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|8 hours 30 min ago||Any thread that ignores the impact of the officials||
is basically pointless. These teams were/are very even. Had Speight been 100% Michigan would have been narrowly favored. With Speight banged up OSU was narrowly favored. Neither team was going to win by 20+ points and probably not by two scores.
It's hard to stop a team when offensive holding ceases to be a foul. It's hard to use the pass to help the run when pass interference ceases to be a foul. This is especially true when your QB isn't 100%. It's hard to play the field position game that had served you well all season when your opponents are handed gift penalties that keeps their drive alive and you get penalties that kill yours.
Michigan lost because the team wasn't good enough to beat OSU in a grossly unfairly called game. Yes they made mistakes. So did OSU. Change almost any one of the flagrantly one-sided calls and Michigan would probably played Wisconsin for the conference championship.
It's time to stop dumping on various members of the team and realize that whether by intent or simple unintended bias the officiating cost Michigan a game they otherwise would likely have won.
|3 days 1 hour ago||And Jabrill isn't worth your time?||
Winning the 5% might make the difference. Only you can decide what you think his commitment to Michigan is worth with regard to your perceived inconvenience. Since these posts quickly get pushed off the front page I have no objection to reminders as long as voting remains open.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Let us look at this differently||
The short argument is that Michigan's loss to OSU should carry very little wieght because the game was so poorly officiated that it was gift to OSU. That loss keeps Michigan from playing in the BTCC and proving that they are in fact a top four team, but if we set aside Michigan's loss to OSU should we not also set aside OSU's win?
If the resulting score of The Game wasn't a fair measure of the quailty of the teams, then treat it as a TIE. Drop both OSU and Michigan out of the top three or maybe four slots treat thenm as tied for what every slot they land in and reevaluate after the championships are played.
My personal opinion is that, barring a bizarre situation where the conference champ is 8-5 off a fluke win over a much stronger opponent, a team should have to win their conference to make the playoffs. For that reason I have a hard time putting Michigan in the playoffs, as much as I'd love to see them get a shot at a national championship. But, that also means that,for the same reason, I don't want to see OSU in the playoffs. Except in the most unusual circumstances, there is grave peril in devaluing winning a conference championship. As much as we might want that outcome this year, I can see many future situations where we'd regret the precedent.
I'd love to have the playoff committee drop OSU out of the top four specifically because the determined that the poor quality of the officiating had an overwhelming impact on the outcome, and recommend that all conferences work with the NCAA over the off season to significantly improve officiating.
|6 days 13 hours ago||Not so far to go||
Last season in Harbaugh's first year the team out played MSU and lost in a fluke play with no time left. I said then that while it might take a while to match up to OSU, the team clearly had already joined the rest of the top teams in the Big Ten.
This season we out played OSU to a double overtime loss. Whether or not you want to put that down to a bad call or not, clearly those two teams were coin flip even. Remember you are comparing a team in Harbaugh's second season against a team in Meyer's fifth season with five seasons of top five recruiting. Harbaugh's MIchigan has already pulled even with Meyer's OSU.
During the ten year war, it was never certain which team would win The Game, only that it would be a battle of equals, or near equals, and either team could win. That's what you witnessed Saturday and that's what you have to look forward to in the future.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||So a win is a win is a win||
Look assuming Speight isn't 100% next week, or even is he is, the rest of this season is giong to be a knife fight.
We have a great defense, excellent special team play, and if our starting QB be is available a pretty decent offense and if not a shaky but talented offense. Boil this down and what do we have? A team that with a break or two can win it all, but they are unlikely to win it in the dominating fashion many of us would like.
Sniff sniff so sad. Set aside your PTSD. Set aside your notions of how a championship team "should" win. Just enjoy the remainder of the ride. It could end next Saturday, but it could end the week after New Year's day.
I was at the 1998 Rose Bowl. So many of you folks have no idea just how amazing last and this season have truly been.
Go Blue. Win it all!
|2 weeks 1 day ago||All you whining buttercups need to suck it up||
O'Korn is starting against a defense that's played through 10 games this season. You can't expect timing and routes to be as synchronized as they were with Speight. A lot of football left to be played. Buckle up.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Man you folks are really something||
Are you all suffering from PTSD?
Yes Saturday's game was ugly and disappointing. Yes assuming Speight either won't play or will be degraded for The Game, is very troubling and disappointing. But let us all get a grip.
While I wish no back luck to anyone, at this point we don't know who will take the field on either side in Columbus. Barrett could get hurt. Speight could be fine. Hell we haven't seen either backup play a full game in Harbaugh's offense. If Speight can't play, can't we at least wait to see how the team performs in the Indiana game before we abandoned all hope?
Iowa was a night game. Play that game at noon and the heavy odds are that Michigan would have won. Penn State beat OSU in a night game. Had they played at noon the outcome probably would have been different. I understand that teams seeking a championship must be able to win their away games. Despite losing Speight and losing last Saturday, Iowa was still one game.
It does not matter that Michigan hasn't won in Columbus since whenever. Sure the home field advantage is real and OSU gets that advantage this year, but the only thing that is relevant is can the Michigan team that takes the field on November 26th find a way to win.
Last season we watched Meyer and his staff call the worse game against MSU. People here generally think that Harbaugh called an atypically poor game last Saturday. Meyer didn't repeat that mistake against Michigan last year. Do you think that Harbaugh will repeat Saturday's mistake in the next two games? I certainly don't.
Suck it up butter cups. There is a reason the games get settled on the field. Given how both teams have been playing all season The Game was always going to be a tossup going in. Recent events leave be less optimistic, but I'm far from as pessimistic as I was in 2013. A game that while a loss, was far closer than pretty much anyone here, including myself, expected.
Go Blue! Beat Indiana then beat tOSU!
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Harbaugh will adapt the offense to maximize the chance to win||
but adaptation is not transformation.
What differences have we seen when O'Korn played in garbage time? Did it look significantly different? There may have been differences. I'm not knowledgeable enough to recognize such things most of the time.
How will Harbaugh adjust the passing game to compensate for differences in synchrony that Speight has built up with the receiving core? Read the 1 on 1 interview with Butt. He knew where Speight would put the ball as he adjusted his route and actually caught it when his vision was partially blocked. No disrespect to O'Korn, but he and Butt can hardly be expected to know each other well enough pull off such coordination.
Assuming a backup starts, it will be interesting to see what Harbaugh does, and I'm looking to the anaysis of the Indiana game. Which brings up one more thing. A lot of us are looking beyond the Indiana game, discussing it like it's some high quality scrimmage. Indiana has played a number of "better" teams pretty tough this year. Beating them with a backup QB, even at home, is not a given.
So in that spirit Beat Indiana!
|2 weeks 6 days ago||First - Get well soon Mr. Speight!||
Second -- All season long we've not been slow to proclaim how great it is to have 3 QBs who could start on the vast majority of P5 teams. If that sentiment was true last Friday, and I beleive it was, then it's still true today.
I suspect that we'll see a rather different offense no matter who starts on Satuday. We've watched the offense evolve over the season as Speight has gained proficiency in it and his timing with his recievers has improved. Had to imagine that O'Korn (or less likely Morris) will be able to pick up and run the offense with the same sophistication with only a week of prepping to start. However, I have no doubt that Harbaugh will prepare the team to maximize the strengths of whomever starts at QB.
Losing Speght is awful luck for him and the team, but the backups have plenty of talent and at least some real game experience. Keep the faith. Go Blue.
|3 weeks 9 hours ago||Perspective. Can we please seek a bit of perspective?||
This was the tenth game of Harbaugh's second season. The team has improved so much in such a short time that we allowed ourselves to expect an undefeated season. Now that can't happen. Despite that a Big Ten championship and a national championship are still in the cards. Consider how far this program has come is such a short period of time.
As last night's game demonstrated, these opportunities can disappear in a few difficult seconds. Still for now they are all very real and under the teams control. Let's all chill until we find out the injury situation and see how the team adapts.
There's a lot of football left to play and I plan to enjoy every minute of it.
|3 weeks 11 hours ago||Despite the various times it's happened||
It is not easy to go undefeated in the regular season in the Big Ten. Usually even an elite team requires a bit of luck at the right time(s). While the overall quality of play and injuries in last night's game concerns me, all the cloth rending and proclamations of doom are over blown.
With one or two caveats, I still believe this team can win its last two games, win in Indy, and make the playoffs.
1: Injuries - if Speight can't play, it's unclear the degree that Harbaugh will have to alter the offense to maximize Okorn's (or less likely Morris's) strengths. If Strib is unable to play or is hindered were looking at a major falloff.
2: Officiating/luck - There are always going to be bad calls and bad breaks. No point in complaining about them generally one can only hope that they balance out and if they don't the team can surmount them even very late in the game. What we saw last night was that this team has a hard time doing that as things go against them.
So now we put steel in our spines, leave our lost expectations of an undefeated season in the past, and move forward to the next game.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||No probably not||
These guys have a great deal of disdain for Jim Harbaugh. It seems personal and in some cases comes across as dislike or worse. If Michigan regularly, say every three years, is in the playoffs and makes and wins say 50% of their available national championship games, they might get to grudging acknowledgement, but that's probably about it.
The SEC butters these guy's bread and they know it. They are already worried that the SEC will only win if it's Alabama and then only one out of every three or four years, destroying their myth of SEC superiority. They aren't about to contribute to the narrative that the top every team of the power five conferences can compete head to head.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Re: MSU||
As I write this MSU is up 3-0 vs Illinois well into the 2nd quarter. They look nothing like they did last week against Michigan. Although MSU has been in Illinois territory for most of the game either self inflicted errors or the Illinois defense have kept them out of the end zone. The Illinois defense rallied to hold MSU to another field goal with about 2 1/2 minutes left in the half.
There are "down" years and then there are disastrous years. It's not just how many games you lose, it's also how and when you lose them. MSU has lost six in a row. Other than when facing us they look like a losing team. Right now they are struggling with Illinois, who've finally started to move the chains and are at the MSU 20 with a first down and 30 seconds left. Followed by a rushing TD with about 10 seconds left and MSU goes into the locker room down 7-6, having fallen apart at the end of the half.
Whether they win or lose this game, MSU has experienced the collapse of a formerly winning culture. Don't under estimate the difficulty turning a team around after a collapse like MSU has experienced this season.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||From the Heisman website mission statement||
"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. The winners of the trophy epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust's mission is to ensure the continuation and integrity of this award."
Regardless of the historical tendency of the voters to go for flashy statistics, pretty clearly the stated intention of the Trophy is not "about production". The comment that part of the strategy for Peppers to win the Heisman includes educating the voters about the real intention of the award is spot on.
ESPN may be over-promoting Peppers based on your definition of the award's purpose, but not based on the purpose stated by the Heisman Trustees.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Thank you||
"When Chris Frey is attempting to make a tackle, he is not a "defenseless" player.
Bush was PROTECTING the ball carrier, not targeting a helpless player. Hard clean hits are part of football. If plays like this become "targeting" just because of their ferocity the game ceases to exist.
|5 weeks 8 hours ago||Yes in his post game press conference||
I'm paraphrasing here because I don't feel like putting in the time for a transcription.
He says that he'll always scratch for every inch and every point. There was no way to win at that point so he went for two to get the extra point and that he'd always go for two with one second left. It ended up giving us a celebration which was not his intention.
|5 weeks 14 hours ago||"BUT, he was still able to||
"BUT, he was still able to get his guys to play us within a touchdown (yeah last minute, but still we were all shitting the bed after last year)."
Um. Simply no. As is discussed here endlessly, there was no possibility of MSU winning at that point in the game. No one I was watching the game with was remotely concerned about a loss when MSU got their last score.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||And his Hubris adds to Jabrill's Heisman highlight reel||
You just gotta love it. And now there is a far more photogenic replacement for last year's final play. Pride goeth...
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Greeks like Scots are well known||
for being close to a buck. So "pay like a Spartan" means pay no more than necessary, and we all know how wolverines eat...
Go Blue Beat State
|5 weeks 5 days ago||While their winning 7 of 8 is correct||
These two programs have been playing each other a "bit" longer than eight years. I am old enough to remember watching these teams play in the 1960s. The last time when MSU was for a comparatively brief period the state's dominant football program. Then with Bo's arrival things returned to their historical norms and MSU returned to speed bump status except for the occasional win.
At this point Michigan is appropriately favored and has a high probability to win this Saturday. Of course it's football and anything can happen, especially if Michigan has bad luck with regard to injuries. Despite that, the possibility of a loss is not the primary reason to avoid pre-game trash talk.
If Michigan wins, even by 50+ points, I won't be talking trash to MSU folks. I'll be ignoring them, because that is by far the most difficult response for them to handle. I'll also smile because their run, which was clearly coming to an end after last season's game, will be visibly over. Their self inflicted mutual gutting, will provide far more entertainment than any trash in which I might indulge.
It is not coincidence that over the entire history of play between these two programs, Michigan has enjoyed an overwhelming dominance. Compared to MSU, Michigan enjoys a number of structural advantages which make it very difficult for MSU to consistently compete over the long term. Historically MSU's runs of wins occur when Michigan's program loses its way. Inevitably Michigan addresses the issues with its football program and reasserts itself, despite MSUs best efforts to hold its position. I was expecting this to take a bit longer, but MSU has been kind enough to collapse its program in Harbaugh's second year. Once Harbaugh gets his foot on MSU's neck, he won't be removing it anytime soon, and MSU's "rival" status will fade away to once more exist only in the minds of their fan base.
At this season's start I thought that Saturday's game would be a close tough game that, given MSU's home field advantage, Michigan would have to play exceptionally well to win. At this point that shoe is on the other foot, and MSU will have to play beyond themselves to get a win in their home stadium. The odds favor Michigan, but that simple fact means that MSU dominance is over. They are back to their traditional role of spoilers.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||My brother is an MSU grad||
He very much enjoyed his 27-23 comments throughout a family gathering back in April. There happens to be an upcoming family event later this year and if Michigan proves victorious this coming Saturday, the only reference I'll make to football is to mention that I think Michigan looks to have a good shot at beating our rival in Columbus and making the playoffs.
After all, no one comments on the world returning to normal. It will drive him absolutely crazy. MSU fans can't stand it when we ignore their incorrect notion of a rivalry.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||They looked pretty bad in this game...||
My guess is 6th-8th
|6 weeks 1 day ago||What a GREAT night in sports!!!!||
It could only be better if ND lost. But what the heck I'll take it!
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Man it's a pretty damn fine night||
Michigan and the Cub win, MSU and OSU go down to defeat. If only ND had played...
|6 weeks 1 day ago||SACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!||
ba da bing. Now just hold on...
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Tell me again how unbeatable Ohio is...||
Or then again...
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Cubs Make the World Series||
Man this could just be the best sports seaon in my life
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Boom||
|6 weeks 1 day ago||There are six (or maybe 5) really good teams||
this year and NONE of them have demonstrated they're better than Michigan.
FIIFY - Seriously don't beleive the Bama hype. While I'm watching OSU show that a decent defense can muzzle their offense and a moderatly good offense can give their defense fits, which causes me to view The Game with great optimism, there are no guarantees about who will win the Big Ten Championship. Which ever team win's and makes the playoffs, will give the other playoff teams all that they can handle.
My money is on Michgian to win it all. Only God and Harbaugh know what the offensive Peppers packages are gong to look like by the end of the season. Heh. How does an opposing coach prep for that? \
Go Blue Bury MSU!
|6 weeks 3 days ago||The cubs have been breaking my heart for over five decades||
I have no doubt they'll do it again this year, probably in the most agonizing fashion imaginable. But hey Go Cubs!