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|14 hours 5 min ago||I think a receiver will make||
I think a receiver will make a Gedeon-type impact next year. A guy who didn't get much run because he was behind upperclassmen, but when he gets his chance, makes everyone wonder why he didn't see the field more. Would love for it to be Harris.
|18 hours 7 min ago||Haha, what are you talking||
Haha, what are you talking about? The blowouts against Colorado and Penn State only got more impressive as the year went on.
|18 hours 9 min ago||Right, but they||
Right, but they aren't/weren't recovering from a Hoke sized meteor cratering the program.
|18 hours 13 min ago||See, this is legit criticism||
See, this is legit criticism of Harbaugh's playcalling.
It never made sense to me why they used him as a wildcat QB as opposed to just lining him up at RB. I get the concept of "Now its 11 on 11!" but you lose the possibility of a Speight throw. Not to mention, there were times that we had Speight line up as a WR, which...means it was no longer 11 on 11.
Or why they didn't teach him to run the Denard play. Are you telling me that against OSU if Peppers had lined up at QB and taken a step or two toward the line then fired a pass, that receiver wouldn't have been wide open?
|20 hours 36 min ago||Have it on good authority||
Have it on good authority that Speight is actually transferring to Florida State and will be eligible to start for the Noles in the Orange Bowl. So technically, everyone in this thread is right about him playing, but he's actually playing for the opposition.
|2 days 15 hours ago||Right. So you think we went||
Right. So you think we went Lloydball because of the result.
If you want just 4th quarter possessions (not counting the one starting in the 3rd that went into the 4th), Michigan went pass, run, pass and then run, run, pass.
On the second possession, the runs set up a completely manageable 3rd and 4. Speight then missed an easy slant.
We didn't get the ball back because OSU was bailed out by the officials on their 3 and out possession, a luxury Michigan never received.
|2 days 15 hours ago||On both 4th quarter three and||
On both 4th quarter three and outs, there were plays that should have resulted in 1st downs. Higdon made a bad cut negating one and Speight threw behind Darboh on another.
Its like people didn't even watch the game.
|2 days 15 hours ago||Darboh and Chesson could have||
Darboh and Chesson could have each made a catch for a first down in the 4th in this game, but Speight was terrible after the safety.
|2 days 15 hours ago||We did. Speight went 1-5 for||
We did. Speight went 1-5 for 8 yards and was sacked once. We ran 11 plays after Speight's interception and attempted to pass on 6 of them. We attempted passes on 3 of 4 first downs.
On third and 4 on the last drive, Speight missed an open Darboh on an easy slant that would have given Michigan a first down and drained the clock.
But please, keep telling me and everyone else how conservative we went.
|2 days 15 hours ago||I should have specified.||
I should have specified. After it was 17-14, we threw on first down 75% of the time.
You think we went Lloydball because we lost. That's it.
|2 days 15 hours ago||Yep, its defintely Lloyd Ball||
Yep, its defintely Lloyd Ball to throw on first down 75% of the time in a 17-14 game.
|2 days 16 hours ago||Really can't have a 2006||
Really can't have a 2006 situation where we shit the bed in this bowl.
Need to build momentum for next year.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Wrong. Had Penn State||
Wrong. Had Penn State scheduled a bottoms feeder instead of Pitt and beat them they would be in instead of Ohio State .
|2 days 18 hours ago||This is my hope.||
This is my hope.
|2 days 18 hours ago||You can't just throw out the||
You can't just throw out the results though...
Alabama is undefeated.
Washington and Clemson have one loss and won their conferences.
Ohio State has one loss and beat us.
Really, the only way that Michigan logically could get in is if the committee said "Look, we saw that Michigan-Ohio State game and we agree with Jim Harbaugh: There was a clear bias in officiating that allowed Ohio State to pull out a narrow 2OT win. Let this be a lesson to the Big Ten in the conference that they need to clean up their officiating practices".
|2 days 18 hours ago||Its time to scrap the whole||
Its time to scrap the whole notion of conference championship games and conferences where teams don't play everyone.
Kick out Rutgers and Maryland and play 11 games in conference every year.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Michigan was comfortably||
Michigan was comfortably better than both conference title participants in the games they played.
Michigan was comfortably better than OSU through 43 minutes of that game (and still should have won after that with reasonable officiating).
The loss to Iowa is the one that grates as far as all this is concerned. It threw everything in the conference out of order and now we end up with probably the second best team in the country looking on from the outside (similar to OSU last year).
|3 days 7 hours ago||The entirety of your argument||
The entirety of your argument is based on the result and you know it.
|3 days 7 hours ago||My point is this: People keep||
My point is this: People keep saying the following things:
Our playcalling was conservative in the 4th quarter and that's why we lost! Harbaugh turned into Lloyd!
We needed to pass more on first down in the 4th quarter!
All we needed was one more first down and we would have won the game!
None of this is true (except for the third and it can't be blamed on the playcalling because the playcalls were there to get that first down).
If you didn't like the playcalls that were made after the game was 17-14, what was your issue with them? Had the players just executed two plays correctly, Michigan gets their first downs and wins the game. I only bring them up because they were the most glaring.
|3 days 12 hours ago||Was it the playcall that got||
Was it the playcall that got Darboh open for a first down on a 3rd and 4 that sucked? Or was it that Speight threw it behind him and Michigan had to punt that sucked?
Was it the playcall that set up Higdon for a long gain and a first down that sucked? Or was it that he didn't make the cut and got tackeld for no gain that sucked?
|3 days 12 hours ago||I didn't see that snarling||
I didn't see that snarling wolverine had already gotten to this when I made my post below, but you should listen to him because he's right. You're allowing the result to dictate your feelings toward the playcalling.
|3 days 12 hours ago||Why? Against Iowa, Speight||
Against Iowa, Speight couldn't hit a damn thing after the safety, so what was Harbaugh supposed to do? The receivers were open, he just couldn't get them the ball. And when he did get them fairly difficult catches, both Chesson and Darboh did not make a play.
Against OSU, the silliest notion is that we "Lloydballed" the game away. After Ohio State made it 17-14, Michigan passed on three first downs and ran on one first down. The only drive where they went run, run, pass, Speight had a wide open Darboh on 3rd and 4 and he missed him (and again, Darboh had the opportunity for a play and didn't make it).
People have already made the point about the offensive line having a ceiling, so I won't go into that. But the idea that playcalling somehow cost us these two games is absurd.
|4 days 12 hours ago||They had just scored on their||
They had just scored on their first possession of OT.
|4 days 13 hours ago||The idea that Michigan||
The idea that Michigan "turtled" is completely false. From the Mason Cole face mask on, everything that occured afterward boiled down to player error (outside of the officiating). It had nothing to do with Harbaugh's playcalling:
Cole's dumb penalty is somehow Harbaugh's fault (seriously, is there a worse penalty in Michigan history? Can anyone name anything resembling it?)
Speight throwing a terrible pass setting up OSU inside the 20 is somehow Harbaugh's fault?
Higdon missing a cut/Cole missing a block destroying a possible first down is somehow Harbaugh's fault?
Speight not hitting Darboh on a 5 yard slant is somehow Harbaugh's fault?
Darboh not making a play to help his obviously hurt QB is somehow Harbaugh's fault (interestingly, this also occured in the other games Michigan lost on the last play: Chesson let a somewhat high first down go right through his hands on a pass from Rudock late in the 4th and Darboh had the same thing happen against Iowa).
I will grant this:
He didn't use Peppers correctly (its the one flaw we can all point to this year). But even then, we were dominant for 42 minutes and poised to blow the game wide open without Peppers and then the above occurred.
|5 days 15 hours ago||I believe the attendance was||
I believe the attendance was 110,045 for the BIG Championship.
|1 week 2 days ago||But we did. The screen pass||
But we did.
The screen pass that Cole screwed up with that penalty was a great play.
Higdon had only to make one read and he had a nice gain, but failed and was stopped for nothing.
Darboh dropped a moderately difficult ball on a perfectly manageable third down.
|1 week 3 days ago||What can the playcallers do||
What can the playcallers do differently to make Darboh help his hurt QB out on Michigan's last offensive play of the 4th quarter?
For all the people talking about playcalling: Was it a "great playcall" on OSU's third down play where Curtis Samuel scrambled wildly all over a play Michigan had sniffed out and managed to get Ohio State a reasonable 4th down opportunity? Or was it just a player making a play and dumb luck?
|1 week 3 days ago||Playcalling was fine. Up||
Playcalling was fine.
Up until the 43:30 mark, when Speight threw that god-awful interception (and right after Mason Cole's inexplicable facemask penalty), this is how the game had went offensively:
Michigan: 244 yards 17 points
OSU: 164 yards 0 points
Michigan was in total control of the game and looked to be on their way to a relatively easy win. Then the pick.
After Michigan's offense gifted OSU their 14th point, Michigan ran 11 plays. For all the people saying Harbaugh "Lloydballed" it, Michigan ran 6 passes and 5 rushes. There were no Pepcat plays (which I am in agreement on, was one area that I think Harbaugh never got right). It really did just come down to execution and officiating bias after it was 17-14.
|1 week 3 days ago||The defense three-and-outed||
The defense three-and-outed OSU on the next drive, until the referees decided that what Hill did was now pass interference. They then promptly dropped this interpretation of the rule in OT when it benefited OSU.
|1 week 3 days ago||I said it in another thread,||
I said it in another thread, will say it here:
No idea if the spot was correct or not. Its certainly very close either way.
The real issues were A. the inconsistency of the PI calls (OSU gets two calls to extend drives, Michigan has the same thing happen and does not get the calls) and B. The fact that its simply not believable that OSU had 2 penalties for 6 yards.
There was a clear bias that helped OSU win this game. Yes, Michigan should have still won (had Wilton thrown only one terrible pick or Cole doesn't produce a pointless facemask, its over), but it doesn't change the fact that the officials gave Ohio State a leg up throughout the game.