PM ^
Transfer in January or February to be with a close family member who isn't in great shape, fully expecting to sit out a year. Family member passes away in March....?♂️ At least you'll have a year of not playing to grieve I guess.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^
I mean, it depends, right? If it's a sick parent or something like that, just being closer to home can help both parties and doesn't necessarily mean they have to take time off the sport.
And I would also be more in support for players sitting out til they got things in order if the NCAA didn't have rules about how long you are eligible and if they didn't prevent you from making money in others ways.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:19 AM ^
Ty Isaac transferred to Michigan with a legitimate claim to being closer to his ailing mother. The NCAA denied his request for immediate eligibility. Over the intervening five years the NCAA sure has lowered its standards, wouldn't you say?
August 21st, 2019 at 12:04 PM ^
He was also outside the 100 mile radius for those sorts of exceptions. This is the same type of case as Luke Ford, who is from southern Illinois and had his request for immediate eligibility at U of I - the closest FBS program to his home - denied.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:15 AM ^
You're making an assumption about what "personal reasons" are and that something is wrong with the kid. It could mean a terminally ill relative, which wouldn't necessarily mean that the student-athlete has anything to get "in order" other than spending more time with said relative.
This would not preclude one from playing college sports competitively.
August 21st, 2019 at 12:13 PM ^
What were Tate Martell's extenuating circumstances?
August 21st, 2019 at 12:33 PM ^
Too short to ride the rides at the Ohio State Fair. Florida had much looser restrictions.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:09 AM ^
If what they're saying is accurate, I understand the view. If they told Harbaugh "personal reasons" and said nothing else, then that's all Michigan should have put on the form. If Warde's response then said playing time and a fresh start, that's needless and speculative reasoning from Michigan.
Now the Michigan response is saying Warde's response comes from the notes of the meeting, which indicates that playing time and a fresh start was discussed there. So Michigan's view is likely that in the meeting with the Sims', that was the reason given.
But to hell with all of this stuff - implement the Harbaugh rule.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:16 AM ^
Agree. Michigan didn't need to include the "playing time" stuff even if it were true. I can definitely feel the family's frustrations, especially since this seems like a pattern with Michigan
August 21st, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^
Some dude (u/UsedGuess) with Alabama and GT flair on Reddit actually said it really well:
The NCAA could not be clearer about this and I don't know why it still confuses people. You're allowed to transfer for more playing time and get immediate eligibility, but everyone has to get together and agree to pretend that you're not.
Harbaugh's not a fan of make-believe.
August 21st, 2019 at 12:33 PM ^
"but everyone has to get together and agree to pretend that you're not" describes the NCAA so well, no matter what you put in front of it.
"Kid, you're an employee, 'but everyone has to get together and agree to pretend that you're not.' "
"You're making us administrative parasites billions, 'but everyone has to get together and agree to pretend that you're not.'
August 21st, 2019 at 11:13 AM ^
This is not entirely true. What the Sims' are complaining about is the fact that Michigan (the Compliance Dept), in it's response to the NCAA, included that he was also looking for additional playing time. The Sims' say this was not part of his reasoning to transfer, and that it's the reason the NCAA denied the waiver.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:18 AM ^
This is the part that doesn't jive for me and leaves open to question Michigan's motives. It is entirely possible that Myles Sims let something slip at some point about playing time.
I honestly don't know enough the process (who submits what, who has input, etc.) to say that this is or is not legitimate. This is where the questions are for me, though.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:49 AM ^
It also leaves open the question as to whether the "reasons for transferring" question that is being asked is objective in terms of what the player told the school, or subjective based on what the coach or AD observed. It seems that it is a question that should not be asked of the school being departed. Obviously if a player is transferring things are not awesome between him and the school he is leaving. Perhaps the program he is leaving is not the best source to ask to opine about the motivations.
I have to be honest though, I think in these cases there is probably some grey area between UM "lying" about the reasons for a transfer and telling "the whole truth and nothing but the truth" to essentially become another impediment for the kid. Let's be honest about our coach. He does not appear to be a "take the high road" kind of guy and it is not surprising to me that this is becoming a bit of an issue.
August 21st, 2019 at 12:58 PM ^
Let's be honest about our coach. He does not appear to be a "take the high road" kind of guy and it is not surprising to me that this is becoming a bit of an issue.
Wait -- What? Please share some examples here. My impression is exactly the opposite. JH has integrity and is very very proud of that character trait.
August 21st, 2019 at 1:06 PM ^
Come on man. Harbaugh is a red-ass. He shit talks after the fact constantly. This year he did so to 1) Mark Dantonio after the MSU game, 2) Urban Meyer after Meyer left OSU, 3) Michigan players who sat out the bowl game. We are talking about a coach who has almost been in two fights with other coaches on the field of play after games.
Is it that much of a stretch to suggest that he may have a choice word or two for players who transfer out?
I am not calling him the anti-Christ here. I am not calling him a bad guy. I am not even saying I want him to or think he should change. I just understood who he was when we hired him.
August 21st, 2019 at 1:57 PM ^
Wait, " a coach who has almost been in two fights with other coaches on the field of play after games"? You've got a weird standard for character, in that something that "almost" (in your own opinion" happens defines him.
And if you really think that what Harbaugh said after the Michigan State kerfufle, or after Urban Meyer left, is "shit talk ," you must be the most naive person alive.
August 21st, 2019 at 2:19 PM ^
Really?
Oh.
Now who is being naïve, Kay?
August 21st, 2019 at 11:33 AM ^
Could "additional playing time" be the nice way of saying he didn't like a #700 ranked recruit from his class being ahead of him on the depth chart?
August 21st, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^
Probably...
August 21st, 2019 at 2:50 PM ^
Same thing Hudson did. Entered the portal and suddenly has a mental health issue he never discussed with anyone at Michigan, and it appears he is upset UM won't support the waiver on those grounds. Hey but somebody yelled a slur at Justin Fields so he had to leave Georgia for his safety, so he was granted the waiver.
August 21st, 2019 at 10:56 AM ^
UM doesn't stand in the way of transfers but it will tell the reasoning from it's side. A kid gets passed on the depth chart then leaves.
NCAA probably needs to either allow a one time transfer or none at all (everyone sits out a season).
These little back and forth bickering fights are annoying.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:09 AM ^
That would make it so much easier. You get the one "Get Out of _____ College" card and after it's used up you have to sit a year if you decide to transfer again...no matter the circumstances. No more waiting on approvals/denials etc.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:18 AM ^
Once again, any response is unusual from schools in these situations and submitting a response is an affirmative action that adds a barrier to the transfer process. You can say its not fighting the transfer, but its taking an action most schools don't that makes the transfer process process out of Michigan more difficult than out of other schools.
August 21st, 2019 at 2:05 PM ^
Got any evidence of this? Every reports on transfers says otherwise. Schools seem to respond to NCAA requests for comments all the time.
August 21st, 2019 at 11:02 AM ^
Leave it to the NCAA to create a system where stating you ran a kid off gets you press as being player friendly while this kerfluffle comes from being compliant.
August 21st, 2019 at 1:55 PM ^
This may be the best and oddest explanation for Martell's eligibility: OSU told the truth. "We think he sucks as a QB and he's a dickhead."