Michigan Defensive Back Tyler Cochran pulls no punches on "incompetent" Schlissel
Go get 'em hot shot! Between Warde and Mark, we have a clown show of administrators. Let's bring in some that care about sports, care about winning, and will stand up for our teams when they get screwed.
August 12th, 2020 at 7:56 PM ^
Maybe the best thing to do right now is *not* to spout vitriol in public.
However... did the Big Ten actually make public whatever data/models/projections/etc. it used to make this decision? I saw their statement, but not any actual report providing any quantitative information supporting it. Making that public would help their case - I know the PAC 12 had a similar report.
August 12th, 2020 at 7:57 PM ^
A soon to be former football team member.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:18 PM ^
That is... sort of what happens when you graduate...
August 12th, 2020 at 8:23 PM ^
I didn't realize that he had left. Guess I lose my fan card for not knowing that Tyler Cochran isn't on the team anymore.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:30 PM ^
For not know who Tyler Cochran is*
Nothint against the young man, I'm sure he's scholarly.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:45 PM ^
He's the son of Harbaugh teammate Brad Cochran who was a longtime starter at CB. Tyler is also a 3-time Academic All-B1G selection. He had a great forced fumble against Rutgers in 2019 on a kickoff return.
So in another words, he's done more for Michigan Football than anyone posting on this site has.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:47 PM ^
I dunno WD, you rank right up there also!!!
August 12th, 2020 at 9:17 PM ^
No kidding.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:48 PM ^
WD, I logged in just to upvote your statement.
Well said!!
August 12th, 2020 at 8:56 PM ^
“Tyler is also a 3-time Academic All-B1G selection.”
Exactly. And is paying his own way. But he (apparently) can’t have an opinion because, according to like 75% of the posts in this thread, he’s just a football player. Seriously, what is wrong with some of you people?
August 12th, 2020 at 9:25 PM ^
Your post calls for this gif!
August 13th, 2020 at 9:33 AM ^
I don’t think most are saying he can’t have an opinion. I think most are saying “Who is this guy and who cares what ridiculous inflammatory thing he said?”
At least, that’s what I’m saying...
August 13th, 2020 at 10:09 AM ^
He disagrees with them. It's what people do today. If you disagree, they call you names and try to make you toxic. It's the way it is, now.
August 13th, 2020 at 1:14 PM ^
Sad but true, and it happens on this board, too, especially if you have issues with public policy regarding the beer bug.
August 14th, 2020 at 11:45 PM ^
I agree Clarence. The mob mentality of all of these negative "woke" you know whos on this website that don't agree with someone else's viewpoint is certainly driving people away. This site used to be such a great place to be. It is a damn shame that's it's become a CNN message board. Just as it is a shame that the Michigan players and coaches had their season cancelled.
August 12th, 2020 at 9:35 PM ^
I'm gonna go ahead and say that last sentence is wrong. There are several ex-players hanging around here...
August 12th, 2020 at 11:15 PM ^
Well put WD. Let the players have a voice
August 13th, 2020 at 7:39 AM ^
So in another words, he's done more for Michigan Football than anyone posting on this site has.
Mineral King begs to differ.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:33 PM ^
Then you didn’t click the link and read the article. Just say that, rather than dumping on a kid you don’t know. If you had, you would know that the kid IS still on the team (you said soon to be former, which is... true). The kid intentionally didn’t graduate in the spring so he could come back and play this fall. He needed ONE credit and could have taken it in the spring but did not so he could come back to play this season. On his own dime, mind you. I know (most) everyone is going to bypass the long-standing rule here of not dumping on our student athletes, but the human element of this story is pretty crappy and it’s pretty lacking in empathy to NOT appreciate his frustration.
August 12th, 2020 at 9:23 PM ^
Meh, I meant to dump on the article more so than on the kid. I guess my comment sounded pretty douchey in retrospect. Oh well.
August 12th, 2020 at 10:14 PM ^
I get it, and makes sense.
This post is why I appreciate you a lot, as someone who goes back as far as I do. People don’t do this enough anymore.
August 13th, 2020 at 1:02 AM ^
He should see if he can go somewhere he can actually play this season.
August 12th, 2020 at 9:49 PM ^
People are going to get COVID, playing football with the correct mitigation measures does not make that more likely and perhaps affords for earlier detection and treatment of complications. Canceling the football season looks like the easy way out for a commissioner that may be in over his head. Don’t tell me “the school presidents made the decision”, The majority merely agreed with Kevin Warren. Delany would have looked at this at all angles and developed a consensus before making a decision. Mr. Warren appeared to want to be the first power five commissioner to make the decision so he could be the hero. Just like he pulled the trigger on the B1G basketball tournament. Sometimes when you’re new to a job or uncertain in your abilities you overcompensate. He has left a mess of discord between schools and the conference. Nebraska will likely leave for the Big XII not to mention all the recruits bolting to other conferences. Huge mess with a plethora of negative unintended consequences headed our way :-(
August 12th, 2020 at 9:53 PM ^
“Mr. Warren appeared to want to be the first power five commissioner to make the decision so he could be the hero.”
I think in the end analysis, many years later, this will be the end evaluation. It’s the worst kind of pseudo leadership, frankly.
August 13th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^
And I guess this explains the dissonance in your comment below.
August 12th, 2020 at 11:28 PM ^
Delany would’ve handled it like the comedian/masturbator he is - probably by asking osu how they wanted to handle it
August 13th, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^
Here’s what science says: many fewer people will get COVID if we socially distance and avoid other activities that force us in confined spaces in crowds. I know this is hard for propels to accept, especially here.
People said it months ago, and Schlissel threw out the warning then—they are making decisions based on the health and safety of the entire school. And they cannot give preferential treatment to players by isolating them from the rest of the campus, which is the only way football players would not be in danger.
You can continue to beat a dead horse by saying these players are safer because they’d be tested, but testing doesn’t stop them from getting COVID when they go to classes with students who are not tested as vigorously. And you can throw out small percentages all day about the small percentage of students who get mild to sever symptoms, but those in charge (university presidents and their boards) make decisions based on evidence and on reasonable doubt provided by that evidence.
And just because you, because you’re fans or players, want to say that reasonable doubt should be ignored, doesn’t mean those with more authority who think otherwise have heavily weighed their decisions. They’re dealing with an ethical dilemma that extends beyond any one individual. A jury who has evidence that presents reasonable doubt should not convict. A CEO of a chemical or pharmaceutical or any business company who is presented evidence of reasonable doubt about the safety of their product should not put it into production.
There is ongoing, direct evidence that student athletes have been found to have myocarditis as a likely result of infection from asymptotic cases. That is enough for many CEOs to give pause to their intended product launches.
Your own desires for some mental respite and normalcy are why you are so vehemently pissing on the administrators and essentially calling them all kinds of names. Your responses are all individual looking for agreeable individuals, while an executive has to consider the collective outcome.
None of you should be in positions to lead large amounts of other people. If you are, why are you in MGoblog, at all? Folks actually argue that these Presidents hastily and without enough thought cancelled football in the fall knowing that their colleges will lose millions and millions of dollars. That’s predictably arrogant and egocentric American individualism.
Because fans and athletes don’t have access to the same institutional information and see football and the virus impact differently, not only are y’all accusing, some of you are demanding the leaders explain themselves in full detail over and over to date your feelings (which they never will, because y’all just don’t want to move from your own conclusions no matter the evidence and reasoning presented).
No institution is going to provide the public all of the information they have—simply because so many of you would still spend your time loudly pouting out your rationalizations for how these leaders failed (you).
Boo hoo. In their estimation, they are stopping community spread and the long term health impacts on even mild to asymptomatic cases that will result from that spread.
To argue these leaders took tens of millions (perhaps hundreds) in revenue loss lightly or selfishly made the choice is severely moronic. They didn’t get their jobs by being dumb, and they won’t keep their jobs if they fail. Athletes and fans can keep crying and call them names—doesn’t change a thing.
August 13th, 2020 at 12:29 PM ^
??????!!!
August 12th, 2020 at 7:56 PM ^
I'm sure all parties are seriously reconsidering their decisions after being criticized by a walk-on nobody has ever heard of before
August 12th, 2020 at 7:59 PM ^
Putting aside the Covid issue for the minute, is this another OP that thinks an AD needs to be publicly calling out officials, refs and every other person various Mgoblog members are mad it like it's really going to help Michigan get a leg-up with them in the future? By the way, one of the more recent AD's Michigan had tried to do that "smartest guy in the room" shit on the other AD's in the BIG....How'd that work out?
August 12th, 2020 at 7:59 PM ^
I'm quite confident that Schlissel is aware of the importance of football to the university.
August 13th, 2020 at 12:29 PM ^
And from everything I have seen, he has done a great job as president of Michigan.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:04 PM ^
To recap, we have ... A MD-PhD in immunology and microbiology and a professor of molecular and cellular biology with degrees from MIT and Johns Hopkins
versus
A walk-on DB who no one would know if he walked around with a "My Name Is..." sticker on his shirt.
I think Marc Schlissel wins this round.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:19 PM ^
And vs an anonymous troll named benvom
August 12th, 2020 at 8:21 PM ^
So is this the moment the “we don’t trash talk our players”‘policy bites the dust?
August 12th, 2020 at 8:32 PM ^
I don't see any trash talk...
August 12th, 2020 at 8:36 PM ^
Ah yes, making fun of our walk ons is now completely fine. Got it.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:46 PM ^
Agreed.
Beeks is right on this one.
Cochran's place on the depth chart has nothing to do with his credibility or non-credibility on this issue.
Jeebus.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:49 PM ^
But it is ok for said walk on to spout off and call his Prez incompetent???
August 12th, 2020 at 9:00 PM ^
Yes. Absolutely his right. And even if it was not, that has NO bearing on our long standing policy of things WE should and should not say about our players.
August 12th, 2020 at 10:09 PM ^
We have a long standing rule not to trash players for their play/performance. If a player makes douchey decisions off field that rule doesn't stand (cough taylor lean cough). I didnt read what he said, but without reading it I think he has a full right to voice his opinions for better or worse. We can comment on those opinions however and disagree, they are fair game.
August 13th, 2020 at 12:44 PM ^
There's some real dissonance in this comment. Policy here has been to not denigrate the performance of our players, this is a bit different. He's speaking out of turn, and deserves some grief for it.
August 13th, 2020 at 11:05 AM ^
Is it ok for residents of the United States to call their president incompetent? Of course it is. The man is entitled to his opinion, you are entitled to disagree with it
August 12th, 2020 at 8:31 PM ^
Yeah talk about entitlement and a narcissism....sheesh.
August 13th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^
Man, I'm bummed enough the season got cancelled. I can't imagine how angry/frustrated/disappointed I'd be if I were a player, especially a senior. Hopefully, he doesn't come to regret his comments made out of emotion.
BUT, he's not wrong about Schlissel probably owing it to the team, to talk to them in person. It's a life altering decision. Easy enough to say they "deferred to the experts" but it'd be nice to hear what the decision making was based on, especially as a player.
August 13th, 2020 at 11:05 AM ^
I similarly can't imagine how badly/madly I'd feel as a senior football player and he deserves an immense amount of grace for his very publicly professed frustrations. However, that doesn't make his opinion correct. The president most certainly does not owe it to the football team to talk to them in person. Why them and not the field hockey team? Or campus police? Or janitorial staff? Or professors? Or current students? There are innumerable people out there devastatingly affected by COVID and all of them are equally feeling like they're equivalently important to the university. Can you imagine being someone in housekeeping tasked with the immense responsibility of keeping the university clean, and worried about not having enough PPE, and maybe catching COVID, bringing it home to your parents, or possibly losing your job because of funding cutbacks? If I were in their shoes and saw the president having a fireside chat with football players, I'd be furious. Yes, it is devastating to the players. However, it is still sports and there are a lot of people at the university who are actually facing true life altering consequences. I run a research lab at a large Big Ten university with just a few employees in the lab and one of them was COVID pos and had to quarantine. I spent two full days navigating the byzantine process of ensuring everything was done properly with ever evolving guidelines. I cannot imagine the responsibility that comes with Schlissel's position.
TLDR: I feel terribly bad for the football players, I understand and respect their frustration and they deserve empathy and grace, but they are not owed, nor should they reasonably expect the president of the university to sit down with them. He has a lot more on his plate that warrants his time and attention.
August 14th, 2020 at 12:02 AM ^
I wish I had more upvotes for this. Well said.
August 13th, 2020 at 11:08 AM ^
I'm all for Schlissel talking to the teams. He owes them at least that much. But this is Schlissel's specific area of expertise, and there are few people in the entire world who know more about it than he does. If, in his expert opinion, it is far too risky for student-athletes to compete against other schools for the time being, I'll defer to his judgment and decision.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:07 PM ^
Sure, Tyler, the guy with a John's Hopkins PhD is incompetent. He was only the dean of the biological sciences school at UC Berkeley. What the fuck would he know? A free word of advice buddy: shut your pie hole.
August 12th, 2020 at 8:49 PM ^
I'm sure you'd react completely level-headed after having your last season wearing the Winged Helmet taken away from you.
Some of you people on here need to stop quarantining in your ivory towers.
He grew up a lifelong Michigan fan and is heartbroken.