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HARBAUGH HARBAUGH HARBAUGH. More NFL people saying no one ever leaves the NFL. Since these guys are all talking to NFL people that's not a surprise; it is a fact that he is telling his Michigan guys that he's seriously thinking about it. A bunch of people telling each other things they want to hear; won't have any clarity on it until there's a signature and a press conference. Steve Lorenz had an interesting quote in a considerably larger piece that sums it up($):

One source we've talked to extensively regarding Harbaugh had the following to say: "Jim can be a flake. That will be the major concern for Michigan. Anything at this juncture saying he's not interested is a smokescreen. His father, and both he and his brother, have a ton of respect for Brady Hoke and would not want to make it appear publicly like Jim is taking his job from him. From their end, they will want this process to appear as quiet as possible."

Whether Harbaugh flaked on Brandon or wisely avoided a guy he knew he couldn't work with is in the eye of the beholder obviously the former. That was posted smack dab in the middle of Hoke's firing, so the quote was addressing a situation that no longer holds. We may see some definitively yes or no action in the near future.

And I know people are inclined to discount Jeff Moss because he's never found a bomb he didn't want to throw, but he did have the Brandon firing presser before anyone, AFAIK, and his Michigan connect tells him that M will go after Harbaugh with many dollars and boxes of khakis:

The DetroitSportsRag has learned that the University of Michigan has offered their former quarterback and current San Francisco 49ers head coach a financial package that would make him the highest paid football coach in the world.

I doubt that, frankly. But there's been enough other chatter about how Michigan understands that this is a situation where spending marginally more money on the new guy will pay off in spades for me to believe that they're not going to come at Harbaugh with an offer that isn't at least top 5 college money.

ON MULLEN. Clint Brewster told the Michigan 24/7 site that he talked to three different college coaches over the weekend and all of them brought Mullen up as the guy who makes the most sense.

If Hackett's serious about demolishing the Michigan Man thing he's got to kick the tires there—ask about the QB grayshirt, MSU's tendency to recruit 30+ guys every year*, find out if he's going to be able transition to a very different style of recruiting. I'd think he'd be able to adjust better than Rodriguez. His previous stops at ND, BGSU, Utah, and Florida give him significantly more diverse experience than RR had. Florida's not Michigan (they take JUCOs) in terms of restrictions but they're certainly a lot closer to M than Mississippi State is, and then Utah and ND are close enough to M that there's not much difference.

*[A lot of those are sign-and-place JUCO deals because of the Bulldogs' status as the low man on the SEC totem pole, so the oversigning concerns are significantly fewer than those numbers imply.]

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WHY GUNDY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. This would still be a longshot, RR-ish secret mission type thing, but it is vaguely possible. Why? The last few days have seen the rumblings about discontent in the Oklahoma State program hit the papers:

If there were a device that could measure stress, Gundy would have buried the needle. I’ve covered more than 220 Gundy news conferences. There were times when he wasn’t very excited to be there, and there was one time – during the 2007 “I’m a man! I’m 40!” news conference – when he was really excited. Monday was different. I’ve never seen him like he was on Monday. …

I believe that 98 percent of the Gundy stress centers on his issues with Boone Pickens. I’m sure some of the stress is related to the current performance of his football team. Since OSU beat Baylor last year – in a performance that was as complete as there’s ever been by any Gundy team – the Cowboys are 5-8. In its last seven meetings with ranked opponents, OSU is winless.

That comes in the aftermath of a press conference in which Gundy spent a lot of time looking at his phone. Also:

Boone Pickens doesn’t run OSU football. Boone’s influence on the program has been greatly overstated. We know that because if it was up to Boone, Mike Gundy wouldn’t be the Cowboy football coach. …

Boone obviously doesn’t care for Gundy, Gundy expresses no concern that Boone doesn’t care for him, and everyone who cares about Cowboy football wonders how long this can go on.

This is followed with some conflicting information about how on the one hand you "couldn't run Gundy off with a shotgun" and on the other Pickens's disdain for Gundy arose when he poked around the Tennessee job.

That's why you call… just in case. Small chance anything happens other than "nope," but if Oklahoma State loses Bedlam it might be time for a jump. Stranger things have happened. Like…

UNDERWHELMING AND WEIRD. Jeremy Foley flew Florida's plane to Fort Collins in full view of the Flight Aware-monitoring public and was rewarded with a crowd consisting of every member of the sports media within 500 miles. He went to Jim McElwain's house; media members knocked on the door and were surprised they didn't get an answer, and then they had serious conversations without even drawing the blinds.

The good news: Jeremy Foley has never done anything remotely criminal in his life. You can tell because he's not in jail. The bad news: he's hiring a decidedly B-list target who's only had three years of head coaching experience and rode an anomalous talent, Dee Hart, to a 10-2 Mountain West season. The MW is not quite the MAC but this feels more like hiring Darrell Hazell than it should for Florida. Darell Hazell with a $7.5 million dollar buyout they "might" be able to bargain down if CSU is feeling generous for some reason. (Florida @ CSU? Might be happening.)

At least it's not Josh McDaniels?

Let us now reflect on what a miracle it is that Dave Brandon got fired what with Jeremy Foley's job not under a whisper of pressure. It takes a truly exceptional man to get axed from an AD job.

SO THEN WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT MICHIGAN? Unless Foley is truly bonkers he called the Pattersons and Shaws and such of the world and was turned down. I would assume that anyone who isn't clearly available is not available; Mullen is an exception because of personal animosity.

OOOH. Matt Hinton's rundown of the open Florida, Nebraska, and Michigan jobs doesn't have any news in it that Michigan diehards aren't aware of, but his suggestion for the open Nebraska job is on point:

Perfect Fit: Michigan State defensive coordinator Pat Narduzzi. …Narduzzi has spent 25 years as an assistant, the last 11 of them as Mark Dantonio’s defensive coordinator at Cincinnati and Michigan State. But Narduzzi has been up for multiple head-coaching gigs in that span, turning some down while building one of the most reliably suffocating defenses in the nation. Think of him as the upper Midwest’s answer to Charlie Strong, who spent years bouncing around the SEC as an assistant before finally landing his big break at Louisville at age 48, the same age Narduzzi is now. Unlike Louisville, Nebraska isn’t a stepping-stone to a glitzier gig (Texas, in Strong’s case), but neither does it have proven winners leaping to leave their current posts.

Keep the offensive staff, which has created a nouveau-option system that fits Nebraska and its available talent, and you might be in business in Lincoln.

UM. OOOOKAY. BUT NO. If you're wondering why anyone is chattering about New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton, he once went to a Michigan basketball game in a Michigan hat and bought a hot dog. Seriously. This makes him more of a possibility to Rivals($) than Dan Mullen, as he's on their hot board and Mullen is not.

Is it because Mullen is supposedly not a good dude? Well, they've got Bret Bielema—who defended a kid who tried to tear Steve Breaston's ACL and was widely regarded as sketchtastic in Madison even when he was the coach—on it, so no. The grayshirt thing is a problem, but we are talking about hiring Jim Harbaugh, who bombed Michigan in a presser. The grayshirt is something you can get over in a way that a flat-out scholarship yank would be tougher to. And Mullen has Midwest roots. To not even consider him would be insane.

Rivals keeps throwing out an Anonymous High Profile College Coach who is interested in the job; if the thing they heard is the thing I heard that would be Bob Stoops. Stoops is also prominently absent from their This Guy or This Guy and What About This Guy paragraphs.

ALSO NO. EDSBS threw out Steve Addazio's name on a whim, because he associates Michigan with boring offenses and bald guys. Our great and good friend Football Scoop chimed in that he was hearing that too, probably for the same reason he was doubling down on Michigan "struggling" after watching Hackett's presser.

Addazio is 55 and has two years at Temple and two seven-win years at BC to his name; tha andt he was a terrible OC at Florida. I mean, here's Athlon making the case:

Addazio wouldn’t be a splashy, name hire like Jim Harbaugh or Les Miles, but he’s a good coach that would win a lot of games at Michigan. In two years at Boston College, Addazio is 14-11 and has recorded a .500 record in conference play in both seasons. Prior to taking over in Chestnut Hill, Addazio spent two years at Temple and went 13-11 during that span.

Sign me up?

Addazio is Brady Hoke's resume without the Michigan connections. I can no longer say never, but that has a 1% chance of happening, if that. Addazio would be tragic Michigan Manball thinking in everything but actual presence in Ann Arbor. He is a low-upside pick in an environment where MSU and OSU are at peaks.

Etc.: Hiring criteria. Not too sure about the "has to be a head coach already" thing when Fisher, Stoops, Mullen, Gundy, Patterson, and even David Shaw are amongst the most successful guys in college football right now.

Comments

M-Dog

December 3rd, 2014 at 7:27 PM ^

Man how times have changed, and only recently.  The Florida job is open Florida! and nobody wants it.
 
There was a post on this blog a few days ago about whether there is a state of parity among a large number of the P5 programs.  That Florida is open but dozens of desirable coaches are happy with where they are at now, speaks volumes.
 
There was a time when only the coach at a program like USC or Texas would turn down Florida.  Now you are getting coaches at places like Ole Miss and TCU turning down the Florida job.
 
And they are not crazy for doing it.  Everybody is on TV now.  Everybody gets TV dollars to build nice facilities to attract recruits.  And the NCAA has even made it clear that they will turn a blind eye toward recruiting violations.  Your bagmen can buy recruits that your tradition could never get if you need to go that route.
 
If there is not parity now, we are certainly moving in that direction.  When you have 50% of your Top Ten consisting of TCU, Baylor, Arizona, Kansas State, and Mississippi State while schools like Florida, Michigan, and Nebraska are unranked and struggling to appeal to coaches, you clearly have a New World Order in college football.

westwardwolverine

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^

I don't know if there has ever been a more perfect coach fit for a school as Harbaugh is for Michigan assuming he's interested. 

Timing, connection, roster, attitude...its all there. 

Come on Hackett, make it happen. 

MGlobules

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:48 PM ^

all there!

Honestly, if he's smart he's NOT digging to be the highest-paid coach. That's a lot of pressure if you fail. At least structure the contract so that's not the first thing the press latches onto.

Serious question: what's the earliest that Harbaugh is contractually able to talk to UM openly? Anything preventing it now, or does SF have to be eliminated from the playoff picture first?

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^

So I'm nowhere near as down on the idea of Addazio as all that.  Is he Plan A - hell no.  Definitely not on that top tier of guys.  But as a Plan B, if we swung and missed on the five or six reasonable options in Plan A (thinking Harbaugh, Miles, Mullen, Gundy, Stoops, and such) he'd be solid and very defensible - probably more so than McElwain.  Addazio definitely isn't Brady Hoke - he's taken a Boston College team full of the two-star and low-three-star barrel scrapings of the northeast, which was last seen going 2-10 under Frank Spaziani, and gotten to bowl games.  Beating USC in the process and putting a huge scare into FSU twice.  His BC resume is much more impressive than Hoke's Ball State and SDSU work, frankly.

I'd be disappointed in getting Addazio because he's not Harbaugh, but if we swing and miss at the bigger guys, we could do much worse as a consolation prize.

OccaM

December 3rd, 2014 at 5:29 PM ^

BC can blame BC for their shitty football teams since 08 purely because of thier arrogance. Jagodzinski got fired for interviewing with the Jets who ended going with Rex Ryan anyway. Haven't had football success since those Matty Ice days. 

blue_shift

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^

All I ask is that we don't act like cheapskates. If we want a top-tier candidate, we're going to have to pay top-tier money. Now is not the time to be penny wise and pound foolish.

991GT3

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:44 PM ^

MIchigan doesn't have an experienced QB and expectations for the new coach so high may provide a serious impediment for anyone to take the job. MIchigan does not allow JUCO's so next year will be a very difficult one.

funkywolve

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:50 PM ^

Unless the unversity policy has changed, this is incorrect.  Carr had a couple of juco's on his team.  The problem, at least as I understand it, is the credits players have earned at juco's have a hard time transferring/getting accepted at UM.  So it's not that UM doesn't allow juco's, it's just that it is really rare.

Brodie

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:20 PM ^

Frankly, this is a university issue more than a football one and it's my sincere hope that we eventually rectify that problem with junior college credit transfers. It's always been enormously fucked up that we shut ourselves out to the vast majority of community college kids anyway (seriously, even some Ivies take more CC/JUCO kids than Michigan!), but now that we're seeing a massive boost in enrollment at two year schools to offset college costs, it's a demographic time bomb we will have to diffuse.

Also, the fact that JUCO football doesn't really exist in the upper midwest/Great Lakes plays a role too

Bigku22

December 4th, 2014 at 12:53 AM ^

You are correct. I had no money for college, had to pay my own way so I started at community college. After 2 years at Macomb Community College I was looking into what university to transfer to. At the time I had about 60 credits. Most of the local universities took most if not all of my credits (Wayne, Oakland, UofD). Just cause it was a childhood dream I looked into Michigan. Of my 60 credits....UM accepted...12. And I was not taking garbage classes, just core studies (math, English, etc..). At Macomb, only the very highest level math class (like Calc 3) transferred to UM, not one other math class at he entire college would transfer. That needs to drastically change if we ever want to play the JUCO game and recruit high level kids from Jr. Colleges as right now admissions make that almost impossible.

enlightenedbum

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:56 PM ^

I'm not as sure about that.  Assumptions:

1) New coach knows how to coach QBs, which no one on this staff ever did, seemingly.

2) Lewis continues to be good, Peppers is healthy and the real deal

3) The development in the offensive line not involved in trying to block Joey Bosa on passing downs exhibited in November was real.

4) Funchess is gone, despite his presumably falling stock.

Seems to me like we should have a fairly strong defensive line.  Lack an elite pass rusher but good DTs, ends you can work with.  Morgan will be back to anchor the LBs.  Corner should be a strength.  Safety is a concern.  But overall, seems like you can get a B+ defense out of this personnel.

Offensively, if the line improvement in November is real, they're all back.  We should be able to run the ball... OK then.  If we run a good offensive system (SPREAD SPREAD SPREAD) and aren't utterly predictable, maybe even run the ball well.  Receivers are likely a weak spot, barring significantly development from some of them.  And QB is a mystery.  Let's say one of Morris or Speight respond favorable to decent QB coaching and are even like a C+ QB

Add in a change from being monumentally stupid and disorganized all the time to being... not that and I think things could be considerably less ugly.  Not like 10 wins or anything actually good, but 7 or 8.

blueinbelfast

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:44 PM ^

If the Harbaughs respect Brady so much and don't want to hurt his feelings, can Hackett maybe get him to call Jim and beg him to take the job to clean up the mess he's left and restore Michigan to the point that no one ever again questions whether Michigan is a destination job, fergodsakes?

BigCat14

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:45 PM ^

What about Adam Gase, OC for the D Broncs?  He is from Marshall, MI.  So coming near home might be enticing.  I am not sure, but I personally have not seen his name appear in the numerous CC threads.  What say you?

 

Go Blue!

BigCat14

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^

Fair reply:  I would counter with would you entertain Peyton being the coach of Michigan?  If at any level 'Yes' (be as objective as you can be based on his football mind) then one might think (me/others?) that Adam Gase whether he calls plays or not understands a heck of a lot about offensive football?

 I also understand that AG has been taken somewhat under Elways wing in terms of day to day team operations?  If that is the case I am sure he is aware of budget and things of the like that he could easily transition to running a college program?  He works with many excellent offensive weapons and seems to work well with PM at that level.  

With that said I could see AG being a good administrator.  Question is would he be able to recriut?  

 

Go Blue!

 

blueinbelfast

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:04 PM ^

No, at no level would I (or most sane people) entertain the idea of any current NFL player (or anyone who has never coached a game in his life) as the Head Coach at the University of Michigan.  Maybe Pioneer High.

BigCat14

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:10 PM ^

Of course I am for real.  For real about the dialogue of the conversation.  Do you or I or Brian make any hires for the University of Michigan!  With that said I believe you are being a bit shortsighted about what football and or operational knowledge AG may have?  Cumong man "maybe Pioneer High" is like internet tough guy speak except for the intellectual kind.  As if you know better than I or anyone else.  

Just a thought about some names out there.  As I stated I am not sure if he is even on anyone's radar?  

Go Blue!  

BigCat14

December 4th, 2014 at 9:10 AM ^

answer that describes your point of view without belittleing my point.  I thought it might be an interesting conversation within this topic.  Obviously it has not been.  Either way have a great day! 

Go Blue!

Edit: This response was to BlueKoj

However, JaimeH with this reply falling under your comment I will reply to you as well.  I am a fellow wolverine fan on the same side with you and many others.  I personally think your playing ball with Todd Collins is a cool story bro.  There is no need to belittle my comment (which your sarcastic text did).  There is no consequence for me to call you out for it, yet I am calling you out.  Dont be a DB!  My comments about Adam Gase were not typed for that kind of snark.  You must have felt like you needed to say it though.  So, that leaves me with saying be a teammate and thoughtfully respond or dont if you cant intelligbly respond without belittling.  No more worries here, I am moving on as I hope you do with your day.  I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas season!  Would love to see Michigan get this CC right to restore the football dominance most of have seen at some point in out Michigan fan life.  

Go Blue!

BigCat14

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:05 PM ^

Yet one man does a good staff not make!  So I am guessing he would figure out how to find several great recruiters.  Also I would guess, regardless of whether a kid thought that PM is essentially the coordinator or not, that AG could have a pretty good sit down with any offensive player and explain to them what it looked like working with PM and the rest of the Broncos O as well as Elway the hall of famer!  

Also two years as an OC, even if he is just a name plate for OC with PM running the show, is like a lifetime of Offensive football knowledge for other places to learn from!  So there is that!  I am not saying I want him to be the next coach.  I think the conversation is intriguing given the pedigree of footbal he has been around!  

Go Blue!

Wolv1984

December 3rd, 2014 at 3:45 PM ^

Gundy when Pelini is unemployed and on the market?  I suppose you can argue that Gundy did a bit more with a bit less than Pelini, but Pelini has a remarkably high floor at Nebraska, the ceiling just wasn't quite what the program wanted.  Pelini also has roots to our prime recruiting ground and such.  

The only reason Gundy seems more attractive is we've never seen him to lose to teams we care about, but if you're at the stage where you are calling Gundy's agent, why not call Pelini's agent first?