I suppose it is in the sense that any statement whatsoever can be given that label. I think more accurate descriptions would be libellous and ludicrous.
I suppose it is in the sense that any statement whatsoever can be given that label. I think more accurate descriptions would be libellous and ludicrous.
Generally speaking, most references to "Bain Capital" in arguments, the linked article included, can be safely replaced with "the bogeyman" without affecting the quality of reasoning.
Apologies for skirting the no politics rule - please read this exclusively as a lament on the current status of reasoned debate.
Everything is the Devil to you MAMA! Well I look school, and I like football! And I'm gonna keep doin them because they make me feel good!
Alligators are ornery because of their Medula Oblongata!
...And I like Vicki and she likes me back. And she showed me her boobies and I like them too!
The article is a pretty good read and a good take on how corporate greed is ruining college football and basketball. The overall theme of the article is that Brandon is turning his back on lifelong and loyal fans, particularly season ticket holders, in favor of making a quick buck. He makes a great point that anybody that faithfully attendned MBB games and kept their season tickets through the Elerbe and Amacker eras should not be forced out of the lower bowl because they cannot afford to pay the exorbarant fees for the "privilege" of continuing to pay for the seats that they earned. I also love the comparison to Jerry Jones! Well done, sir.
football. For example, Title IX requires equal opportunities and facilities. Nothing wrong with that at all, but it is expensive to provide that for sports that do not generate much if any revenue for the athletic department.
In life nothing is free. UM's AD wants to be top notch. That means top dollar for coaches and facilities.
It's only expensive if you're at the same time building palaces for your football and basketball programs.
Top recruits take into consideration the facilities they will be playing in and using. If you want to compete with the top programs you need top facilities. You can save on facility costs if your goal is to compete with Eastern Michigan. Yes the ticket prices will be lower, but so will the product on the field and the expectations of the program.
Gasoline for 50 years. At one point it cost me $0.25/gallon. $3.50 is unfair, 16 year olds should just pay $5.00 since they are new to the market.
Same goes for my frequent flyer status. I've been flying delta my entire life. My flight should be the same cost as they were in the early 90s due to my loyalty.
Sports is entertainment. As long as someone is willing to pay more for your seat, you'll have to do the same. You have the reciprocal right if you move or stop caring.
however, sports and fans are a little different. If Delta is not giving you good deals, and your loyalty program isn't great, no big deal to go over to United. In sports, the idea is that you want fans who love the team no matter what. You want the fans to support the team through lean or rebuilding years and not jump to a more reasonably priced better "product", like jumping to become a State fan this year.
It also complicates things when you throw in the non-profit college aspect of the sport. I think there is something to be said about fans who have been loyal to the program, over those like that the team is good now and have more money.
I had a longer response typed but I'm already tired of re hashing this conversation. I watch games from the couch anyway...
A family member of mine worked with DB when he was at Valassis and despite his take-no-prisoners attitude and toughness, he was a very shrewd businessman. He got things done. He wasn't all about himself but did take care of his interests. The impression I was left with after a lengthy discussion is the same one we're left with and most on this Blog feel...DB makes money. Say what you will about his motivations or his methods, there's probably a lot of non-revenue sports that are thankful he's there.
What's wrong with working at Bain Capital?
PERSPECTIVE. GET SOME.
is a joke plain and simple... everyone on DSR has an axe to grind with someone...
I'm trying to figure if calling Brandon out for a Republican for no apparent reason, or suggesting that he's embezzling money from the department was the low point of this "article".
Brandon running in the Republican primary for governor before he took the AD job.
figurative sense that it is not a legitimate source of news.
Everyone here knows I be beefin' with DB.
But this is just over the top.
I don't particularly like DB, but I believe that I may look back at him - when he eventually moves on - as a guy who was more-or-less useful for Michigan. I trust that he will take relatively agressive steps for the sake of the Athletic Department. I have not agreed and presumably will not agree with all of those steps, but I appreciate the fact that he's not coasting along. It sure seems to me - again, from afar - that the pre-DB Michigan Athletic Department thought it could rest on its laurels for a long time while the OSU AD ate its lunch.
Working for an investment firm. asset management firm, or bank does not make a person evil. Nor does being a CEO as someone has to do the job. Dominos was a luckluster company until Brandon was hired, he helped turn that business around. Some of you may have bad experiences in your area but without a doubt the Dominos in my area had the best quality pizza and was always busy.
Since becoming athletic director our facilities have been upgraded and our profile increased. Some objected to the Michigan Stadium facility, I do not want those suites to become an obstruction to our ability to have the largest football stadium in the country. Some have objected to Brandon's use of corporate terminology using words such as brand. This does not make him a failure. The big question is can his decisions help turn around Michigan football. That is the true measure of every AD at Michigan. If Michigan football begins winning Big 10 and national titles then Dave Brandon's work will have been considered successful.
People that don't work for financial institutions have a very skewed perception of what goes on/what people's motives and agendas are inside them. They see that someone works for a bank and automatically assume "CORPORATE GREED!!!!," when in reality that is more often than not, not the case.
I rhink lots of people have skewed views of what go on in many organizations and that unfortunately they let the actions of a few taint their views of many.
It should be noted that Brandon has been successful with his degree from UM, completed as a student-athelete. He was not given anything to accomplish his success, perhaps through a windfall or inheritance. I like to be optimistic that a degree fromk UM helps with such success.
"Dominos was a luckluster company until Brandon was hired...."
I don't think "lackluster" is accurate. If you're literally saying they lacked luster at the time that he took over, sure, but I don't think they've had "luster" since the '80s, and Brandon didn't change that. It was thay way before him and has been since. If you're saying they were struggling financially and he helped make them healthy, fine. (Although I'm willing to bet Bain gave him some strict guidelines with financing and cost philosophy.)
The way you stated it makes it seem that Domino's was some relative unknown until Brandon showed up, when the reality is that Domino's in the 1980s revolutionized the food industry. It made home delivery a very popular thing, and it made take out (especially pizza) a very popular thing. Domino's almost destroyed Pizza Hut single-handedly. I'd also be willing to be that a lot higher proportion of the US and world population know who Tom Monaghan is than do Brandon.
"(T)he Dominos in my area had the best quality pizza..."
I weep for the pizza consumers in your area.
In the 1980's and prior, sit-down pizza restaurants were huge, and that was (and still is) Pizza Hut's main business. Those red-roofed buildings are all for dining in. Little Caesars had a similar concept with family fun centers in the 1980's and 1990's.
By taking pizza out of the restaurant, Domino's was able to sell a lot of pizza without a lot of unnecessary overhead costs.
Tom Monaghan or Dave Brandon
They sure as hell know of Dominos, though... I think it's the world's largest pizza chain (or neck and neck with Pizza Hut, anyway).
Negbang? Posbang? How do I choose? So much pressure with this new old voting system . . . One thing is for sure - self-posbang on this one!
You are a self-fellating whore-monger.
I imagine someone who could self-fellate would have little need for whores.
We can self pos-bang now?
Um...OK....I gotta go and check some older threads now to make sure I made my point clear to the reader.
Be right back.
I don't have much of an opinion on Jordan Acker, but Jeff Moss, the "frontman" of the DSR, seems to be a complete blowhard. The mission of the site and his sports commentary seems to be to feel bigger and better than the local sports media.
Admittedly, the local sports media doesn't always get the scoop or ask the hardest hitting questions in press conferences, but the amount of vitriol he spews on Twitter and his website makes me disregard most things posted on the DSR.
does is troll terry foster and 97.1... in the very few times i've been on DSR the majority of the articles have something to do with terry foster or someone at 97.1... after reading the posted article i went to the DSR home page and saw that someone created (i'm going to assume a DSR person) a fake POF profile page for Scott "The Gator" Anderson... now thats pathetic...
I can't tell if he's arguing for or against Brandon in this article.
I would not miss Brandon. A decade of failed AD's has left plenty of fans with a bad taste in their mouths.
failed AD's being the Roberson/Weidenbach/Goss era, I agree with you. I don't think of Martin and Brandon as being total failures. Not at all. Martin got the program in the black again, which was a big accomplishment. He also got the huge stadium upgrade project done, as well as some other much needed facility improvements. Yes, he hired Amaker and RR. But, he was damned close to getting Pitino as coach, and didn't because of things beyond his control. And he DID bring in Beilein. With Brandon, the book is still out.
Martin got the program in the black again, which was a big accomplishment.
Not really. Not with BTN money, etc. He deserves credit for Beilein but beyond that, I think he was out to lunch (or On a Boat).
Uh... One of the things for which Martin is pretty much universally revered is the fact that he did in fact get the department in the black, which if memory serves, happened in 2003 or 4. Before the BTN launched.
Give credit where credit is due.
Getting the Department in the black again had at least as much, if not more, to do with Jason Winters, a turnaround guy from AlixPartners who joined the Department as CFO a few months before Martin did in 2000. The first budget surplus was in 2001-2.
Personally, I have always thought that thre first proccess was much worse than the second and that if Martin were even half competent there would be lots less bitching about the recent history of the football team. I wonder how much Carr really wanted to coach in 2007 and whether a better AD would have brought in a good new head coach in 2007.
I think that Brandon is a far superior AD, understanding that his job is both to make money and to field winning teams,
Charging fans six bucks for a water and 100 bucks for their Appalachian State tickets next year helps hire million-dollar coaches and make hundred-million dollar renovations to Crisler, which are are the most important drivers of program health (at least right now) and likely outweigh the risk of alienating the fans who want to pay for Michigan football at below-market rates like they did in 1980.
I certainly understand that desire--I'd like everything I buy to be cheaper, and I'd probably have season tickets if they were cheaper. But cloaking what is at its core a "dammit I want this product to be cheaper" argument in the "Dave Brandon killed my childhood" gloss seems pretty disingenuous. Cheap seats are not "the fabric of Michigan football"; cheap seats are what Don Canham did to fill the stadium before we started kicking the ever loving shit out of the Big Ten--a ritual that is, in fact, the actual fabric of Michigan football. And if there's a criticism of Dave Brandon, it's that we're not currently kicking the ever loving shit out of the Big Ten. If we were, I'm 100% positive that this guy wouldn't be writing blog posts about how Dave Brandon "doesn't get it."
It is not just alienating old coots who complain because tickets prices have increased. It is more about damaging the long term interests of the "brand" of Michigan football. Currently, I make more myself than both my parents combined currently make (and therefore more than they made at any time while I was growing up). I am not unwise with my money (I am a CPA), nor am I excessively cheap. Nonetheless, when I try to devise a realistic budget to take my family to AA and take my son to a game (as I recently tried to do for the OSU game), I end up having to scrap that plan. $190.00 for the tickets themselves already makes it a pretty expensive outing (and, in a teatament to the quality of the team, I was unable to entice any of my dude friends to go with me either). Yet my dad, who was travelling from further away, is excessively cheap, and significantly less than me, managed to take me to a handful of games growing up (which cemented my M fandom).
Unless I start making even more money (and the play of the team improves), I don't foresee ever being able to look at the comprehensive cost of taking my family to AA for a game (much less ever buying my own season tickets) and seeing an attractive value proposition. For fuck sake, I could take them to the Great Wolf Lodge in Traverse City, buy us all nice dinners, watch the game in a bar drinking premium beers and still come out ahead all told.
The truth is that the "corporate mentality" or whatever you might call it is indeed harming college sports. Increasing revenue in order to create greater facilities or a better gameday experience or whatever you might call it is really just an attempt to build something from which even more revenue can be generated. This makes some sense in business, in that the greater and greater profits can be distributed to ever more shareholders, or invested in myriad other projects. It makes less sense in college athletics, unless the entire goal of the system is to provide $10,000,000 salaries for Nick Saban type individuals. Unfortunately, constantly increasing prices tends to weed out working class individuals first, and to increase the proportion of the dreaded "wine and cheese" stereotyped affluent M fans. While these types of fans are necessary for the donations and other types of funding they can help facilitate, excessively catering to their desires will, in my opinion, most likely tend to somewhat diminish the broader base of M football fans, the kids like me who grew up cherishing our M football memories when my dad could bring me to the Big House and with $10 or $15 in his pocket buy us some pops and hot dogs and a program. The value is not there anymore.
But what are you suggesting? That Brandon price the seats lower than people are willing to pay ? Look, when prices were lower, the "wine and cheese" folks still filled the stadium, because they were the ones willing to buy my student tickets for $200 a pop. Brandon isn't setting the prices--the market is.
I agree that corporate culture, coaching salaries, and other issues are gravely impacting the college fan experience. I hate that shit to death. But Brandon isn't responsible for that system; he's just living in it. Hating him for it, calling him names, or expecting him to do anything differently strikes me as misguided, mean, and naive, respectively.
You complain about the price of tickets, then pick a game that you should know will have especially high prices. I dare say that in previous years you would have had no shot of buying a block of single game tickets for OSU.
...no one gave a shit about this crap when we won.
And when someone did, there were 99 people yelling "SHUT UP!" at Mr. 100.
Rich people are rich, plenty of people get paid far more than they should...this is motherfucking America...what else is new? And I say that with the utmost respect.
The threads following the wins over Akron and uconn would disagree with you. Though you're mostly right.
to upgrade the success of all U-M sports - not just the revenue producing ones. The huge investments in new facilities and better coaches to make those sports more competitive costs money. That's a simple fact. In order to do this, he's tried many different revenue models and programs. Some of them have definitely rubbed me the wrong way, as they have others on this blog. The worst to me was definitely banning bringing water bottles into the stadium THEN gouging his new captive market by charging an obscene $4.50. But, getting back to the building of a competitive sports program, it can only be accomplished by someone who is very good at building revenue streams and fundraising. So, like it or not, it probably means David Brandon is the best one for the job.