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Not many were very "inspired…

Not many were very "inspired" by the Beilein hire when it was first announced... and it took a while for him to get things going as well.

Well... that would be the…

Well... that would be the thing for Dikenson to say publicly.  That doesn't mean it is 100% true.

I imagine the majority is…

I imagine the majority is from Warde's interactions with Harbaugh over the years (both real and speculated).

Worked with Beilein.

Worked with Beilein.

Wanted it work out for him -…

Wanted it work out for him - still hope he stays involved with the university in some capacity.

No - they are also strong…

No - they are also strong Putin supporters who just run to give the appearance of a choice.  The person running for the Communist Party (don't recall his name) was interviewed recently and asked *repeatedly* why people should vote for him and also why they should vote for him over Putin.  He refused to say anything to advocate for his *own* candidacy but say state often how good & effective Putin was.

Jet fuel.

Jet fuel.

Skip Rudy (he was offsides…

Skip Rudy (he was offsides anyway).

Watch The Quiet Man instead.

You'll feel much better afterwards.

Yet this is why corned beef…

Yet this is why corned beef is consumed by Irish on special occasions - it was considered a luxury there (and why people here now traditionally have it on St. Patrick's Day).

For those born to a split…

Not uncommon.

Being Irish is also a state…

As a person of heavy Irish descent, I will say being Irish is also a state of mind... which is contagious as well.

... and To Hell with Notre Dame Faux Irish!

Blue is also one of the…

Blue is also one of the historically national colors of Ireland:

It says we have a 0.6%…

It says we have a 0.6% chance at #9 and non-zero (but less than 0.05%) chance at #8.

Erin Go Bragh!

May the road rise to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
The rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of his hand.

Erin Go Bragh!

Hughes sounds like.

Hughes sounds like.

LFG!!!

Everyone go to the…

LFG!!!

Everyone go to the game next week!

Don't necessarily envy the…

Don't necessarily envy the person sitting directly behind him.  A nice "cool story, bro" moment, but... probably not a great view of the game.

I outline actual procedural…

I outline actual procedural intricacies and first hand observations from decades of experience and you claim it as "a lot of nothing".

First, perhaps you shouldn't take much stock in what "rivals" post about the academic qualifications of high school students.  Aside from the legal and ethical concerns that poses, one should also consider the *accuracy* of such claims.

Second, one bad result isn't necessarily a deal breaker.  If a kid had a poor result on a standardized test, it can be repeated (people take the ACT multiple times and only need to use their best result - even if someone else knew they bombed it one of the times)... not to mention they can submit other tests (e.g. SAT) in lieu of the ACT.

Third, we *know* from previous experience in recruiting updates that there have been numerous kids that Michigan wanted and informed them early on that they needed to work to get their grades upon before graduation... only to learn that they dud not and those kids ended up playing elsewhere.  It was a common refrain for a while with some coaching regimes - so clearly the admissions standards were not *that* flexible.

LSA is basically a "catch all" college and one needs to look into individual departments there to gauge the academic standards - admission into the Physics or Chemistry degree programs is going to have a different standard than the English, or American Culture programs (just as a few examples).

An image that deserves to be…

An image that deserves to be on the wall at any Michigan bar:

We will never see this again…

We will never see this again.

Never say never.

There are numerous football alumni that could one day possibly come back to coach at Michigan (e.g. Joel Honingford, Junior Hemingway) as well as basketball alumni (e.g. John Horford, Jett Howard).

*Highly unlikely*, but not impossible to have two JH alumni head coaches again.

Has he been out of the game…

Has he been out of the game too long?

Was hoping he could turn it…

Was hoping he could turn it around, but it looks like he's just not made for college head coaching.

2pm today.

2pm today.

Welp.

Welp.

Toledo 2025 regional (BGSU…

Toledo 2025 regional (BGSU host).

Any regional is better than…

Any regional is better than none.

Admissions "standards" and…

Admissions "standards" and comparisons between prospective undergraduate students and transfers from other universities are *not* the same - this is an apples-to-oranges comparison and your citing of various metrics such as GPA and standardized test scores are not as relevant in the latter as they are the former.

And... performing "due diligence" on the academic viability of athletic recruits absolutely *does* come into play for "admission standards more generally"... however you meant for that to be taken.  As I've said, athletes do get some degree of favor when going up against admission standards, but this is only so far (where the exact line falls is purposely vague and not public knowledge, but it is certainly higher than for other universities).  Yet, "admissions" is not simply a one step process - the general university has their process to admit, defer, or deny, but then individual colleges (and some departments) have their own standards on top.  For example: a kid can apply for UM admission and want to go in the College of Engineering; they might pass general university admin but be denied entry into CoE (I personally know some who did - they enrolled in a different college then transfered into CoE after a year or so).

The process is even more difficult for transfer students - Michigan values its curriculum highly and makes it very difficult for outside credits to transfer in (this also brings in more revenue to the school since transfer students may need to take more classes than they would otherwise).  I have also seen this firsthand, both from transfer students that I met that came to UM and later from being part of a department curriculum committee many years ago.  Individual colleges/departments have even much greater influence than the university when it comes to accepting transfer credits as part of *their* curriculum... the *university* might accept a course from another institution, but if the *department* does not it just becomes an elective credit... mostly useless when trying to complete a specific degree.

I'm sorry my statements offend you (for some reason), but you might want to familiarize yourself with the details and process further before getting upset.

I'm also sorry you feel I'm "sanctimonious", but I believe that academics is priority one, two, and three of a major public flagship university and have never hid that position.  I *also* enjoy sports & competition and having Michigan excel at the latter without historically compromising the former is a point of pride as an alumnus & former employee.  I also believe that, regardless of how gifted a student is physically, that should have *zero* bearing on their academic status (including admission & assistance) - it inherently becomes an unfair advantage compared to those students that never had the opportunity (why should an athlete get preferential admission and full ride for playing a game, especially in a non-revenue sport, when a kid in a wheelchair applying to UM has no chance at those - even if both students are academically brilliant?).  The argument that athletics is the best marketing tool for universities is only a half-truth... and far less accurate for schools like Michigan, which never hurts for applicants and has one of the lowest acceptance rates of any public university.

First, the university should…

First, the university should not have separate standards for athlete credits than other students - that would be like a slap in the face to everyone else.  *rimshot*

Second, the issue of transfer credits isn't even uniform across the school (i.e. this isn't the main admissions office causing the problem).  Each department/college within the university has their own standards about determining how many & which credits they will take from outside institutions.  Again - if a problem arises with a certain program, that is something the student (and whoever is working with the to arrange the transfer) should address at the very beginning of the process.  Catch a problem early enough it might be solvable (even by simply applying for a different program).

Third, this is *not* just a "recent" problem only involving upperclassmen transfer credits.  People in our fanbase have been (misguigedly) blaming "admissions" for recruiting issues for *decades*, long before transfers were even a major consideration (with the RR showing prominently since that was a coaching staff *not* understanding the environment where they were trying to bring in kids... they were still recruiting as though they were facing WVU standards).

Planning is everything... and for these salaries there is not much excuse for failing in that.

Put rending their garments…

People rending their garments and pointing angrily at "admissions" need to get some perspective.

Yes - we actually have academic standards and hold athletes to those (including transfers - although athletes *do* get far greater leeway than the rest of the student body).  HOWEVER, this is not a problem with proper planning and due diligence.  Football, hockey and numerous other sports contend with same issues (as did basketball *before* Howard).  This is nothing new.

Blaming anything on "admissions" is like blaming the tides for washing away your beach blanket - the only people seriously impacted are those who didn't think ahead.

Not sure I would say that -…

Not sure I would say that - there are plenty of examples of players (in numerous sports) who were legends while playing but flamed out trying to coach... and probably even more who were relatively unknown as players yet became great coaches.

Juwan is still a legendary player... just maybe not a good HC (in college anyway).

Didn't Hart effectively …

Didn't Hart effectively "leave" right around the same time Harbaugh did (or at least when Moore was announced as HC)?

Thamel wasn't even willing…

Thamel wasn't even willing to wall amongst the UM campus alone in person on gameday - no one *inside* the program is likely to give that unethical hack anything.

Who?

Oh... you mean…

Who?

Oh... you mean Martellus, a frequent favorite of Tim Brando.

It has been for other…

It has been for other threads - not sure if it can be retroactive for a deleted thread.

OT season - the same can be…

OT season - the same can be said for the near majority of posts during this time.

Could you instead leave the…

Could you instead leave the OP and just disable comments?  Putting the issue out of sight puts it out of mind for many.

Just being honest.

Just being honest.

So you enjoy what's…

So you enjoy what's happening to college sports?

Those are not the only…

Those are not the only options.

Glad he's coming back, but…

Glad he's coming back, but hard to get too excited about (yet another) pro sport... where only the teams who buy the best rosters have a chance to win (with hilarious exceptions like Texas A&M under Fisher).  Watching this last team, even before winning the championship, still felt "normal" since (most of) those kids came to Michigan before NIL.

Trying to draw lines about…

Trying to draw lines about which student activities should be considered as "employment" and which student activities should be "volunteer extra-curriculars" is going to cause problems everywhere.

And the marching band is the…

And the marching band is the one that was actually *intended* to be an entertainment product at all.

Ok - then exchange the…

Ok - then exchange the marching band for the cheer squads or something else.  There are numerous other examples that could be cited for this particular thought experiment (which is becoming more than just a hypothetical discussion as the months pass).

And if the faculty go on…

And if the faculty go on strike next Fall semester, it also would not appreciably affect the crowd turnout at football games.  That doesn't mean they also don't do "work" for the university.

You are arguing about the *value* of the work different members of the university perform... but fail to address the matter of it it is (or should be) considered "work" as an employee.

And school sports aren't…

And school sports aren't technically "volunteer"... especially for walk-ons?

Fine - the point is that…

Fine, it is merely a very convenient (and relevant) example for the purposes of discussion - the point is that whether or not someone is considered an "employee" doing "work" has nothing to do with the net revenue (or deficit) of that action.

Sure, most people don't pay to watch the band perform... yet that can just as easily be defined as "work" (in the legally binding sense) as what the players do.

The AD action of hosting…

The AD action of hosting games brings in that money - which goes far beyond simply the student athletes participating.  If anything, one can rationally argue that the student players are the customers: they are being being provided the service of having a football team (and the associated support structures & systems) made available to them by the university.

Again - it *doesn't matter* if the result of the action by an individual adds net revenue to the university or not for it to be considered "work" requiring payment.  The issue is fundamental and you should not fixate upon the numbers (whether the program nets $60M/yr or runs a deficit every year) - that is not the basis for defining employment.

The AD does give…

The AD does give scholarships... to students that participate in AD sports.  That is still essentially keeping the money in house and not adding real benefit/revenue to the rest of the university.  Same for room/board - it is simply moving money around on the university books but not actually adding to the overall budget... and this has been going on since long before the mass monetization of the sports.  The exponential increase in the AD revenue over the past 30+ years has not translated in an exponential increase in money to the academic & support operations of the school itself... only more admins, ballooning salaries, and more buildings for AD use.

They put in almost as many…

They put in almost as many hours in prep as the players, they perform for 100k+ crowds as well as for TV, they have travel and other requirements imposed on them just as the players do, and they also have safety/health concerns during their practice & events (I once saw a Flugelhorn/mellophone player run down from behind by a band director on a golf cart while marching, and have heard stories of worse elsewhere).

Why is one considered "work" and not the other?

I'm saying if the university…

I'm saying if the university wants to wade into the complex issue of what student sports/activities are going to be considered as "paid work" versus others, then get ready for a quagmire of problems to arise.