“ In most cases, video of future opponents is readily available either through institutional exchange, subscription to a recording/dubbing service or internet sites accessible to the general public.”
When the NCAA simplified 11.6.1 in 2013 to the rule that applies today (https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/proposalView?id=3017) they added the title to this thread in the commentary. I think the key is “subscription to a recording/dubbing service” because it’s not specifically defined what that is. So this is all our intrepid young assistant was enthusiastically doing.
October 25th, 2023 at 3:50 PM ^
Went for the ole "wall o' text" title, I see.
October 25th, 2023 at 3:51 PM ^
“Interesting approach let’s see how it plays out for them!”
October 25th, 2023 at 3:54 PM ^
LOL He just pushed like 3 threads off the front page with this title.
October 25th, 2023 at 5:07 PM ^
Survival of the verbose
October 25th, 2023 at 5:24 PM ^
Word for word, this was a comment in a thread already!
October 25th, 2023 at 5:44 PM ^
I swear I didn't see it...
October 25th, 2023 at 3:54 PM ^
OP's take on this was super extra special, we needed to be made aware of it. If he posted it in one of the 1,857 previous posts it would require that someone scroll down and read it.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:10 PM ^
But the OP used super ton lots of words in his title. Must be quite an important thread.
Sigh, what the OP is missing is yes, the All 22 game film is readily and easily attainable. But the All 22 does not have a camera locked onto the sidelines of both team recording every play call as their sent in.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:49 PM ^
Except for public perception, none of this has anything to do with stealing signs, though, right? From an NCAA rulebook point-of-view, it's purely related to in-person scouting of future opponents at their games. My understanding is that sitting in the stands not videoing anything is exactly the same rule violation as sitting there videoing something.
The only part of this whole affair that would really bother me is if Harbaugh knew that something against the rules was happening on his watch and lied about it in his statement.
October 25th, 2023 at 5:02 PM ^
Is Jim Harbaugh's word not good enough for you?
October 25th, 2023 at 11:45 PM ^
If he didn’t know, he should have.
October 25th, 2023 at 3:55 PM ^
Is it possible to create a title so long that there may only be one click option on the MGoBoard?
October 25th, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^
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October 25th, 2023 at 4:00 PM ^
I do this from my phone and didn’t think about the impact to the side bar on the regular front page. Good call out.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^
One of these days, I will get irritated with someone and do exactly this. ^^^
October 25th, 2023 at 3:58 PM ^
Could God microwave a burrito so hot that even he could not eat it?
October 25th, 2023 at 4:01 PM ^
That’s my new favorite microwave joke replacing Steven Wright’s anecdote, “I put instant coffee in the microwave and went back in time.”
October 25th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^
Sir, this is a religion-free space. Any disproving the existence of God's omnipotence using burrito philosophy is not permitted.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:05 PM ^
In the words of the immortal Ned Flanders,
"Well sir, as far as melon-scratchers go, why that's a honey doodle!"
October 25th, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^
Trying to shove multiple posts off the sidebar
October 25th, 2023 at 3:54 PM ^
lol are you saying Stallion's defense should be that he subscribed to an in-person custom iPhone video service?
October 25th, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^
And why not?
October 25th, 2023 at 3:57 PM ^
Or he could say that he still has a Nextel phone! That would preclude him from say,"handing it over!"
October 25th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^
I'm still holding out hope he had his peeps upload the videos onto YT, then he ripped them from YT, then they pulled them down.
Hit every loophole.
October 25th, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^
The content of this post is pretty good but the length of the title is a rookie mistake!
October 25th, 2023 at 4:07 PM ^
OR a clever tactic to hide the meaning.
BTW, I don't mean to bury my sin in yet another signage thread, but it was ALL MY FAULT.
The day the news hit? I wore a blue shirt and a maize t-shirt that day. I never wear maize & blue during football season. Or basketball season. But that day, in a senseless moment of what-the-hell and a determination that I would NOT be ruled by superstition, I put the colors on my back and ventured into the world.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:09 PM ^
Is it? Good content, I mean. I'd put it in one of the many other threads on this topic.
October 25th, 2023 at 3:58 PM ^
So if Stallion established an LLC as a "subscription or dubbing service" this would all be fine?
October 25th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^
Yes. But why even need to be a company? It’s not defined what a recording service is.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:11 PM ^
Bros with phones LLC....venmo the $ and whoop OSUs ass
October 25th, 2023 at 4:23 PM ^
I already subscribe to Bros with Phones and it’s not what you think it is.
October 25th, 2023 at 5:26 PM ^
His buddies are going to end up with tax evasion somehow
October 25th, 2023 at 4:00 PM ^
This is interesting. In the SI article posted in one of the myriad of other threads about this "scandal," Stalions stated, based on my read, he was trying to establish something like a subscription service to help coaches. Since he bought tickets to games for teams who weren't on Michigan's schedule and weren't expected to be, maybe he considered his endeavor to be just that, a fledgling subscription scouting service for coaches.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:00 PM ^
I think the key is “subscription to a recording/dubbing service” because it’s not specifically defined what that is. So this is all our intrepid young assistant was enthusiastically doing.
No, one of the (many) lawyers on this site pointed out that Stalions did not make use of an ongoing established service that provided widely-available scouting services.
He cooked up his own "scouting third parties" for his own specific nefarious use. That's not going to fly.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:06 PM ^
But it's also not necessary to establish that. The broader point is that programs are apparently free to pay for scouting videos.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:32 PM ^
The more I learn about this scandal, the less I understand. So, he can pay a company to do it? I am so confused on why everyone is not doing this.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:36 PM ^
It sure seems like it. I recommend looking at the exchange that OP had with Ghost of Fritz in the thread about the Connor Stallions SI article.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:09 PM ^
Independent. Contractors.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:20 PM ^
The video suppliers worked for game tickets. It’s pretty simple to understand.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:09 PM ^
It doesn't specify that an established service is what you have to use. In fact, the only thing specified is that you cannot do it in person. Stalions from what we know never did it in person.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:14 PM ^
It's a small service right now..got to start somewhere..right now, their only client is Michigan, which is a great start.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^
I think the real key is that the signs are already readily visible available in videos from a variety of sources. It is like insider trading - if it is already publicly available, then it is not a secret and it is not illegal to take action on it.
October 25th, 2023 at 5:52 PM ^
Teams use their signals in broad daylight in front of 100,000 fans and opposing coaches and players where a variety of broadcasters and cameras can and do pick them up for public display. Any Joe Schmoe sitting in the stadium could attempt to decipher them if he knew football. If Stallions or anyone else broke rules then there should be a reasonable punishment, but I find this idea that I should feel moral outrage or like this is ruining the integrity of the sport to be completely ridiculous. Especially when there is no rule requiring teams to call their plays in a manner that runs the risk of being decoded in various ways.
October 25th, 2023 at 11:49 PM ^
Yes, we’ve established it’s a dumb and antiquated rule. But it’s a rule nonetheless, and a program that claims to be “the gold standard of compliance” evidently broke the rules.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^
Sounds to me like he was running a subscription-based recording/dubbing services. I mean... that is... quite literally... what he did.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^
And that’s not prohibited. The ncaa is saying it’s okay to pay for that.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:29 PM ^
Oh exactly! And the first defense I would make is exactly that: Stalins owned and ran a subscription-based video service and that he subscribed to that service. It would make no difference that the only subscriber was Stalins himself. If that isn't a defense here it is an absolute missed opportunity.
October 25th, 2023 at 8:28 PM ^
Considering Stalions thought he was exploiting a loophole by not being at the games himself (and maybe even did exploit it? We'll know when the NCAA finishes their investigation in 2029!), they absolutely should use this.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^
Fuck. Let it GOOOOO! You people are adding NOTHING OF VALUE with your personal hot take. Make a friend who will listen to you. Or get a puppy. Just something else!
October 25th, 2023 at 4:18 PM ^
I have a puppy but he told me to shut up about this last Friday morning and he has been licking his ass since so these posts are all I have!!