Rumormongering: ND At Night, Maize That's Actually Maize Comment Count

Brian

A couple of not-very-important bits of information I've gotten from sources I consider reliable follow.

michiganx-large[1]

the last one ended well

Night night night night. I'm hearing next year's game at Notre Dame will be at night. Given Michigan's stated desire for a night game per year and the Big Ten's prohibition against having them in November, we could see a large number of M-ND matchups from here on out in primetime.

howard1[1]

Maize is not BRIGHT BRIGHT yellow.

An increased focus on making things look reasonable. A reader who would know and I trust when talking about these matters tells me the athletic department is placing an increased focus on making maize actually, you know, maize.

This comes after years of increasing highlighter-yellow creep. Anyone who's surveyed a student section and been able to pick out the 10% who still wear shirts that would not blind a donkey knows how alarming the color drift has become in recent years.

This will "take years to happen." Even so, it's a welcome development. Uniform guru Steve Sapardanis liked the brighter yellow last August, FWIW. I prefer the darker shade.

BONUS: If you care and know what the Pantone colors are, they are Blue 282 and Maize 116. If someone can convert those into hexadecimal I will move the primary colors here to Officially Official colors until such point as copyright-drunk lawyers sue me. I confess that I eyeballed them way back when.

[Note for superheroes with the power of pedantry: there will have to be a few different shades of whatever I use for internet purposes.]

Comments

ijohnb

February 8th, 2012 at 12:49 PM ^

there is a difference between what the team wears now and what it wore in 2004ish.  While I don't think that they need to go back to the orangish-yellowish-brownish substance sported by Desmond above, just "yellow" would do.  We should not have to wear sunglasses to watch a Michigan game but at the same time, maize.... eh, no my favorite either.  The John Navarre era, that is when the colors were on the money (unlike many passes).

Ziff72

February 8th, 2012 at 12:49 PM ^

It is interesting to see how dramatic the color differences are and the fact I hadn't really noticed that much.  

Feels like another government conspiracy.  Semiserious questions from me.

1. Did Nike or Adidas have anything to do with the change or was it an internal conspiracy by a coach or AD?

2. If we looked at a 1920 jersey and compare it to a 1950 jersey are the maizes different?   Have they always been changing or is it a recent trend? 

3. How come nobody ever talks about the blue changing?   For a few years during the Bo era I thought our colors were black and maize.

david from wyoming

February 8th, 2012 at 12:56 PM ^

3. How come nobody ever talks about the blue changing?   For a few years during the Bo era I thought our colors were black and maize.

Because 99.9 percent of the fan base doesn't care?

WolverineHistorian

February 8th, 2012 at 12:51 PM ^

I'm surprised ND waited this long to schedule us for a night game again.  It's been almost 22 years since that stupid ass ref measured for a Michigan first down by using an index card under the lights. 

WolverineHistorian

February 8th, 2012 at 1:15 PM ^

Sophomore but yes. 

That happened on a 4th down play too.  ND ended up fumbling the ball back to us a couple plays later and then Grbac hit Desmond with a beautiful 50 yard TD bomb.  I was just a little kid at the time but I remember being confused about the index card thing.  My dad told me I better get used to it.  Because stupid things like that only happen in South Bend.   

mGrowOld

February 8th, 2012 at 1:06 PM ^

If memory serves wasnt that also the game in which God himself redirected a pass intended for Rocket Ishmael into the hands of Lake Dawson for a long (and extremely lucky) touchdown?

That game was the one in which I decided that between God and the refs we had zero chance of beating those a-holes in South Bend.  I mean my senior year the wind magically stopped right before a 50+ yard field goal attempt for reasons that i still to this day do not understand.......

Baxter

February 8th, 2012 at 12:55 PM ^

Pantone 116 Coated:

 

RGB
255  205  0
   
HTML
FFCD00

Pantone 116 Uncoated:

 

RGB
255  181  17
   
HTML
FFB511

Pantone 282 Coated:

 

RGB
4  30  66
   
HTML
041E42

Uncoated 282 is not right... so I'd go with the first set for maize.

Gitback

February 8th, 2012 at 12:56 PM ^

we also need to keep in mind how misleading photos are.  I recall someone showing two different pictures of Jim Harbaugh in action a while back, both from the same game; in one he looked like a Michigan player, in the other he looked like he was wearing a Delaware uniform with shades of West Virginia. 

 

The Maize has "drifted" a bit though, but not as bad as Sparty's green!  I had the pleasure of taking in the B1G championship game and I swear to god you couldn't find two MSU fans sporting the same shade of green in the entire venue.

Don

February 8th, 2012 at 1:02 PM ^

is a fruitless enterprise. Everybody's unique combo of computer, monitor and browser is going to render supposedly identical color formulations differently.

For offset printing—which is what the Pantone Matching System was originally created for—consistency and uniformity is far more achievable since printers and designers have identically printed color guides to refer to (as long as they replace the color guides before they've started to fade, that is).

Lionsfan

February 8th, 2012 at 1:02 PM ^

As someone who's thinking about driving to South Bend next year, playing them at Night would be pretty awesome. Then I can redo UTL pre-gaming again except in enemy territory

jka347

February 8th, 2012 at 1:03 PM ^

While I realize that the neon yellow isn't very true to the original colors, I can't help but like it.  It just looks... electrifying, I dunno.

NCost

February 8th, 2012 at 1:05 PM ^

If you are in Photoshop and open the color picker, then pick Color Library you can scroll the colors:

Blue 282 = 132647 (Solid Coated) (the uncoated isn't even close)

and

Maize 116 = f7ca12 (Solid Coated) or f9bc33 (Solid Uncoated)

BrownJuggernaut

February 8th, 2012 at 1:09 PM ^

While I'm not as worried about the Notre Dame game as most on here, I'm not crazy about adding another night game away from home. It always seems like it's a way of getting that extra homefield advantage.

Or may be Notre Dame just wants to give a bigger early stage for Denard's Heisman campaign? 

vertiGoBlue

February 8th, 2012 at 1:21 PM ^

...I think it's incumbent upon Monsanto to develop a new GMO variety of corn seed which produces ears of corn that match M football's modern "electric yellow" maize. At that point, maize will, once again, be maize.

My personal preference is the electric yellow. But, I don't dislike the "traditional" maize either.

RHammer - SNRE 98

February 8th, 2012 at 1:30 PM ^

...to me, the maize of the late '70's-early '80's will always be the appropriate hue, circa AC v Indiana http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/fbart/aofimage/1982indl.jpg

 

I don't think it has, but I would be curious to see whether Iowa has gone through a similar change over the years, as I always thought their yellow was rather similar to our maize, at least as that maize used to be...  I was born in '76 though, so Bo's era will always be the standard for me.

...also, get off my lawn

maineandblue

February 8th, 2012 at 5:26 PM ^

Third one is my fave (and feels like the "true" colors), but would be curious to see what others prefer. I'm no technologian...would be cool if someone could line these up so we could have a poll. Perhaps even split it into two categories: 1) which do you prefer, and 2) which seem most faithful to our history.

M-Wolverine

February 8th, 2012 at 1:35 PM ^

But this amused me to no end in the MVictors link:

 

...is different from the 1995-NIKE-Amani-Toomer-#18-Cheryl-Tiegs-Fish-Net-large-mesh-Coolio-video-replica-jersey

I have one of those (yes, it's #18), and it's amazing how much bigger the mesh was in that day.  I have a #6 that's even bigger.  It's morphed over the years from an early season hot game day jersey to, as I've gotten older, a winter wear something under it jersey, because really, no one wants to see or give that much exposure after you're 25.  Though it looks great on the right woman.

babarblue99

February 8th, 2012 at 1:37 PM ^

Really like the highlighter maize, particularly on the hoops team. Feel like it was a good way to compete for recruits attention while not offending the traditional fans. If kids like alternate unis, they have to love the bright maize.

93Grad

February 8th, 2012 at 1:37 PM ^

I don't care if it is ND, Air Force, Iowa or EMU.  We absoultely should have 1 home night game a year.  The atmosphere will be electric regardless of the opponent.  I really hope Brandon doesn't weasel out and consider a road night game as a suitable replacement. 

DenverBuckeye

February 8th, 2012 at 2:00 PM ^

It reminds me of how Ohio State's pants slowly went from grey to a silver to an off-white-ish color. Started to become an eye sore. Over the last two years, though, they've gone back to more grey which is how it should be. Definitely will be an improvement for Michigan to go back to more maize. Question: do you guys like the move from Nike to Adidas for Michigan?

Evil Empire

February 8th, 2012 at 2:14 PM ^

IMHO the blue should be very dark, like the original blue on the outside of the stadium.  The official maize color looks too orange to me.  I don't want us to be Cal or West Virginia.

Lighting makes a huge difference though.  Witness the gap between the blue stripes on our Sugar Bowl uniforms (looked almost royal blue) and the blue on the helmets (very dark).  Same problem always plagues the Minnesota Vikings, whose purple jerseys looked much bluer than their helmets under the Metrodome lights.  AOTS people, weigh in here.

imafreak1

February 8th, 2012 at 2:19 PM ^

The first thing we need to do is figure out which version of what picture from which season we will use as the standard traditional uniform to which we must remain true.

Only then can we agree on how things have always been and always should be.

TheHoke.TheHok…

February 8th, 2012 at 2:28 PM ^

The blue has also changed to a near-purple color.  I think our jerseys have gone from incredible to cheesy:

 

 

In fact we should probably color swab the Charles Woodson pic and make it the official colors, because it is perfect.  That blue is the perfect shade.

Purkinje

February 8th, 2012 at 2:49 PM ^

There is 0 use in comparing the shades of maize and blue in pictures from different decades. Not only have the quality of cameras changed dramatically, but the same camera would produce different shades in different lighting. The picture of Denard there looks ultra-saturated... You really have to see these things side by side in the SAME picture to be able to draw any conclusions.