Oh Shut the fuck up Urban. We don't cheat.
this may be of some local interest
Oh Shut the fuck up Urban. We don't cheat.
Wow I can't decide if this makes him even more of a megadouche or a team player.
I actually don't think this is a bad thing. It's not like he's just complaining about it, he's going to touch on it at the coaches meeting. I think it is important for the whole conference to get better, and if Meyer can help that, why is that bad?
Now, if this is just him flapping his gums to brag about how great he did compared to most of the conference, then he's a megadouche. But if not, it should probably be seen as a good thing. That said, if he has good intentions, I don't see why he needs to go on a radio show to talk about it, but I guess that's how a lot of people do stuff.
SBNation Link I've heard from other sources that he was discussing playing more night games. It's tough for high schoolers to go from their Friday night games to a school's noon Saturday game.
Sidebar: This sounds weird but what do you do for a living? I can kind of tell what most of the big posters around here do but I can't get a read on you.
I sell medical equipment.
Sociology, actually. Not that what I majored in has a whole lot to do with how well I do my job. The people in my field major in a whole range of things from business to econ to psych/soc/comm type majors. But the people in sales with business degrees are usually from smaller/lesser schools - there aren't a whole lot of people graduating from Ross and going into sales.
Awesome. I'm psych/soc actually. I've been taking a lot of polisci classes lately but I'm not positive what I'd like to go into.
Probably grad school :)
With those majors, it sounds like you're thinking about going to law school. Don't.
I second this.
I third this.
Sixth. But seriously just don't go to law school. Anyone out there reading this. Don't go.
We're just two votes away from a unanimous court.
Seventh. And given that she has to live with my debt, my fiance says Eighth.
I'll give my vote too, considering this whole thing kinda started with me saying I was a sociology major.
I went to law school. For about a semester and a half. Now I'm married to an attorney, and I love my job, she hates hers, and we make comparable money (except I came out with less debt).
So yeah, I eighth this, or whatever we're at now.
What company? What equipment?
This isn't a question that someone who wants to maintain any sense of anonymity would answer. I work in consent decree management, everyone who works with me knows me as a Michigan alumnus and a rabid Michigan football fan. Its not a huge field. Its not hard to put two and two together. I respect the non-answer here. Probably best not to ask - or answer.
tell me about it. somehow people on the board found out i'm in the sausage industry and now everyone won't stop hounding me for free samples.
This could be productive if he offers constructive solutions rather than just saying that the conference should do better. I'll bet he does the former.
I watch the autopilot fly airplanes
Understand his reasoning with recruits but I know a lot of fans don't like a ton of saturday night games. Especially, those that travel 2-3 hours to come to a game.
My problem with him saying this was that he said it. He's a douche who craves media attention at all times. There was no need for him to say this. Could you see (I really hate holding him up as some paragon of character, but he kind of is) Brady Hoke saying something like that? I don't.
Urban needs to shut the fuck up (nucky) and take care of his business. Having the discussion with other coaches is fine and well, maybe even a good thing. He made it bad by running his mouth, as per usual.
Exactly. I'm shocked he didn't hold a 30 minute press conference to address how he will address the tiny minds of his fellow B1G coaches. My money says Hoke uses Urban's lecture on recruiting tactics to catch a few Z's, or draw a caricature of the douschebag. I can't wait until he quits on them in the next 3-4 years. It shall be a glorious sight to behold, indeed.
And if he doesn't quit on them, they will quit on him and the Circle of Trust he's created.
It sounds like he was asked a question in an interview, not that he was trying to go out and announce to the world that he personally needs to fix B10 recruiting.
He should have given boilerplate, there was no reason to let the media in on his "plan". I would actually say that this could have been another recruiting act on his behalf, the media parrots what he said, recruits hear it, and it becomes gospel. I really don't like Urban Meyer.
Do you stand in defense of the Anti-Hoke?
The guy went undefeated and has the best recruiting class in the B1G. Whay more can he do?
Also, how does Ole Miss get a top 5 class and schools like Wisconsin, MSU, Iowa can't even land a top 20 class?
If the B1G continues to put out a poor product (aside from OSU and M) then the league as a whole suffers. Adding RU and MD to the mix doesn't help much either.
I just don't see any reason for Meyer to say anything publicly about this. If you are going to address it, then address it directly with the other coaches. Why do you have to go on a radio station and announce that you are going to address it? All this does is solidify to me that Meyer is no different than 95% of Ohio fans I know, arrogant douchebags!!
I don't think his concern for others reaches too far away from Urban, particularly to other coaches.
I don't think his concern for others reaches too far away from Urban, particularly to other coaches.
My interest in the B1G gaining ground on those douchebags down south is in direct conflict of my uninhibited hatred of all things related to Meyer, and Ohio!
My head. asplode.
All in all though, he's got a point. I mean, its been a long time since Purdue was pulling in Drew Brees's and Kyle Orton's, and Illinois, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa and even lil bro have all kind of fallen off the map in terms of recruiting.
Dude is such a dick
...about national recruiting. And laying in the weeds.
Then he will scowl.
And say that we should hear from some other coaches too, and then scowl some more, and then act like a prick some more.
MSU's Mark Dantonio on Urban Meyer comments on B1G recruiting:"No comment, When I say no comment I always add things so i'll just let it go"
It's is actually pretty funny. Glad dantonio is starting to understand when not to say stupid stuff.
I loved when he was asked about Mike Hart calling them little brother. He replies, ''Does Hart have a little brother, or is he the little brother? I don't know, he's about that tall.'' Then he says, ''Let's just say I won't comment on that.''
He's absolutely right. The league needs to pick up it's recruiting and get better overall. Returning to the "Big 2, Little 10" will not help the league's prestige across the country. The other members of the Big Ten need to pick it up.
He may be right about the strength of the league in terms of recruiting, but addressing the coaches about it? That's such a douche move, and there's no way he actually does it. All talk.
Btw, Urban has made it a priority to poach recruits from other Big Ten schools, so he's hardly one to talk.
Michigan got LOIs from a Nebraska de-commit, an Illinois de-commit, and a Penn State de-commit. It's the name of the game-get the best players that you can and don't stop until signing day. You can't criticize Meyer for poaching when we do the same thing...
I'm glad this staff poached and were aggressive.
I'm not criticizing him for poaching. I'm critcizing him for poaching the top recruits recruits from other Big Ten schools, and then complaining about how nobody else in the Big Ten recruits well.
Hell, last year he raided PSU's class like Marv raided Duncan's Toy Chest.
Maybe he just wants more material to poach
This is 1/2 of what makes this statement by Meyer seem so dick to me.
First, there's the "I'm looking out for you, coach whose recruits I'll gladly poach."
Then there's the "Hey Minnesota, I think it's time that you start beating out Alabama, LSU, and Florida for some of these elite Southern recruits. Why can't you get that done?"
When Meyer came, I was part of a small group here that believed he's an excellent coach and a really good guy. I still believe he's an excellent coach, but I sure am changing my mind on that "really good guy" part.
But in Urban's defense, he offers a perfect solution. Just invite some of those southern boys up to a night game to enjoy one of those balmy fall evenings Minnesota is so famous for.
Home Alone 2 reference?! Made my night. But what about the other sticky bandit?
Pretty sure a large part of recruiting, if not the largest part, is recruiting the player all the way to the finish and getting them to sign their LOI. Until they sign the LOI, recruits are fair game. You don't just quit because you're not in the lead. Conversely, you dont just stop recruitingnwhen you get a verbal. Hoke poached 3 in this class. It happens all over the country.
Also, Meyer stated last year that he would not recruit PSU players/recruits...but that he'd listen to them if they wanted out.
The criticism isn't directed at Meyer for poaching recruits. It's for telling the coaches they need to recruit better for the sake of the league - after poaching their recruits. Too bad Bielema left. I'd like to see his reaction.
I hope he addresses it like this:
"Now guys, whenever you want another recruit, just take one from that guy that's at Arkansas now. It'll make him mad and I think that's funny."
I think the problem lies in the fact that he is implying that the rest of the Big Ten isn't trying to recruit well? It's not like Minnesota wants the No. 54 class in the country (just guessing). It's because they are Minnesota and ... yeah. They are Minnesota. Not a hotbed of talent, not an attractive school for top-end recruits.
If the also-ran teams of the Big Ten classes could bring in the best recruits, I'm sure they would.
They did it somehow from the cellar of their conference.
but wouldn't the schools that recruit poorly know they recruit poorly, and not need someone to tell them? Outside of night games or paying players, wouldn't his advice be the equivalent of telling a short person to be taller?
Oh man i would kill to see Dantonio's face during that speech.
Wait a second...you're telling me that isn't Mark's happy face? I really can't tell with that man.
Not just his face. If this conversation ever happens (which it won't), there should be a camera on the face of every single coach in the room. The resulting video would be hilarious.
Execept Hoke. Since we, umm, finished in the top 5. Urban is a piece of shit. Wait til he goes 7-5 and has chest pains and has to renew his family vows.
Yeah, Michigan and Ohio State had great classes. But there is no excuse for teams like Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Penn State (although the sanctions are a deterrent) to have top 25 classes.
*no excuse NOT to have top 25 classes
Penn State kind of has an excuse. It's their own fault, but an excuse nonetheless.
Depends who you mean by "their."
I can think of a few excuses why Iowa and Michigan State will never consistently recruit top 25 classes. Not the least of which is that they are not top 25 programs.
Yeah, but neither are Tennessee or Vanderbilt or Mississippi or Mississippi State. They all had top 25 classes.
Tennessee is one of the clear college football bluebloods. They are second only to Bama in all-time SEC titles and have 6 national titles. They're unquestionably a top 25 program.
2nd largest college football stadium in the country.
I beg to differ. They are no longer a top 25 program. Yes, they have a huge stadium, but they aren't filling it anymore. Their in-state recruiting base is closer to that of Kentucky than Georgia or Florida in the SEC East.
They historically picked off recruits from Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina to build their classes and did so quite successfully. Unfortunately, the rise of prominent programs in that region has given them a lot of competition for those recruits, reducing their success rate and forcing them to cast an even wider net than they had to under Phil Fulmer. They need some of the big name SEC programs to be down for them to be a strong team.
Think about it this way. Michigan depends on Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, and Pennsylvania to bring in a large chunk of its class each year. We'd struggle big-time if Cincinnati, Pitt, and, say, Northwestern got really serious and became legit contenders for Michigan's recruits along with the traditional regional powers. That's how Tennessee is being squeezed. They used to be one of 4-5 big names in the South. Now they're one of maybe 9-10 and none of today's recruits remembers them being any good.
I agree that they compete with more good programs for their recruits, but they're also in on vastly more southern recruits, where the talent pool is much larger. Here are their rivals recruiting rankings for the past 6 years:
2007 - #3
2008 - #35
2009 - #10
2010 - #9
2011 - #13
2012 - #17
Aside from the 2008 outlier when they were transitioning from Fulmer, that's excellent recruitng, and not all that far off pace of Michigan. They've had some coaching issues, so they haven't been great the last 4-5 years (sound familiar?). I think you overestimate the extent to which being a traditional power goes away due to a bad decade. These guys won the national championship less than 15 years ago. They get some good coaching, and they will be right up there with the other SEC powers. Remember how recently Alabama was terrible?
I think what is lost in all this is that Ole Miss is not consistently brining in top 10 recruits. Sure they killed it in recruiting this year, but it's not like this happens every year. A lot of top players were from Mississippi this year and Ole Miss took advantage of that. They had a family history with Robert Nkemdiche, and they got lucky with some other recruits. So to compare a Nebraska or Wisconsin to these other schools is unfair, imo. If it happens on a consistent basis, then I would say there is a problem.
Wiscy just lost their coach and did not hire a big name. Iowa sucks and Nebraska is not what it once was. Vandy, Ole Miss, and Miss St are one the way up and they have an advantage being in the SEC. Tennessee is top program and will eventually be on the rise again. I agree Nebraska should at least be in the top 25.
Well...would you rather play in a nice warm climate down south with gorgeous women, or...Iowa and Nebraska where it's freezing and nothing to do.
Not to feed the RCMB trolls but State has no chance of consistently getting top 25 classes. They're getting the leftovers from the midwest after us and Ohio (and Penn State to some extent) take the players that we want. Sure some guys like Finley and Reschke fall through the cracks but even those guys aren't class makers but rather solid players that help to make up a good class. Staee got hot when RR couldn't quite get a grasp on how to take advantage of the Michigan brand name locally and picked up some good players, those days are obviously over now and little bro will be back to mediocrity. Hopefully we get at least a few good Valenti meltdowns (before he becomes an Ohio fan like the front running twerp that he is)
I dislike Urban Meyer as much as anyone, but we don't need to hate on everything he does just because of who he is.
I swear to God if there was an article talking about how Urban Meyer was donating a kidney to an orphan, people on this board would call him an asshole for it.
What an asshole
It would depending upon whether it was a commitable kidney donation or not.
I'm not hating on him because of who he is. I'm hating on him because he's an asshole, and this is an asshole move.
I'll give him one thing, he is consistent. I thought he was an asshole before he even left Florida, and now he's the asshole coach of our biggest rival. Even more reason to hate on him as far as I'm concerned. In comparison, JT may have cheated and he may have been the coach of our biggest rival, but asshole wasn't a label that comes to mind when I consider his career as a coach.
Just because of who he is??? What other reason is there to hate everything someone does?
The guy is a d-bag. The fact that he is Ohio's coach took him from being a d-bag I didn't care about to being a d-bag I actively despise.
I wouldn't call him an asshole for donating a kidney--I'd call him a wuss for only donating one.
I got a good laugh out of that. Well played, sir.
Hate to tell you, but if Urban keeps recruiting like this, he won't be going 7 - 5. More like 2 losses... one to us and the other in a bowl game.
note: this was in response to a post way up there about Urban going 7-5 then quitting.
Purdue or Illinois will upset OSU next year for this latest indignity.
What, so Urban gets a bigger pool of 4 star athletes to poach?
Why else would he be so pissed? He can't take any kids away from Hoke, and there's a big drop off after us in the conference.
In the SEC he could try and steal from Saban, Miles, Petrino, and Spurrier, along with Bowden/Fisher.
Conley? Le sigh...
He's welcome to donate some of his recruits to the rest of the conference if he's so concerned.
I see this conversation going well. "Hey guys, some of us recruit OK, but the rest of you guys kinda suck. Maybe you should do better. Awesome."
I would be pissed if I was another coach...Urban beats out other Big 10 schools for some top recruits, then has the nerve to chastise their coaches for not hauling in better players? Guy's going to get punched.
Can you imagine this blog's reaction if Dantonio punch Meyer? I mean, the guy would be the weirdest super hero ever.
Is he saying the rest of the Big Ten coaches are phoning it in? On the heels of recruiting violations for his school no less? That's like Lance Armstrong accusing other cyclists of being lazy. Maybe he can do a session on "Using Your Health as an Excuse to Bail on Your Team". I didn't dislike him but he just made my list....once I actually get off my ass and actually write those names down.
I think you guys are misunderstanding what he's saying. I think he wants to brainstorm ways to be more effective. There is no question that the B1G is behind. Night games were mentioned. That's a good point because a lot of recruits in the south have a long ways to go to get to a Big Ten game while some can drive or take a real short flight to an SEC game. I don't think this has to do with him chastizing the rest of the coaches as much as it has to do with figuring out ways to structure things in the conference to make recruiting easier or make the conference more attractive. It's pretty clear the BTN hasn't pushed them over the top. Ofc course, this comes from someone not in the "Fuck all things Urban" state of mind.
I believe it was Abraham Lincoln who once said it best, "go fuck yourself, Urban Meyer."
It was along the lines of, "If you are Urban Meyer, I will attack you with the North."
Thank you. I was trying to remember this quote all night and BOOM, there is was.
I am on a crowded train into NYC and I think that the lady sitting next to me now thinks that I am insane for chuckling to myself over that one.
You know what? Man has a point.
Here's the big 10, the land of TV revenue and money money money. And this conference has been mediocre for the past 6-7 years (aside from 2009).
It's time to step up. And clearly the coaches here seem uninspired to improve their teams, coaching staffs, and players.
When Vanderbilt and Stanford are assembling top 20 recruiting classes, what excuse do all these top-flight universities have?
Great schools, great conferences, booming football culture...if James Franklin and David Shaw can sell 50,000 seat stadiums, please tell me what excuse does the big 10 have. I don't want the SEC to dominate the Big 10 for the next 25 years.
James Franklin and David Shaw. You're on to something there. Maybe the issue that needs to be addressed is with the AD's and presidents to start ponying up some bucks and retaining coaches(Bielama) and also start finding some bright young coaches to join the league.
I'm sorry but Beilema was never a very good coach. He had a sysem that worked well, but he didn't recruit great, was one of the worst coaches ever in game, and acted like he was some great guy. One of those holier than thou's and then he joins the conference he always talked bad about? I understand retaining coaches, but you used the worst possible example. Especially since Wisconsin probably got a better coach out of the deal. I'm not saying 100% they did, but I venture to guess the new coach will be better than BB.
It certainly is a good point, regardless of if you like BB. The point is we don't pay assistant coaches in the bi6 near par with the SEC. We can't hope to win at the highest level when we aren't optimizing our money money money for wins wins wins.
I think that's a heckuva valid point.
Hate Bielama all you want but he was successful and the tire fire that is Arkansas shouldn't be poaching coaches from our top programs.
Wisconsin has won 3 Conference Championships since 2004.
Michigan, with far better talent and three different coaches, has won 0.
He was a very good coach.
But I think the three different coaches factor mitigates the far better talent point slightly.
he is effectively saying "My team is awesome and you are not." And this is never received well.
Why didn't he just stay at Florida????
Because he saw the writing on the wall.
He knew that if he couldn't beat Alabama even with Tim Tebow (they got killed in the ESS EEE SEE championship game in Tebow's senior year...dude was in tears over it), he would have no chance at all after he graduated.
Meyer is among other things an opportunist and he has no qualms about recruiting some really shady players (Cam Newton got kicked out of UF; most people don't remember that), but one thing he did not do at Florida was grayshirt or oversign. It was one thing that he and Mark Richt had in common.
Either that or the fact that his wife allegedly caught him allegedly cheating with an alleged co-ed at Florida, thereby allegedly causing his retirement for "family reasons." Allegedly, of course.
Good thing he was "cured" in one season...
I kinda hope that Urban does give the talk so that Brady can loudly and visibly sleep through it since he doesn't need to hear it,.
sawing logs . . ..
To piggy-back on the OP's talking points, it was also discussed on the same 97.1 that Urban wants to have more night games to compete with the SEC with recruiting, etc.
Yeah, because fill in the blank 5 star from south florida or texas wants to play in late November, at night, in 30 degree weather.
Then do them in September and October. And not every top recruit is from the Sun Belt, there are lots of East Coast and Midwest recruits picking not-Big Ten schools.
I don't understand the whole night game gleam. Yeah it's special once in awhile. But every freakin' week is out of hand and is ridiculous.
I literally took naps before nearly every game this past season because I had no other way to pass time without feeling like waiting forever.
We wouldn't want to inconvenience you. You are one of the worst posters on here.
That's not very nice.
Why? Because you don't agree with my opinions? Oh, that sucks. Well, I guess you're gonna have to deal with it because I'm not going anywhere.
Why do people ever say "you are one of the worst posters on here"? What's the point? You're not going to persuade people to stop posting, and you just come across as mean. Besides, have you really been keeping track of every poster's contributions to the point where you've singled a select few out as the worst?
If only Wolverine could replicate your insights into Michigan sports provided over the last week:
"Trannnys are the best of both worlds"
"Hookers are the only women you can get"
"Is it weird that Jalen's legs turn me on?
I don't think game time temperatue matters that much. Climate in general? Sure, but not specifically gametime. Besides you can also pitch the aspect that it's not so hot for so long up here.
Considering we just had a top 5 recruiting class for the 2nd straight year. I would label this under not an issue but thanks for your concern Urban. Not!
I'm sure Meyer won't be focusing on Hoke when he addresses the coaches on this issue.
obviously he should since Hoke can't close on elite recruits, duh
Can he also talk with them about coaching football? I think he needs to have a talk about coaching football too. It needs to be brought to their attention.
This is a completely self-serving move by Urban. Urban doesn't give a DAMN about the "strength of the conference"....this is just a chance for him to keep the spotlight on him and his success as a recruiter. This is Urban saying, "Look at me, I'm a great recruiter, and I want to remind you guys of that fact so that future recruits will choose me too"
The next time Urban does some selfless act, to benefit the other conference teams that he's competing against, it will be his first. Please, Urban's middle name is Massengill.
It's in OSU's best interest to be in a well regarded, competitive league. Honestly? Meyer may be a dick, but he produces results.
Contrast this attitude with that abortion of a football game - Iowa's loss to Nebraska in November 2012 when they wouldn't even throw downfield beyond 5 yards late in the fourth...that's B1G football in a nutshell.
This league needs a serious wake up call. A shock to the system. Otherwise it's more stagnation and decay.
And this is precisely the wake up call they need: Urban Meyer making an announcement that he'll address poor recruiting? I was born at night, but not last night. Who among us really thinks that Urban is looking out for the rest of the B1G? This is just self-serving drivel from a raging egomaniac.
OSU beats up on everybody aside from M like they were a MAC team. How does that held their NCG hopes? Dude is arrogant and the opposite of Hole, but he's right.
Alternatively, why revenue share with losers?
During Sam Webb's signing day show he kept trying to get the Michigan coaches to give some advice to Dantonio, so he might do better next time. They wouldn't bite. Sounds like Meyer heard the broadcast too.
...but what if he actually has some decent things for Indiana, Minnesota to hear? Is Jerry Kill wearing clothes and speaking English on his recruiting visits? If not, Urban could have some solid advice.
I may be naive, but I actually think Urban is trying to help those that he is not threatened by.
Quick request for fact check: how many top (elite?) recruits from MN went to non-Big Ten schools? How many recruits did Jerry Kill cost the Big Ten?
There are no elite recruits in Minnesota. But on the rare occasions there are (eg Michael Floyd) they go somewhere else.
Seantrel Henderson was from MN. Went to USC then transferred to Miami (YTM) after one season.
What Urban is trying to say is that you need to pay your recruits like the SEC.
Will Brady Hoke caveat on how to do it cleanly? Or better yet, will Dantonio interrupt him claiming that this event is about Ohio State's program and if anyone wants to hear they can go in the back corner.
Surprisingly, I think his intent is of the pro-B1G variety and less pounding his own chest. However, it comes across very dickish. One would think he'd have a mental filter for those things and either word them better or not say them at all.
Well I think addressing Michigan will not be on his list, as UM and OSU are the only ones in the conference pulling their weight. I do think a school like Indiana is doing better than expected. Its the schools like Iowa, Nebraska and Wisconsin, that have the resources to compete for elite recruits, that need to get their shit together. Even MSU should be recruiting better than it is.
The Big Ten will always have to contend with the fact that certain schools like Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and probably Indiana and Purdue, are not in states that produce the quantity of football talent that exists in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and most of the SEC states. To call them out on not keeping up is lame and classless.
Is Minnesota going to start grabbing top talent from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Alabama? Never, so they have to constantly fight to keep up. Plus, they don't cheat like Ohio and the SEC.
Basketball of course is a different story and the entire Big Ten excels relative to the SEC.
Urban Meyer is a self-absorbed asshole.
To all of the posters saying, "well he has a good point" - that still doesn't mean he's not an asshole.
You could make a good point that a fat woman is fat, but it's still a dick move to say something like that and offer to help her lose weight completely unsolicited.
If the other coaches were asking for help it'd be another story, but this is pretty condescending.
I'd love to see Dantonio sock Urban in the jaw. My God. Did I just support MD? What is wrong with me...
Douche canoe v. Douche yacht.
Please please please. I would LOVE for this to happen!
1) There is 1/4 the talent in the midwest as there is down south. Argue against it all you want, but for purposes of football, the demographics make it so and population growth has made it more so. Fortunately, since Michigan is one of the only 2-3 teams to get all of that talent, we should be competing with the top of the SEC in a couple of years. But that leaves scraps for the rest of them. It's not like Iowa can just grow great athletes there that Michigan / Ohio wont grab, and good luck getting a kid to fly over Gainesville, Tallahassee, and Tuscaloosa to go to Iowa City.
2) The SEC is willing to pony up the dough for top flight head coaches, facilities, and assistants. I don't find it a coincidence that the only two B1G schools that are paying their coordinators SEC money are recruiting and soon to be performing like the SEC schools. Bielema left for this reason, and I would be shocked if D'Antonio wasnt in the SEC within a few years. You're already behind the 8 ball in regards to location and weather. If your facilities and coaches can't stand up to the recruiting competition, they you don't stand a chance.
Not to get too pedantic and such, but your concept that the midwest talent pool is shallow strictly based upon demographics is false. 1/4 of the talent in the midwest vs. the south? Umm, no - in fact, the midwest (IA, IL, IN, MN, MI, WI, OH, MO, and WV) has only 0.8% less overall population than the south (FL, GA, NC, SC, AL, MS, TN, KY, LA, and AR). Are you trying to make some other statement here beside the fact that you don't have a real good grasp of demographic facts?
One hand, Meyer comes off a smug c**t for looking like he's telling others how to do their jobs - especially as he's poaching players.
Other hand, he knows the conf should be doing better overall, and maybe wants to discuss strategies to bring them more in line with SEC attractions (pressuring for more night games a start). Knows if the conf is noticeably behind the SEC, tougher sell for him.
You can bet that whatever else Ole Miss did, they can sell playing in the SEC every week nicely. Thier exposure is through the roof.
Mark D'Antonio has no need of any advice from anyone, naturally.
2nd year coach in the Big Ten ordering everyone around. This will go over well.
What does Urban think they're doing with their time??
Urban to Ferentz: "Kirk, you should try recruiting 4 and 5 stars instead of 2 and 3 stars!"
Kirk: "WOW URBAN. WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT. HEY JERRY, URBAN SAYS WE SHOULD RECRUIT 4 STARS."
Jerry Kill: "OOOOHHHH I HADNT THOUGHT OF THAT. THANKS URBAN! YOURE SO SMART"
Why Meyer believes he is the person to start this particular discussion is beyond me, and there is no part of me that believes he is that interested in the welfare of the conference as a whole, but so the board has some numbers:
Looking at Rivals, the SEC teams are averaging 25 commits with an average star ranking of 3.36 and 2155 points. The Big Ten, on the other hand, averages 21 commits per team, an average of 3.05 for star ranking and 1645 points. Per Rivals, 5-star commits make up 4.2% of the total recruits, compared to 1.8% in the Big Ten. The Big Ten makes up for it in three-stars, which comprise 72.7% of all Big Ten recruits this year, compared to 60.2% of SEC recruits.
We do sit about 10% behind the SEC for an average ranking, but the way this seems to work out over time, that's a significant deficit and would take years of all teams in the conference recruiting well to overcome. If there is anything to point out in some of the measurables anyway, it is that the Big Ten is definitely skewed towards certain teams in terms of recruiting, whereas the SEC actually has a somewhat more even distribution (that is to say, 6 of the 12 Big Ten teams have an average star rating above 3.00, compared to 13 out of 14 SEC teams).
The causes of that distribution would be an intriguing "deep dive", as they call them in business sometimes. That being said, the Big Ten sits in a culturally and geographically distinct area when it comes to football and football recruiting, so I don't know exactly what Urban wants to get out of talking about this.
Would Meyer be the person to address this? No, and it certainly is not for lack of trying in a competitive recruiting world on the part of his colleagues, so for him to lodge the complaint is irritating and makes it seem like he doesn't believe people are doing their best. I have to believe this is going to be veiled griping about how he can't recreate Florida.
Frankly, he's right. There are two primary reasons the Big 10 doesn't compete well nationally:
Michigan finally figured out they need to pay top dollar for coordinators and assistants, but much of the conference hasn't. Whether or not you believe it, Beilema gave assistant pay as one reason he left a nice seat at Wisconsin for a 2.5 year tour de force in Arkansas.
The Big 10 also has to recruit better to be a national player. Michigan is just digging out of the talent hole, and it was apparent that they weren't on the same level talent-wise as Virginia Tech, Alabama, and South Carolina. The rest of the conference is the same way. This is especially important given that Penn State is about to go down into a deep dark place for a few years.
"The Big Ten also has to recruit better." What exactly do you want them to do? Do you think other teams aren't trying?
Yes I am Bucks fan.
But that doesn't change what I am seeing around the B1G.
Outside of us and you guys, the other teams and fans for that matter are just rolling over.
Ask an Iowa fan about their team. If you can find 10 of them that do anything more than shrug about the poor play from their team I would be surprised.
Even Nebraska is slouching off. There is no excuse for them to not be a top 10 class.
On the B1G being within 10% of the ranking of SEC recruiting, well, pull OSU and Michigan out. To make it even pull BAMA and Florida out.
Is the B1G still within 10% of the SEC?
Even at that 10% in skill difference is 80% chance of a head to head loss.
What are you talking about? What does "slouching off" mean? Some fans in Iowa are apathetic, therefore the Big Ten can do much better in recruiting? Please, give us some specifics. What great secrets is Urban going to share with the rest of the conference? Do you have a single shred of evidence that other teams are just "rolling over," or do you just love throwing out stale sports cliches?
Welcome to the Board! That said, I think the B1G will always be at a disadvantage when recruiting against the SEC. Teams like Minnesota and Wisconsin have no chance against equivalent teams like Ole Miss and Mississippi State, for example. The weather is warmer down there, the girls prettier, the academics arguably less stringent, and the factc that the SEC is considered a better conference will continue to permiate the recruiting process.
Without going into whether I agree/disagree with DaveBuck above, I took part of his post (perhaps incorrectly) to be referencing what I might call "demand" from the fans?
With the basic idea that the fans have not been more demanding of success by the specific university, athletic department, and football team/staff. Because of historical successes, both OSU and Michigan's respective fan bases have inredibly high (unrealistic, really) level of demand and expectation for their teams year after year.
So, does the "will" and "complaining" of the fan base have a direct effect upon recruiting and other success of a program? Probably not, or at least to such a small degree that it is de minimis. That being said, I don't think the thrust of the larger argument is completely worthless, either.
I.e., how much whining, complaining, and additional support ($$$) from the fans will it take for Nebraska to go buy James Franklin from Vanderbilt, for instance.
Or I could be crazy . . . that's possible too.
Even with the well documented deficiencies we've had in recent years I don't see why it is apparent we had less overall talent than either Virginia Tech or South Carolina.
A. He's right
2. Perfect venue
And......he's calling his shot rather than just springing on people. I say applaud his balls if not his brains.
MGrowOld. You like quite good in the new pic.
he is going to stop by UM Hospital and address better health care and then off to DC to straighten out Obama. Watch out God, you could be next.
I'm confused over how I feel about this. I think everyone agrees. But what is Urban telling folks for? Can you imagine Indiana suddenly, you know, like recruiting better b/c of what he says? Urban's going to give them a pep talk or a lecture? I don't get it exactly, and I don't see how it will help even 1%. This won't motivate them any more than they are already motivated.
And not Illinois or Wisconsin? Why does Broman Brett go to Arkansas?
B1G is not competitive.
Warmer climate, prettier girls, easier classes (?), shadier recruiting (?) etc. Kids focus on these kinds of things.
Do they really? We just witnessed Mississippi pull in a fantastic class and they're historically as bad as Indiana. I think he's telling every coach BUT Hoke that if you want to win nationally you've got to get the top recruits. And to get those kids you've got to change your way of recruiting.
The weather didnt hurt OSU or Michigan. Why was it such an issue everywhere else?
Because ][V][ and OSU are steeped in football tradition with fan bases that extend far and wide. IU/Iowa/MSU/NW/Minn does not. Mississipi has football tradition and warm weather and hot women. That's a tough combo to compete with if you're not ][V][ or OSU.
Obviously, there seems to be a wide range of opinion on this board. While his statement(s) may not have been necessary or appropriate, I don't think they are wrong. I took it more as him saying, "Look, if we, as the B1G, want to get collectively better, we may have to change some of the tactics we have always used." Implicit in that statement is certainly a degree of cockiness, but I'm not sure how you get around that (other than not saying it, obviously).
I guess I'm viewing like a CEO (of a major recording label) saying to the other CEO's, "Hey guys, we've been in this industry for a long time, but things have really changed (digital media, for instance) and we, as a group, better figure out how we can adapt if we have any hope of still being relevant in the next decade."
Without all of the explicit collusion and other Antitrust issues, of course.
EDIT: User stephenrjking just below said all of this much better than I. Read his.
Who died and made this ass clown king? If we're going to have a conference leader, shouldn't it be someone who's going to be around in 5 years?
Presuming he brings this up in a professional way, I have zero problem with this. Urban seems to think that a rising tide lifts all boats; if the whole conference recruits better, all the team will be better off. It's not like he's complaining that the B1G schools are holding him back. And, coming from the SEC, he knows what he's talking about.
The fact is, the Big Ten struggles not because of revenue and not even so much because of less talent availability (that's part of it, but a small part) but because a lot of schools just don't take football that seriously. They have small-time visions for what competitive football looks like. At best, they occasionally compete for a Big Ten title and then get slaughtered in minor bowl games by some SEC team that pulls in top-15 classes but can't cut it against the big boys.
I think he is addressing the guys that get away as much as anything. We can speculate (with, admittedly, some evidence) that LaQuon Treadwell just went for the cash, but in the bigger picture he is just another player in the B1G footprint that went somewhere else. A lot of guys have been doing that. And, further, a school like Minnesota shouldn't be bringing up the rear in the conference. It should be able to compete all over the midwest. Right now it recruits at MAC level.
Someone mentioned that the B1G needs a wake-up call; they're about to get it, in the form of Michigan and Ohio State crushing the rest of the conference for the next few years.
EXTREMELY well written. I completely agree with everything you wrote and the only thing I have to add is I have nothing to add.
He brings it up first during a radio interview.. Any chance of a thoughtful conversation with his coaching peers was lost at that moment.
Maybe kids nowadays just don't like corn, so they are trying to get away from the Midwest as soon as possible. I know it's hard for me to trust anything with so many ears. What is corn listening to!?!
The fact that he was on discussing this with the Fan means that he is incapable of bringing this up in a professional way.
Minny was competing in the Big Ten and going to bowl games on a regular basis BUT they decided to fire the coach who was responsible for that success - Glenn Mason.
i dont see why (if sensere) adressing the issue is a problem for all of the coaches to discuss how to recruit better. Each program is going to compete regardless for recruits whether they are not doing good on the recruiting trail or not. But if the confrence as a whole can recruit better, the better the strenth of schedual each team will have year in and year out in the confrence... which in turn will improve in each programs ranking. Which is exactly what the SEC has in their favor. It's almost always better for an SEC team to loose to another SEC team like even Miss State than an out of confrence team like Texas or someone which will in turn make each team's stature and prestiege in the confrence better. If each program in the B10 recruited better, they would play better and win more games which in turn would make the programs have more draw to them like a minnisota or northwestern in the eyes of many more recruits in the B10 area and would have many other recruits from different parts of the country looking to the big tens way to play football because each program has raised its profile.
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on the recruiting trail, and newcomer Urban gets out of his Mercedes to tell them just how bad they're doing and how they can stop fucking things up for him.
In other words, he's Alec Baldwin in "Glengarry Glen Ross."
that Big Ten schools have academic standards that prevent them from taking kids that SEC schools can.
More specifically, can Ole Miss take kids that, say, Minnesota (or Iowa, IU, MSU, Wisconsin, etc) cannot, for academic reasons?
Not really. Except for maybe Northwestern, they all follow the minimum NCAA guidelines. Some schools, like OSU and Michigan will take fewer academic risks because they can get away with it. For example, Minnesota, especially under Mason, took plenty of borderline academic players.
...he's trying to get all the B1G coaches to get on board with oversigning.
Disagree. Florida and Georgia were vocal in the SEC against oversigning.
Recalibrate thy meter of sarcasm.
Moreover, even if I was serious, one doesn't neg someone simply for disagreeing. I don't know who it was, just sayin.'
We ALL should agree with Meyer.
He's exactly right (and Hoke is too). this is going to get WAY out of hand. And for Urban to say it is HUGE. Urban, Hoke, Mack Brown, Will Muschamp, and Nick Saban have nothing to worry about...the rules HELP them. Yet, they seem to be the most upset.
Why? Because they don't need help. They can relax over the summer knowing "This is Michigan." "We're Alabama." etc. --- now they're going to have to outwork the James Franklins of the world who are going to take advantage of this deregulation more than anyone.
If you look at the athletic departments on the "black/red lists" there is a reason there are more B1G teams in the black financially and more SEC teams in the red financially. There is something to be said for running a non deficit sports organization. If Urban's goal is to get other B1G schools to spend more on recruiting to be good at football but the result is even more athletic departments end up being a drain on the schools/states finances, well, go back to the SEC. It will all come crashing down someday. Just look at Tennessee's once proud program which is @ $200 million in debt. No thanks. Athletic departments can't run in the red forever.
Yo dudes. I was reading some comments by people who listened to the actual interview and he didn't criticize the rest of the big ten. All he said was that the ban on night games hurts recruiting in the conference and he wanted to address that when they met. He also said that the SEC has been doing better than then big ten in recruiting rankings, which is completely true. Everyone needs to chill out. The paraphrasing done by that douche who put this out was fabricated, based on people who listened to the interview.
Thanks for clearing that whole thing up.
Honestly, what is Urban going to tell the other coaches? I ask that question sincerely. Is Urban really going to give the other coaches anything of substance, or just a bunch of fluff? I can't see Urban giving out any "trade secrets" or really anything of much substance to the other coaches.
Urban to Indiana: "If 2 naked hostesses waiting in your recruit's bed doesn't work, try putting 3 in the bed"...."on second thought, you guys might as well put 30 girls in there...and a donkey"
Urban to Dantonio: "Quit mean-mugging me, Mark. Don't be such a hater, just because I have your dream job that you were passed over for. That's it, no recruiting tips for you!"
Urban to Minnesota: "1 cup snake-oil, 2 cups sugar, 2 eggs,....ehhh, F**k it! Better just go with 2 girls, 1 cup"
Coach of the reigning Big Ten champs. Oh wait....
Last season they went 12-0 and beat us. They'd probably have beaten ND for the BCS Championship if not for sanctions that were enacted before he came to OSU. I'm not sure your comment stings as much as you'd like.
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In principle, I agree with what Meyer wants to do. Let's be honest. Michigan and OSU carry the banner for the conference, and no one else is remotely close in terms of recruiting right now. I get it at a place like Indiana which has been horrible forever, but a place like Nebraska has no excuse to not reel in top classes. To say that the schools are apathetic is BS, but there is a glaring issue. The only school I'd grant a pass to right now is Penn State considering their situation, and they came out of this recruiting cycle pretty well this year all things considered. If BOB stays through the sanctions and maintains a competitive program, I think he could reel in top-10 classes annually. All he has to do is say he coached Tom Brady. But I digress.....
That being said, I don't think it's Meyer's place to address this. The last thing anyone like Ferentz, Kill or Dantonio are going to want to hear is a guy like Urban Meyer telling them they suck at their jobs and can't recruit worth a shit. I mean, what can Meyer say that's really going to help? "Hey guys, I know you think 2-3 stars are good, but have you tried 4-5 star guys?"
Elite recruits want to play for elite coaches that have won national titles (Meyer). The want to play in warm weather (SEC). They want to play at tradition-rich schools with rabid fan bases that can challenge for national titles now, or very soon (Michigan). A school like Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota or Illinois just doesn't offer any of that right now. They've been mediocre programs for years. Why would an elite recruit want to play there?
I think all Meyer is doing is burning bridges with the other coaches. They'll make it very clear that they don't give a shit what Meyer thinks, and that will be that. I do think Meyer cares about the state of the conference, but I don't doubt for a second that part of this is to keep the spotlight on himself, and give him another avenue to pump his chest and announce to the world what a badass he thinks he is.
Historically Nebraska's hasn't pulled great recruiting classes.
Urban is right that other than UM and Ohio the B1G recruiting is pretty crappy, but it still sucks having to listen to that douche pontificate about anything.
Sure he's right. But I could say my mother in law is fat. I'd be right but that's self-evident. Unless I do something to help her I'm just being an asshole. Water is wet, sure. But until I do something to change that, I should probably shut the fuck up.
Meyer is a jackass. Once Saban got going, he couldn't stop him. I really don't like Saban either, but he doesn't try and seem likable. It's crazy to say, but meyer gives me the perspective to actually kind of respect mark dantonio, who is probably fucking pissed about these comments. I think Meyer will be gone by within 3 years.
Sometimes players give other teams bulletin board material for one game. Meyer just gave every single team in the Big Ten bulletin board material for every game in conference for years to come. And most teams already play up when going against ohio. Good luck with that!
I shalt not defend
A prick of that magnitude
Thinking out loud on where a typical mid tier Big 10 program should rank, I dont see how it does much better than 30s.
Here is how I broke it down - you have the 4 traditional powers in the Big 10: Blue, Ohio, Nebraska, PSU. The latter has an issue for the next couple of years so anything in the top 20 would be a very good showing.
Outside those 4 you have the new "power": Wisconsin. By power I mean a top contender the past 10-20 years.
So the question is outside the big 4 who does Wisconsin and the "next tier": MSU, Iowa, Purdue (?), Illinois, Northwestern (?) fall in national rankings. Northwestern has academic requirements so won't fit in this.
Cross reference this with the national power grid right now which I will split into blue bloods and in fashion power - I don't see a great case for the Big 10 next tier doing much better than they do now.
Blue bloods, in no order
In Fashion power/next tier
This is 24 slots. Add the power 4 of the Big 10 and you have 28. Add Wisconsin and you have 29. I didnt even include programs like Arkansas which again on conference, weather, women, and proximity to most top end recruits smacks an Iowa, MSU, or Illinois.
Of those 29 there are 20 clearly better (current competitive) programs OR traditions than MSU, Illinois, Minnesota, Purdue or whomever in the mid tier Big 10 you want to throw against. So even if those programs compete with the low end of the 29 teams above they are battling West Virginia, TCU, OK State, and Kansas State - yes maybe more tradition here but the average 16 year old cares about playing time, making it to the league, TV appearances (main Big 10 advantage), weather, and women.
All other things being equal MOST kids will also wish to play closer to home ON AVERAGE. And where is most of the top tier talent outside of PA and OH - closer to those schools on the lists above ex Boise State. Notre Dame, or Nike aka Oregon. So why should the Big 10 mid tier rank higher then 26th or 33rd or 37th in any year? And is there really a quantitative difference between ranking 29th vs 35th annually. Nah.
My opinion is PSU is down for now for obvious reasons and is weighing down the conference. Nebraska is Nebraska - only so many kids are going to cornfields regardless of succces in the Osborne era (but they should still be top 15 annually) and Wisconsin has overachieved with MSU type classes. The laggard in terms of potential in the Big 10 IMO is Illinois, it should be there at the top of the 2nd tier. Everyone else is where they more or less fit. MSU is doing fine with what they are 25-40th type program. Who else in the conference should be "leaps and bounds" ahead of OK State and West VA or UCLA or South Carolina? No one - they are where they belong.
The Big 10 is what is it, a relatively top heavy conference with 1 of its traditional powers neutered (offset by the ascension of Wisonsin the past 2 decades) and a middle tier with the exception of Illinois (IMO) right where it belongs. Very similar to the Pac 10 with better TV ratings and more money. Hard to make an arguement the middle tier should be recruiting anything more than 25-45 as they do now.
This is way too rational. Good post.
To be fair, Kentucky had the 11th best class in the SEC and it would have been the 4th best in the big ten. We aren't catching them in percpetion anytime soon if that holds up.
I'm wondering how much of our recent recruiting success has to do with the traditional other local powers (Ohio, ND) seeming to focus away from the Midwest. Very few ND recruits come from the area, and only half of the Ohio State kids do. My understanding is that with Tressel, any talented kid from the state would get offered, thus preventing us from getting them, or making it much less likely. It seemed Meyer was very slow to offer Ohio/area kids, which left us to swoop in. Obviously, we still might get some, but if even half the Ohio kids in our class went to OSU, we'd have a much less rosy picture on our hands. Not saying this is good or bad or whatever, just a conjecture.
In terms of recruiting, it's hard to say, because the SEC is seemingly so dirty that I would never advocate playing in that mud. But, on the flip side, it seems like with all the money the conference gets, you'd think the B1G could figure out a way to legally use it to attract recruits. Look at the basketball league: good recruiting, money spent on the programs, great balance and power. Not sure why this is not replicable in football.
Hopefully the other coaches will have the honor of touching Urban's cloak.
I wonder if a lot of B10 schools have shitty facilities compared to the SEC? I'm pretty sure that Michigan, OSU, and PSU have top notch facilities, but do the others? Also, is the B10 old fashion in the way they run their football programs. Gene Smith and Dave Brandon seem to know how to run a athletic department in today's environment. I believe Pork boy bailed on Wisconsin because he knew that Wisconsin would never be elite because the school didn't operate their athletic department in a way that made the most of their resources.
you mean smoking hot coeds and a nice warm climate for most of the year, then yes most of the big ten does have shitty facilities compared to the SEC.
I don't care about Urb wanting to discuss B1G recruiting with the coaches (I'm sure that conversation will go well), but more night games...in Columbus? That sounds perfectly safe for visiting fanbases and teams.
if someone like Berkley Edwards sees this, or any kid who got schollies to B1G schools will see this as a slap in face. If they're worth their salt that is.
Brother will probably tweet about it
He's a collossal douche because he takes a job at OSU, recruits well, and thinks that entitles him to tell all the other coaches how to recruit.
Tell him to go through a couple recruiting cycles with IU, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. and get back to us on his advice.
He's also a megadouche because he is publically denouncing the performance of the B1G.
I'd like to see Urban try to recruit as well as he did at Ohio at someplace like Minnesota.
lure the coaches out of their offices so he can screw their female grad assts while they are out.
The BIG is never going to oversign and pay recruits with cars and TATs like Ohio did and the SEC does. He should just keep his mouth shut and dance around his office about his awesome schedule he plays at Ohio.
He is the perfect coach for the school and fan base. That school doesn't give 2 sh*ts about eduction and their fan bases morals rival Satan and I'm not kidding. Cheering for cheaters at half time of our game proved that they are idiots once and for all.
They got lucky and hid behind Penn States sad story last year and acted like paying kids who already get a free education wasn't a big deal and lying about it.
Because with football being a relatively new sport around these parts, someone from a place like the SEC can tell us how it's done.
I don't trust this guy. I think the only reason this even bothers him is because he knows that those other B1G schools won't be recruiting nationally and instead will most likely be taking recruits away from the other schools in the B1G that DO recruit more regionally or primarily in the Midwest (Like Michigan, Nebraska, PSU MSU etc..)
I don't like the guy and if he wants to address things with the B1G coaches that's fine but saying that on the radio is first class douchery.
That aside, we have no clue what ideas he may have. Night games make sense, more money for assistants makes sense. Beyond that we don't know what he may suggest. He's been in the thick, he may have seen good/legal plans to forward programs. After all he's been around.
New teams can become "it" schools by quality of play, that isn't happening in the B1G right now. Not speaking SEC propaganda just saying watch an Iowa/Minnesota game. Forget the selling points and just watch the football. If you were a recruit would you want to get involved in that shit storm?
Something needs to change. The B1G is garbage right now and decomposing. If Urban being a douche and becoming the league nemesis helps I'm all for it.
I'd like to be there when he gets to the part where you identify a committed recruit from one of your conferences foes and then agressively try to get him to change his commitment to your school.
wants to do away with the guaranteed scholarship rules the Big Ten has in place. He would rather have the option to tell a scholarship player who hasn't panned out that his scholarship is not being renewed. Thus dumping the kid and signing larger classes on NSD. His idea would put them on equal footing with the SEC.
I don't care what rules college football uses for recruiting but I do believe ALL universities should follow the same rules. The SEC should not be able to sign an additional 30 to 32 kids every four years compared to the Big Ten. Yes the Big Ten is trying to do the right thing by the athletes they recruit but their rules do put Big Ten schools at a disadvantage. What ever decisions or rules are set I just want to be on equal footing with everyone else. I would prefer the NCAA adopt the Big Ten method but doubt they ever will.
I'm sure the other B1G coaches chose not to recruit as well as they could. This is like telling a rich person telling poor person that they need to get a better paying job.
Hey Urban, if you want the rest of the B1G to recruit better - stop stealing their recruits!
I'm sure it will come as a total revelation to other coaches that they will field better teams if they recruit better.
He probably means well, but why would he alienate his bretheren this way. He should go back to tagging his cheerleaders.
brought in to help losing political candidates with this advice: you need to appeal to more voters.
BTW, my recollection is that it was a graduate assistant at Florida, not a cheerleader, but no reliable source to back that up with. I'm sure his wife could clear up the discrepancy.
But then there were allegedly others that didn't create the public controversy with his wife.
I think it's a dead topic, especially with the heinous state of OSU coeds compared to UF.
He seems to make a good point. His team can't play many big games is the rest of the B1G sucks. It doesn't help the poll standings.
Playing bad Big Ten teams (and almost losing to them) hasn't stopped the fanbase from thinking they're national championship material. He should be careful what he wishes for.
The problem I have with this is that Urban has been consistent with talking about how great the SEC is, all I keep thinking is why the hell did you take that job then? He's flat out said that players in the south are better and that the SEC is faster, then what are you trying to prove coming to an "inferior" league? He was a mega douche in Florida and a mega douche in Ohio.
And the buckeyes are d-bags, I don't want to see his stupid name on this blog again. I can't wait until we kick his ass next year.
Urban can and should address the rest of the B1G 10, but not us. Hoke gets it!
It's just an opportunity for Urban to brag about how well he recruited compared to the rest of the Big Ten. What a douche.
The recruiting expenses for a number of Big Ten schools have gone up between 2011 and 2012. From the article at http://thegazette.com/2013/02/07/urban-meyer-effect-b1g-football-recruit...
The Big Ten’s football programs already have followed suit financially. At least eight Big Ten programs increased football recruiting expenses in the 2012 fiscal year, according to records supplied by 10 league schools to The Gazette via the Freedom of Information Act. Only two schools did not send information to The Gazette: Northwestern and Penn State. As a private school, Northwestern is not required to submit financial information. A Penn State official said the school is waiting for auditors to certify the report.
Overall, the 10 league schools saw their recruiting expenses increase by a combined $720,177 from 2011 to 2012. Iowa’s recruiting costs soared by more than $96,000 to a program-high $403,305. That’s nearly double what the Hawkeyes spent on football recruiting in fiscal year 2010. But that’s still lower than at least six other Big Ten programs.
Here's a review from a Florida fan about Meyer's recruiting classes the year after he left--see http://ourtwobits.com/floridas-troubles-start-with-meyers-recruiting/
Here's an excerpt from that article. Keep in mind this was written in November 2011:
Final Review: It is quite clear and quite evident that while Meyer’s classes were great on paper, they left much to be desired. Twenty-two (22) players transferred. Nine players had no career or no legitimate playing time at UF. At least seven players have drastically played below their rankings. Six QBs were recruited, only two are currently on the roster as QBs, two are TEs and two transferred, leaving UF with a Redshirt Senior QB, a Redshirt Freshman QB and two Freshmen QBs. The Gators have struggled to recruit talented Wide Receivers. The Gators have struggled to find a “Power Running Back” that can block and knows the playbook. The Gators have struggled mightily recruiting Defensive Ends. The Gators Offensive Line has been considered “small”. The Gators have struggled to recruit and retain blocking Tight Ends. UF currently only has 69 players on their roster (85 is the maximum).
It should be quite clear and quite evident why UF is playing poorly this year. While UF owes Urban Meyer and staff a debt of gratitude, UF really struggled retaining and developing talent, especially for a “Pro-Style” Offense.
If I'm a Big Ten coach and I'm listening to Meyer talk about recruiting, I'd look very closely not only at Meyer's successes af Florida, but his problems there as well, including with the recruiting classes. Here's a Sporting News article titled "From Champs to Chomped: How Urban Meyer Broke Florida Football" from April 2012 toat goes into some details. See http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-04-09/urban-meyer-f...
In all fairness it's a lot easier for a team like Missippi State to hold onto high rated in-state talent than it is Purdue, not the mention the fact that there is more talent in a state like Missippi over a state like Indiana.
a ridiculous concept on face value
Maybe this is a conversation that needed to happen, but it didn't need to be made public. Just Meyer making headlines again.
but I had no window to type into. I don't get Urban at all. I don't see how he has gotten where he is with no apparent social skills and no sense of humor. When he worked for espn, I had no glimpse into his sophisticated offensive mind. Maybe he was just hiding it, and maybe he owes it all to looking kind of like Christian Bale instead of an old football player with a broken nose. He seems like an empty suit to me, or a tv news reader.
Exactly. This won't endear him to his peers, nor other players in the Big 10 he deems inferior. What an asshole.
What a condescending piece of s*it. It is none of his business how other teams are recruiting. I'd love to see his reaction when he loses a game in the B1G to a team with lesser recruits. I'm not saying he isn't right, but it's none of his concern how other teams in the conference recruit.
Also, I'd love what he's going to say to Hoke. "Look, you're class is alright, but you have a lot of offensive linemen which - really - they're not very fast. Fine, you got a 5-star running back but only after we decided he didn't fit our scheme because he's too big. Don't get me started on your quarterback...I mean, that kid doesn't even have 4.6 speed - do you think he can compete in this conference? Also...SPEEEEEEEED." Cut to Hoke punching him in the face and walking away from him Alan Branch style.
To divert attention and deligitimatize critics.
To do so, Ohio pre-emptively attacks its B1G peers and potential threats
Meyer knows that the B10 has the responsibility to review not only whether Ohio complies with NCAA-imposed scholarship penalties but also how Ohio does so. When the penalties were imposed, Ohio began to drop players for no good reason other than their poor performance (see link). So, instead of having to confront criticism over dropping "underperforming" players, Ohio tries to turn the tables, first criticizing felllow B1G coaches for their own “underperformance” (vs the SEC, as if the SEC should be a model for honoring implicit commitments made to scholarship players).
In so doing, Ohio tries to
1. give the misleading impression that their recent recruiting was far superior when it wasn't (eg in Scout rankings, they were, wthin a margin of error, virtually tied with UM, and required a suspect last day of oversigning even to do this); and
2. deflect attention from
a. the NCAA’s limp gesture to “restrict” the number of scholarships given to Ohio for this cheating
b. Ohio’s effort to circumvent even these inadequate penalties.
c. the fact that they cheated for more than a decade to build their recruiting capacities.
So, how should the B1G coaches respond to Meyer’s public disrespect of them?
How should the B1G respond to Ohio's cheap trick?’
IMO, the B1G needs to grow a pair. They have the responsibility to investigate the means Ohio has used to circumvent the scholarship restrictions intended to penalize them.
Let Meyer know: This isn't the SEC. We don't want it to be. And if he tries to bring sleezy SEC tactics here, there will be consequences for Ohio.
Urban rolled into the BIG parking lot with his tricked out 64-Imala, let the air shocks down, opened the door and said, "Deal with it motherfuckers"
Frankly I don't know why he is bitching, except to make the other teams better so when his team is playing for NCs they will actually compete. In his first year he went 12-0, signed the 2nd best recruiting class in the country and firmly planted his flag in the Employee of the Month parking spot. The BIG is now the BIG1, Medium4 & Insignificant 7.
I hate this guys guts but he has a point for one thing: B1G division needs to stop this bullshit of how we are better, or how we comply with all the rules and blah blah...enough of this shit and go play ball..pull in players with experince always helps, such as transfers or players from lower divisions..look at what wisconsin did in 2011 with their transfer, Oregon program is top 5 due to experinced players they pick up from transfers or lower division schools...SEC wins every year because they dont have "academic" standards, they just produce and bring in players to play NCAAF...so B1G need to relax their rules and get players, no one cares about the academics when ur a football player, you take simple classes and you graduate as an nfl player or u still get a good job because u played football. Plus all they are to the school is money and ratings, think about it....if B1G is going national again, they need to loosen up on all this academic bullshit...its been a long time since the two powerhouses in B1G have won a championship (1997,2002)..think about that