It was along the lines of, "If you are Urban Meyer, I will attack you with the North."
fair point that
It was along the lines of, "If you are Urban Meyer, I will attack you with the North."
Thank you. I was trying to remember this quote all night and BOOM, there is was.
I am on a crowded train into NYC and I think that the lady sitting next to me now thinks that I am insane for chuckling to myself over that one.
You know what? Man has a point.
Here's the big 10, the land of TV revenue and money money money. And this conference has been mediocre for the past 6-7 years (aside from 2009).
It's time to step up. And clearly the coaches here seem uninspired to improve their teams, coaching staffs, and players.
When Vanderbilt and Stanford are assembling top 20 recruiting classes, what excuse do all these top-flight universities have?
Great schools, great conferences, booming football culture...if James Franklin and David Shaw can sell 50,000 seat stadiums, please tell me what excuse does the big 10 have. I don't want the SEC to dominate the Big 10 for the next 25 years.
James Franklin and David Shaw. You're on to something there. Maybe the issue that needs to be addressed is with the AD's and presidents to start ponying up some bucks and retaining coaches(Bielama) and also start finding some bright young coaches to join the league.
I'm sorry but Beilema was never a very good coach. He had a sysem that worked well, but he didn't recruit great, was one of the worst coaches ever in game, and acted like he was some great guy. One of those holier than thou's and then he joins the conference he always talked bad about? I understand retaining coaches, but you used the worst possible example. Especially since Wisconsin probably got a better coach out of the deal. I'm not saying 100% they did, but I venture to guess the new coach will be better than BB.
It certainly is a good point, regardless of if you like BB. The point is we don't pay assistant coaches in the bi6 near par with the SEC. We can't hope to win at the highest level when we aren't optimizing our money money money for wins wins wins.
I think that's a heckuva valid point.
Hate Bielama all you want but he was successful and the tire fire that is Arkansas shouldn't be poaching coaches from our top programs.
Wisconsin has won 3 Conference Championships since 2004.
Michigan, with far better talent and three different coaches, has won 0.
He was a very good coach.
But I think the three different coaches factor mitigates the far better talent point slightly.
he is effectively saying "My team is awesome and you are not." And this is never received well.
Why didn't he just stay at Florida????
Because he saw the writing on the wall.
He knew that if he couldn't beat Alabama even with Tim Tebow (they got killed in the ESS EEE SEE championship game in Tebow's senior year...dude was in tears over it), he would have no chance at all after he graduated.
Meyer is among other things an opportunist and he has no qualms about recruiting some really shady players (Cam Newton got kicked out of UF; most people don't remember that), but one thing he did not do at Florida was grayshirt or oversign. It was one thing that he and Mark Richt had in common.
Either that or the fact that his wife allegedly caught him allegedly cheating with an alleged co-ed at Florida, thereby allegedly causing his retirement for "family reasons." Allegedly, of course.
Good thing he was "cured" in one season...
I kinda hope that Urban does give the talk so that Brady can loudly and visibly sleep through it since he doesn't need to hear it,.
sawing logs . . ..
To piggy-back on the OP's talking points, it was also discussed on the same 97.1 that Urban wants to have more night games to compete with the SEC with recruiting, etc.
Yeah, because fill in the blank 5 star from south florida or texas wants to play in late November, at night, in 30 degree weather.
Then do them in September and October. And not every top recruit is from the Sun Belt, there are lots of East Coast and Midwest recruits picking not-Big Ten schools.
I don't understand the whole night game gleam. Yeah it's special once in awhile. But every freakin' week is out of hand and is ridiculous.
I literally took naps before nearly every game this past season because I had no other way to pass time without feeling like waiting forever.
We wouldn't want to inconvenience you. You are one of the worst posters on here.
That's not very nice.
Why? Because you don't agree with my opinions? Oh, that sucks. Well, I guess you're gonna have to deal with it because I'm not going anywhere.
Why do people ever say "you are one of the worst posters on here"? What's the point? You're not going to persuade people to stop posting, and you just come across as mean. Besides, have you really been keeping track of every poster's contributions to the point where you've singled a select few out as the worst?
If only Wolverine could replicate your insights into Michigan sports provided over the last week:
"Trannnys are the best of both worlds"
"Hookers are the only women you can get"
"Is it weird that Jalen's legs turn me on?
I don't think game time temperatue matters that much. Climate in general? Sure, but not specifically gametime. Besides you can also pitch the aspect that it's not so hot for so long up here.
Considering we just had a top 5 recruiting class for the 2nd straight year. I would label this under not an issue but thanks for your concern Urban. Not!
I'm sure Meyer won't be focusing on Hoke when he addresses the coaches on this issue.
obviously he should since Hoke can't close on elite recruits, duh
Can he also talk with them about coaching football? I think he needs to have a talk about coaching football too. It needs to be brought to their attention.
This is a completely self-serving move by Urban. Urban doesn't give a DAMN about the "strength of the conference"....this is just a chance for him to keep the spotlight on him and his success as a recruiter. This is Urban saying, "Look at me, I'm a great recruiter, and I want to remind you guys of that fact so that future recruits will choose me too"
The next time Urban does some selfless act, to benefit the other conference teams that he's competing against, it will be his first. Please, Urban's middle name is Massengill.
It's in OSU's best interest to be in a well regarded, competitive league. Honestly? Meyer may be a dick, but he produces results.
Contrast this attitude with that abortion of a football game - Iowa's loss to Nebraska in November 2012 when they wouldn't even throw downfield beyond 5 yards late in the fourth...that's B1G football in a nutshell.
This league needs a serious wake up call. A shock to the system. Otherwise it's more stagnation and decay.
And this is precisely the wake up call they need: Urban Meyer making an announcement that he'll address poor recruiting? I was born at night, but not last night. Who among us really thinks that Urban is looking out for the rest of the B1G? This is just self-serving drivel from a raging egomaniac.
OSU beats up on everybody aside from M like they were a MAC team. How does that held their NCG hopes? Dude is arrogant and the opposite of Hole, but he's right.
Alternatively, why revenue share with losers?
During Sam Webb's signing day show he kept trying to get the Michigan coaches to give some advice to Dantonio, so he might do better next time. They wouldn't bite. Sounds like Meyer heard the broadcast too.
...but what if he actually has some decent things for Indiana, Minnesota to hear? Is Jerry Kill wearing clothes and speaking English on his recruiting visits? If not, Urban could have some solid advice.
I may be naive, but I actually think Urban is trying to help those that he is not threatened by.
Quick request for fact check: how many top (elite?) recruits from MN went to non-Big Ten schools? How many recruits did Jerry Kill cost the Big Ten?
There are no elite recruits in Minnesota. But on the rare occasions there are (eg Michael Floyd) they go somewhere else.
Seantrel Henderson was from MN. Went to USC then transferred to Miami (YTM) after one season.
What Urban is trying to say is that you need to pay your recruits like the SEC.
Will Brady Hoke caveat on how to do it cleanly? Or better yet, will Dantonio interrupt him claiming that this event is about Ohio State's program and if anyone wants to hear they can go in the back corner.
Surprisingly, I think his intent is of the pro-B1G variety and less pounding his own chest. However, it comes across very dickish. One would think he'd have a mental filter for those things and either word them better or not say them at all.
Well I think addressing Michigan will not be on his list, as UM and OSU are the only ones in the conference pulling their weight. I do think a school like Indiana is doing better than expected. Its the schools like Iowa, Nebraska and Wisconsin, that have the resources to compete for elite recruits, that need to get their shit together. Even MSU should be recruiting better than it is.
The Big Ten will always have to contend with the fact that certain schools like Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and probably Indiana and Purdue, are not in states that produce the quantity of football talent that exists in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and most of the SEC states. To call them out on not keeping up is lame and classless.
Is Minnesota going to start grabbing top talent from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Alabama? Never, so they have to constantly fight to keep up. Plus, they don't cheat like Ohio and the SEC.
Basketball of course is a different story and the entire Big Ten excels relative to the SEC.
Urban Meyer is a self-absorbed asshole.
To all of the posters saying, "well he has a good point" - that still doesn't mean he's not an asshole.
You could make a good point that a fat woman is fat, but it's still a dick move to say something like that and offer to help her lose weight completely unsolicited.
If the other coaches were asking for help it'd be another story, but this is pretty condescending.
I'd love to see Dantonio sock Urban in the jaw. My God. Did I just support MD? What is wrong with me...
Douche canoe v. Douche yacht.
Please please please. I would LOVE for this to happen!
1) There is 1/4 the talent in the midwest as there is down south. Argue against it all you want, but for purposes of football, the demographics make it so and population growth has made it more so. Fortunately, since Michigan is one of the only 2-3 teams to get all of that talent, we should be competing with the top of the SEC in a couple of years. But that leaves scraps for the rest of them. It's not like Iowa can just grow great athletes there that Michigan / Ohio wont grab, and good luck getting a kid to fly over Gainesville, Tallahassee, and Tuscaloosa to go to Iowa City.
2) The SEC is willing to pony up the dough for top flight head coaches, facilities, and assistants. I don't find it a coincidence that the only two B1G schools that are paying their coordinators SEC money are recruiting and soon to be performing like the SEC schools. Bielema left for this reason, and I would be shocked if D'Antonio wasnt in the SEC within a few years. You're already behind the 8 ball in regards to location and weather. If your facilities and coaches can't stand up to the recruiting competition, they you don't stand a chance.
Not to get too pedantic and such, but your concept that the midwest talent pool is shallow strictly based upon demographics is false. 1/4 of the talent in the midwest vs. the south? Umm, no - in fact, the midwest (IA, IL, IN, MN, MI, WI, OH, MO, and WV) has only 0.8% less overall population than the south (FL, GA, NC, SC, AL, MS, TN, KY, LA, and AR). Are you trying to make some other statement here beside the fact that you don't have a real good grasp of demographic facts?
One hand, Meyer comes off a smug c**t for looking like he's telling others how to do their jobs - especially as he's poaching players.
Other hand, he knows the conf should be doing better overall, and maybe wants to discuss strategies to bring them more in line with SEC attractions (pressuring for more night games a start). Knows if the conf is noticeably behind the SEC, tougher sell for him.
You can bet that whatever else Ole Miss did, they can sell playing in the SEC every week nicely. Thier exposure is through the roof.
Mark D'Antonio has no need of any advice from anyone, naturally.
2nd year coach in the Big Ten ordering everyone around. This will go over well.