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|10 hours 29 min ago||You mean your word to the fan base||
can be broken when it pleases him?
Hoke should not have committed to a date today in the first place. Minnesota would also love to know who is starting and plan for him. It was stupid on his part but he compounded the problem by backtracking from his commitment to the fan base telling them they would know today.
Like his football team little things matter and snowball. Not sure why he holds pressers if what he says cannot be relied on.
|10 hours 36 min ago||If you are a sought out coach and had a choice||
to coach a team in the B1G, SEC or Big 12 which would you choose? Urban Meyer should tell you all you need to know. Why would a good coach want to coach in the SEC when he can get the same money in the B1G playing inferior teams?
Coaching in the SEC is a thankless job and you are only as good as your last game. See what happen to Cheznik at Auburn after winning the NC? In two years he was gone. Urban understood this and waited for the plum job at OSU.
I make this point to assert that the available coach pool is larger than you think. The only issue is does the Michigan admininstration have the will to pull the trigger? We wouln't know until after the season but I put my money that Hoke is here to stay unless DB get the axe.
|13 hours 5 min ago||Your ticket is on the way.||
My head is exploding.
|1 day 6 hours ago||Kill is a good coach||
and certainly better than Hoke. He isn't going to be dumb enough to run into the Michigan DL time and time again. Not one team has being able to run against Michigan. Kill will have to find a way to get around the defensive line.
That said, like App state and Miami, Minnesota is god sent to this Michigan team. They are not very good. The 8 point line is not enough. Michigan will win by at least two touchdowns.
We feast on the weak and hand our butts to the strong. That is the state of Michigan football.
|1 day 6 hours ago||Colin Cowherd a fan of Hoke||
said on his radio show today that he was wrong about Hoke. Feels he should be let go. Claims a NFL scout told him that he attended a couple of Michigan practices and said "they don't have any football player's" Colin said I could this be he has had great recruiting classes.?The scout said, "they are not being developed."
His show is nationally syndicated and if kids get wind of this, it will hurt future recruiting.
|2 days 7 hours ago||Realistically this is what Michigan is facing||
1. Out of the NC mix;
2. High probability will not contend for B1G championship;
3. Paying Hoke 4M a year with one year left on his contract;
4. No obvious outside eligible candidate to replace him;
5. Most of the home tickets this year have been sold;
6. Dismissing Hoke now will only lead to paying him until the end of his contract;
7. With his dismissal and assuming they find a worthy replacement it would mean dismissing staff with contracts through next years as well;
8. The replcement coach will demand at least if not more as Hoke makes and probably demand the same for his staff.
9. DB is in trouble and for him to pull the trigger now and fire Hoke only makes Brandon more vulnerable.
To conclude nothing will happen now and I very much doubt anything will happen after the season EVEN though Michigan ends up with a 500 record.
|2 days 11 hours ago||Many of these kids are blue chippers||
4 or 5 star caliber if the various rating agencies are to be believed. Much is made about Hoke's recruiting classes being in the top ten year and year out. What is not mentioned is that though the recruits are 4 or 5 star caliber they must be recruited for the right position, system and coachability.
In other words, it is not the players fault if they are recruited into the wrong environment for their skills. I am sure many of these kids including DG would be very successful in other programs. Hoke and company have turned very talented kids inot medicore players.
Can you imagine how GM and NUss feel today? GM has been successful in almost every program he has been associated with as has Nuss. With what is going on in the program, today and all fingers pointing at the coaching, GM and Nuss's reputations had taken huge hits. Mattison's excellent body of work is now being severely tarnish. Nuss saddled with a less than average OL line coach is paying a price as well. If this continues his aspiration of being a HC is slipping fast.
The program is slowly imploding.
|3 days 4 hours ago||They are not going hemorrhage cash||
Most season ticket holders will continue to buy because there is the expectation of Michigan making a come back. Students tickets provide lttle financial profit. I am not claiming there will not be a less people attending but would it make a significant difference financially if 10,000 less attend?
Next week and thereafter they will get their usual 100,000 or so.
Finally consider the cost to the University if they fire Hoke and bring in a high caliber coach. It would be significantly more in cost than losing 10 to 20,000 in attendance.
It ain't going to happen.
|3 days 5 hours ago||Hoke is here to stay||
He graduates almost all his players and recruits well. He has a winning record. Do you think a school like Michigan will fire him with those credentials?
Where you all are making a mistake is believing the priority of the University is a NC or even a B1G championship. It isn't. What the school wants is a program that graduates most of its athletes and programs with a winning record. Hoke provides that.
FWIW, I have long felt he was the wrong hire and still believe he is not the right person for the job. But I came to recognize what I want is not what the University wants. I predict he will end up with a winnig record this year and receive a short extension with little or no pay increase.
|3 days 13 hours ago||A more important question is||
how much will they play?
|4 days 5 hours ago||You are fast becoming a dinosaur||
Attendance at all major college football games is in a decline. Students in particular are opting out. Easier, cheaper and more comfortable to watch the game either at home or in a friendly bar.
I have attended my share of Michigan football games and though enjoyable they are not nearly as enjoyable as from my living room where I can hollor, scream, cuss and injest a drink immediately to sooth my sorrows.
|4 days 6 hours ago||Moeller resigned in 1995||
because of a drinking video. He had a much better record than Hoke when he resigned. Carr took his players and they became NC.
MY point is unless therte is a total collapse by the team there is no way he will be let go. This will be true even if he yet again loses to MSU, OSU and fails to win the B1G championship.
Furthermore, by necessity he will be given an extension albeit a relatively short one without a significant pay increase.
Though this will exasperate many Michigan fans, the die is cast.
|4 days 8 hours ago||Can anyone recall when a Michigan coach||
with Hoke's record has ever been fired? I am not in the Hoke camp but the reality is too much energy is being spent on whether he will be fired.
Take this to the bank. HE WILL NOT BE FIRED THIS SEASON! He will have a winning record this season, get into a bowl game and probably be given an extension. HOke will be around for awhile.
|1 week 9 hours ago||You make valid points||
but consider what is important under the new University President. Academics! On field sport performances though worthwhile are not priority issues. Graduation rates and development of student athletes are more important. Hoke has proven to be quite adept in delivering on these two priorities.
As long as Hoke doesn't completely fall on his face i.e. have a string of losing seasons he will be around for some time. And I don't see him having many losing seasons. He recruits too well, competes in an inferior conference and schedules mostly cupcake non conference games.
The reality is many schools in the B1G conference are moving on from emphazing their football prowess to stressing more on academics and lesser sports like basketball and hockey. In football they cannot compete with the SE conference or B12 because of geographic issues and academic requirements.
|1 week 11 hours ago||The Ferentz comparison to Hoke is appropriate.||
Hoke isn't going anywhere. He will receive an extension before the end of the season. DB doesn't admit to mistakes. Hoke is his guy. Also, as pointed out by several there really are no viable candidates to replace him.
With an extension hopefully he will continue to recruit well while learning on the job. In a couple of years he may become another Dantonio.
|1 week 1 day ago||Are the first four years of a program under a coach||
a predicter of his performance in the years going forward? It seems to me and I suspect DB the question that needs to be answered. Hoke has one year left. If he has a mediocre year DB either must fire him or give him a contract extension. Keeping him around for the 5th year without an extension will raise red flags for incoming recruits.
BTW, by being patient with Dantonio it worked out for MSU. However, to my knowledge not many other schools.
|1 week 6 days ago||What concerns me is||
in order to get rid of Hoke, part of me is hoping they lose to Miami this weekend. If that happens, he may be gone sooner than any of us think. They could put Nuss in charge, appoint a seach committe and begin the process of finding a suitable replacement.
The reality is as long as Hoke is the coach we will continue to win just over 50% of our games and hope for better the next year.
|1 week 6 days ago||The reaction of the fans||
is a direct result of their expectations of this team. Four terrific years of recruiting along with experience, we expected much bettter on the field.
Crowing about it being the most competitive 31-0 loss is as the say putting lipstick on a pig. Good football teams lose. Good football teams blow games. But good football teams do not lose 31-0 or 38-0.
Finally, a good football team with passion would not react as Michigan did when their quarterback is given a cheap shot at the end of the game. Bad enough you get your ass handed to you but to be bullied on the last play and do nothing is disgraceful.
|2 weeks 4 hours ago||Outstanding post! Sadly,||
the facts are indisputable. The reason why Michigan for now recruits well is because if the brand. Michigan with its history and rich tradition is an allure but that is beginning to dissipate. A debacle on National TV tends to discouraging recruits.
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||Seriously, does Michigan's record matter?||
We are a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. WE are no longer relevant in the national football picture. A once proud program to be feared by opponents is nothing but a shadow of its former self. What the ND game did was to confirm what nationally people were already saying; "Michigan football can no longer be considered a top 25 program."
Finally, beating much weaker opponents to qualify for some out of the way bowl game is not my idea of a team to be proud of. Better they stay home.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Don't forget Michigan schedules a good number||
of patsies for home games. The build their resume beating these teams badly. Those would skew the numbers.
Also, Michigan plays in the weak B!G and beating half them isn't anything to boast about.
The answert to winning games on the road is simple. Coaching, coaching, coaching! Good coaching reduce any advantage a home field has.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I spoke with a person who was on the Michigan||
sideline during the ND game. I asked what were his impression and this is what he said; "Shocking! ND was much faster and played with more enthusiasm. After the second touchdown, the Michigan players gave up and the coaching staff wasn't doing anything to reignite their will to win. When the came out after half time what he saw was resignation that they were beaten. He then said," in all my years on the sideline with visiting teams (he works for ND) never has he seen kids so unmotivated and capitulate so easily to accepting defeat."
His final words to me; "What happened to this once proud program?" A question we are all asking. I guess we need to only schedule cupcakes.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||You are burying your head in the sand.||
We could play ND ten times this season including in AA and we still would lose probably all ten. The disparity is that huge.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Reminds me of||
|2 weeks 2 days ago||WOW that says it all!||
I wonder what the overall cumlative record is of all the teams he has beat. I suspect not much above 50% if that.
Hoke is a mistake and the sooner Michigan recognizes it the faster it can be corrected. The Auburn AD fired his coach after two season with one a NC season. When asked why he did so, he stated that football is about winning and he did not like the trend of the team being uncompetitive against strong opponents.
Look where they are today after two seasons. A new coach who used the prior coach players and developed them into a top top team. I have no doubt that Michigan has the talent. It does not have the coaching staff to develop them into a top tier team.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Years of neglect? Hoke went 11-2 and won the Sugar bowl||
with RR players in his first year. Since then look at what he has done or shall I say wrought! Check the diaries post regarding his record.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I believe he has one additional year after this year||
Fortunately for him he has schedule of patsies ahead of him until he gets to MSU. After that game more patsies. He will survive though he doesn't deserve to. As long as he is running the program, it will be domed to medicority beating bad teams and losing to teams that are fairly good.
I would add that GM time is up as well. He has done many years of exemplary coaching but with age the mind becomes less acute.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||If ND score 31 points||
we are in trouble.
|3 weeks 7 hours ago||Funk has been with Hoke for I believe seven years||
and they are extemely tight. But for DR scrambling the running game for Michigan has been moribund under Funk. Yet, he still survives. That should answer any question as to whether Nuss's recommendation would influence BH.
The only way Hoke would fire Funk is if DB instructs him to do so.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||More accurately stated||
last year poor teams stayed with us to the end and by luck we managed to win. This year we played a poor team and dominated them to the point of embarrassment. I would say that is considerable progress.