How are the current exit options from the Big 4? I know firm alums tend to go to lots of different places but I haven't seen a breakdown recently.
I'm almost wondering if it would be better to do accounting since it looks like some of the big banks and investment funds appear to be slashing staff. Seems like it might be potentially more stable than a career in finance.
I agree completely. Accounting will open doors for you that a finance degree may not be able to. You will have options at firms, in-house, and even potentially with regulators.
JB has been here almost a decade. During that time, we have frequently fielded a scattershot defense and have had to make do with a frustrating lack of bigs out on the court. Recruiting, outside of one or two good years, has been substandard.
Don't get me wrong - JB is a good guy and has done great things for the program. But mediocrity by definition means "middle of the road," and we have been exactly that.
He's now been here almost a decade. This isn't a Rich Rod situation; there's plenty of material for the AD to make a relatively objective evaulation of JB.
My point is that we have not had a season during JB's tenure where we have been consistently dominant. Do you disagree?
It's a legitimate question. It doesn't make sense that our fanbase pushes for strong recruiting and competition at every position in football but accepts mediocrity in basketball.
We went out and got an elite football coach and have some big advantages, including our national reputation and our recent switch to Nike. I'm willing to give JB a little more leeway, but I personally don't think he's an elite coach. If the recruiting and on-court results continue to be lacking (20+ point runs, oh my) I think Manuel needs to make the switch.
I don't think it's as dirty as some think. I believe it's possible to recruit clean and win, and I think using the excuse that the whole process is corrupt is a way to mask JB's flaws out there on the recruiting trail.
100% agreed. Good but not elite. If we want to take the step to becoming a truly elite program, we need to pay up and get an elite coach who can pull in elite recruits.
Those PSU whiteouts are intimidating - there's no doubt that they make Happy Valley an incredibly tough place to play.
A maize out would be a big psychological boost for the home fans. There's no reason why the Michigan AD can't get off its ass and make the game against the Bucknuts a similarly intimidating experience.
From the TV broadcast the stadium seemed pretty loud in the first half.
But visually, the stadium atmosphere didn't look that great. Too much red. I don't understand why the Athletic Department doesn't make this game a Maize Out. Maize looks way better on TV and would have drowned out some of the red. What is stopping the AD from encouraging folks to wear maize for rivalry games?
Seriously - everything that I've seen from them indicates that this is clearly not a grassroots movement. Just take a look at their website - professionally produced, with PR-speak that definitely appears not to have been written by a student.
Same thing with their YouTube video - professional production values. Just who is behind this campaign, and where are these H&U people getting their money?
“Because of the high cost of living in Palo Alto, I grew up middle class”
No. Just no. What is it with this weird logical fallacy that keeps popping up everywhere?
It's not just Klein - I hear this line of argument all the time from supposedly well-educated people who belive that they're middle class simply because they live in a high-cost area.
It is accurate. That attitude was exactly part of the problem - thinking that we deserve success just because we had been successful in the past. Resting on the laurels of tradtion and entitlement, rather than fighting to win games today.
Stick your head in the sand all you want, but the reality is we were pretty damn close to the edge.
But the Harbaugh mania has gotten so out of hand that I worry there will be genuine revolt even if we land what is objectively a "home run" like Les, Mora or Stoops. People are treating a 50% chance of Harbaugh like it's a sure thing and aggresively shouting down those who want to remain cautious. This whole situation is insane...
Schefter is a Michigan guy, so it's probably a pretty even-handed take on the situation. He is one of the few sources who is likely to have contacts in both the AD and the NFL.
If Harbaugh doesn’t happen it’s going to be exactly like Y2K, with a lot of confused posters retreating to their well-provisioned basements, wondering what could have been.
Is it possible that this is a veiled ultimatum from Les?
The rumors are out there that his agent has been approached - maybe this is Les' way of telling the AD that he won't sit around for a month and be Michigan's second choice, and that the AD better decide soon if it wants him or not.
I'd rather have a "Plan B" coach than Schiano et. al, because frankly the 'Plan B' guys are pretty damn good options. That includes (included?) Les.
But suggest anything other than Harbaugh on this board lately and the mouth-breathing idiots will be out in force trying to send you to Bolivia. This place has become a case study in group dynamics over the past couple of days.
I don't want to be waiting for Godot - if there aren't clear indications soon from Harbaugh that he's coming, the AD would be smart to move on.
You can want control over football operations and still hate recruiting at the college level, where you have to fly around the country and begin picking out next year's guys as soon as the season ends. Chip Kelly said something to this effect by mentioning that he actually has more free time in the NFL since he isn''t primarily responsible for bringing guys in.
Brian sure seems to think he's on the radar. His latest post indicated as much, so I wouldn't discount the possibility of Mora being interested in the Michigan job.
Dude immediately revived a moribound UCLA program, which is kind of a big deal. He plays clean, understands elite public school academics, and develops NFL talent.
It's a Saturday and there's no real news. Sam needs to drum up some clicks, because everyone involved with the search (as well as many of the candidates) are doing other things today. Like coaching.
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Game over right there. Fucking RIGGED
More local pilots for skywriting...
Are they bringing back Damefan1 too?
How are the current exit options from the Big 4? I know firm alums tend to go to lots of different places but I haven't seen a breakdown recently.
I'm almost wondering if it would be better to do accounting since it looks like some of the big banks and investment funds appear to be slashing staff. Seems like it might be potentially more stable than a career in finance.
I agree completely. Accounting will open doors for you that a finance degree may not be able to. You will have options at firms, in-house, and even potentially with regulators.
JB has been here almost a decade. During that time, we have frequently fielded a scattershot defense and have had to make do with a frustrating lack of bigs out on the court. Recruiting, outside of one or two good years, has been substandard.
Don't get me wrong - JB is a good guy and has done great things for the program. But mediocrity by definition means "middle of the road," and we have been exactly that.
He's now been here almost a decade. This isn't a Rich Rod situation; there's plenty of material for the AD to make a relatively objective evaulation of JB.
My point is that we have not had a season during JB's tenure where we have been consistently dominant. Do you disagree?
Since when do we evaluate coaches based on one game?
It's a legitimate question. It doesn't make sense that our fanbase pushes for strong recruiting and competition at every position in football but accepts mediocrity in basketball.
We went out and got an elite football coach and have some big advantages, including our national reputation and our recent switch to Nike. I'm willing to give JB a little more leeway, but I personally don't think he's an elite coach. If the recruiting and on-court results continue to be lacking (20+ point runs, oh my) I think Manuel needs to make the switch.
I don't think it's as dirty as some think. I believe it's possible to recruit clean and win, and I think using the excuse that the whole process is corrupt is a way to mask JB's flaws out there on the recruiting trail.
100% agreed. Good but not elite. If we want to take the step to becoming a truly elite program, we need to pay up and get an elite coach who can pull in elite recruits.
He did, but college sports are a "What have you done for me lately?" environment.
Even in the NC-run year we never really blew teams out. We were good, but never dominant.
Yes, which puts Manuel in a tough spot
I'm stating the obvious, but recruiting has consequences. We're seeing that out there with this year's squad.
I like Beilein, but his teams are consistently soft. We have never really played with the urgency and fire that you see in the big time programs.
The toughness and grit are just not there.
Blue just doesn't pop like red does, so it always looks like there are way more of their fans in attendance than the actual number that show up.
The solution in my mind is to make The Game a Maize Out so that the stadium optics reflect the actual home fan attendance. It'd be a start, at least.
Those PSU whiteouts are intimidating - there's no doubt that they make Happy Valley an incredibly tough place to play.
A maize out would be a big psychological boost for the home fans. There's no reason why the Michigan AD can't get off its ass and make the game against the Bucknuts a similarly intimidating experience.
That toilet bowl down in Columbus is consistently blood-red, even in sub-32-degree weather. Not a lot of people own scarlet coats, either.
There's no reason why we can't bring in the maize pom-poms and encourage people to wear the color that makes the Big House fans look best on TV.
From the TV broadcast the stadium seemed pretty loud in the first half.
But visually, the stadium atmosphere didn't look that great. Too much red. I don't understand why the Athletic Department doesn't make this game a Maize Out. Maize looks way better on TV and would have drowned out some of the red. What is stopping the AD from encouraging folks to wear maize for rivalry games?
An Ohio State University. Because they don't deserve the definite article.
Who is funding these Hail & Unite clowns?
Seriously - everything that I've seen from them indicates that this is clearly not a grassroots movement. Just take a look at their website - professionally produced, with PR-speak that definitely appears not to have been written by a student.
Same thing with their YouTube video - professional production values. Just who is behind this campaign, and where are these H&U people getting their money?
“Because of the high cost of living in Palo Alto, I grew up middle class”
No. Just no. What is it with this weird logical fallacy that keeps popping up everywhere?
It's not just Klein - I hear this line of argument all the time from supposedly well-educated people who belive that they're middle class simply because they live in a high-cost area.
It is accurate. That attitude was exactly part of the problem - thinking that we deserve success just because we had been successful in the past. Resting on the laurels of tradtion and entitlement, rather than fighting to win games today.
Stick your head in the sand all you want, but the reality is we were pretty damn close to the edge.
Hoke to Harbaugh
Redefined the Michigan Man nonsense
Ran a PERFECT coaching search
Got everyone on board
Turned a half-empty stadium into a full one overnight
Just a few starting points there for you...
Many of these Plan B guys are damn fine coaches.
But the Harbaugh mania has gotten so out of hand that I worry there will be genuine revolt even if we land what is objectively a "home run" like Les, Mora or Stoops. People are treating a 50% chance of Harbaugh like it's a sure thing and aggresively shouting down those who want to remain cautious. This whole situation is insane...
Schefter is a Michigan guy, so it's probably a pretty even-handed take on the situation. He is one of the few sources who is likely to have contacts in both the AD and the NFL.
Or the misplaced apostrophes
If Harbaugh doesn’t happen it’s going to be exactly like Y2K, with a lot of confused posters retreating to their well-provisioned basements, wondering what could have been.
Mouth Throwup for HC - it promises to run an offense with explosive tempo that will leave a bad taste in the mouths of our opponents.
Define "very realistic." Everything I have seen indicates it's a possibility, but you are overstating the case.
There's going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth around here if it doesn't happen.
This is the same tweet speculation we heard about earlier. Moss and GREGGGG are kinda late to the party here.
Will it come from Kirk Herbstreit?
Or things that grow on the field...
Is it possible that this is a veiled ultimatum from Les?
The rumors are out there that his agent has been approached - maybe this is Les' way of telling the AD that he won't sit around for a month and be Michigan's second choice, and that the AD better decide soon if it wants him or not.
I'd rather have a "Plan B" coach than Schiano et. al, because frankly the 'Plan B' guys are pretty damn good options. That includes (included?) Les.
But suggest anything other than Harbaugh on this board lately and the mouth-breathing idiots will be out in force trying to send you to Bolivia. This place has become a case study in group dynamics over the past couple of days.
I don't want to be waiting for Godot - if there aren't clear indications soon from Harbaugh that he's coming, the AD would be smart to move on.
It's Mora the Younger
You can want control over football operations and still hate recruiting at the college level, where you have to fly around the country and begin picking out next year's guys as soon as the season ends. Chip Kelly said something to this effect by mentioning that he actually has more free time in the NFL since he isn''t primarily responsible for bringing guys in.
We're similar to UCLA academically, except the Michigan football tradition is much stronger.
If Mora is willing to come to Ann Arbor, he'd be an excellent hire. He can bring Rosen and KLS with him, too.
Thanks for the profile, Brian! He'd be a great hire.
Or Saul
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Brian sure seems to think he's on the radar. His latest post indicated as much, so I wouldn't discount the possibility of Mora being interested in the Michigan job.
Dude immediately revived a moribound UCLA program, which is kind of a big deal. He plays clean, understands elite public school academics, and develops NFL talent.
I'm a big fan of his and would rank him right behind Harbaugh on my candidate list: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/cc-jim-mora-jr-everything-michigan-needs
Time for Mora if Harbaugh doesn't come.
Why contact him directly when you can arrange discussions between the search firm and Les' agent and keep things under wraps?
Yup. The image I have in my mind of the typical internet speculator/pontificator is this guy:
It's a Saturday and there's no real news. Sam needs to drum up some clicks, because everyone involved with the search (as well as many of the candidates) are doing other things today. Like coaching.