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02/20/2019 - 11:38am It's pretty obvious that…

It's pretty obvious that Fleck is a self-promoting climber who's excellent at putting the wool over people's eyes with buzzwords and gimmicks.

That said, there is some evidence to suggest that these type of people can be highly successful in college football.

02/18/2019 - 11:14am They can make as many…

They can make as many documentaries about Ted Bundy as they want, but they will never really know or understand his psychology. The man was a 100% self-serving individual who was incapable of telling the truth. All his interviews were basically pointless as a result.

The only lesson from his story is that bad people doing bad things come in all types and forms, and vigilance is always called for.

02/07/2019 - 11:28am I have no desire to stop you…

I have no desire to stop you from home schooling and can certainly see the advantages in some ways. But most home schooled people I have come across lacked street smarts more than anything else.

K12 can be brutal and Id say my own experiences in school were a decidedly mixed bag, but the painful lessons are often the most useful.

Every office, factory or workshop you will ever work in will be a repeat of the dynamic of school in many ways. I found homeschooled people often struggled with the adjustment to those realities especially if they went to small Christian colleges as well.

02/07/2019 - 10:58am Both my parents are/were…

Both my parents are/were teachers and so were most of their friends, a few of my aunts and various friends from school and college became teachers. What I am saying is that Ive had more teacher exposure in my life than most people, and somehow your hagiographic description of teachers does not match reality very much at all. 

They are mostly just regular folks doing a job. Some are good at it, some limited in their effectiveness by ability or personality, others are just mailing it in. Same as every other job out there.

I am against home schooling though because the social dynamics of K12 education are preparing kids for adult life. Teachers can occasionally play the role of helpful guides, but more often are simply early enforcers of rules and regulation and thus a mix of warden and supervisor. I dont mean that in as bad a way as it sounds. You need this experience to make sense of how life works as an adult.

 

02/03/2019 - 10:25pm They keep saying the whole…

They keep saying the whole country hates the Pats..but really it's the country except Pats fans and (most) Michigan fans. I am not a Pats fan but do get a sense of satisfaction out of them winning.  Did so in 2002 and still do so today. If the Lions are your team you basically feel like a neutral observer come playoff time anyway.

02/03/2019 - 8:06am Billy Madison. I mean even…

Billy Madison. I mean even within the context of these kinds of movies, he was kind of a bad apple. A selfish, borderline retarded manchild whose redemption arc is to pass K12 education (barely) and to briefly play nice so he can get laid with a hot school teacher whose attraction to him is never quite explained. I mean hes a 30 year old whose first instinct is to bully 7 year olds. While hes not without any redeeming features...they are hardly enough to outweigh the negatives.

In contrast, the very similar movie Tommy Boy never gives us any doubt that the protagonist is fundamentally a good hearted, kind guy beneath the wild and unsophisticated surface. The redemption arc also makes a lot more sense and gives us some satisfaction. Tommy Boy is underrated, Billy Madison is overrated.

Also Chris Farley was way better than Sandler.

 

 

02/01/2019 - 11:02pm My perspective is that I don…

My perspective is that I don't give a shit. It's a basketball game in early February. I looked up the score just now. Most of the time you look at basketball teams that had a really good season and see they went something like 28-6 or 29-5 or something. Well the 5 or 6 somehow happens, too.

These nights don't decide how you'll look back on the season. You'll sober up and move on if you're pissed now. If we lose on the first weekend in March, then you'll start your "Beilein is past it" threads and all that, but if we go far - which we can - then you'll say you never had a doubt about how great he is.

01/30/2019 - 7:49am If you look at that thread…

If you look at that thread you’ll recognize a lot of names from the football doom and gloom threads. I call that group the ‘hyper emotional, over-invested and/or plain retarded folks’. A few legit drinking problems likely as well. 

Every time I see some dude talk like the football team is just the worst ever while hyping up the hoops team now, I want to empty a glass of water in their face and tell them to pull themselves together.

 

01/29/2019 - 5:37pm I can kinda get it..and…

I can kinda get it..and given that OPM told everyone to go home early today due to the chance of about an inch of snow I can't really complain.

But I know some of the technicians I work with in the Midwest have to go out there and work no matter what the wind chill temperature is. I imagine the majority of private sector employees will probably still be expected to show up. It's not exactly much of a preparation for life after college if you get to stay home because it's cold in a place widely known to be very cold in winter.

01/21/2019 - 9:20am I think it’s hilarious that…

I think it’s hilarious that people say we are trying to play offense like the Pats. Brady attempted over 40 passes in a game they led for much of its duration. The Pats have been all about a nearly unstoppable short passing game for nearly a decade now. They run spread formations and then Brady gets the ball out quickly. Yes they run the ball too but when they arent running they are looking more Mike Leach than Harbaugh.

01/19/2019 - 2:53pm Who would have thought a…

Who would have thought a certain % of Michigan fans who're total bitches about the football team also turn into total bitches about the basketball team when things aren't literally perfect.

01/14/2019 - 1:09pm Personally I think the whole…

Personally I think the whole gymnastics program should be eliminated. It's just asking for trouble. The sport is all about the athletic and aesthetic exploitation of youngsters. I don't see what benefit there is for the university in running this program.

01/10/2019 - 10:11pm I'm surprised by the…

I'm surprised by the positive reaction to this hire. It's a hell of a jump for this fella. Big risk, big potential reward type move.

01/09/2019 - 9:04pm Eh who cares. Some people…

Eh who cares. Some people here are so doom and gloom, and really it's their own frickin fault for blowing every bit of adversity so massively out of proportion. I say that if you can't find any joy supporting the football team because they're frickin 10-3 (!) then you'll probably sooner rather than later find a reason to complain about the basketball team, too.

I mean what champions you are to find your love for basketball when they're undefeated and ranked in the top 3 in the country coming off a national championship game appearance. The world would probably end for you if by some fluke they lost in the 2nd round of this year's tournament *which could happen and yet would in no way actually invalidate what Beilein has achieved here*.

This forum and fanbase has more wet noodles without a backbone in their bodies than any other environment I've ever been in. It actually manages to be worse now than it was in the darkest days of Rich Rod and Hoke because the gap between reality and the crying on here is so much bigger than it was then. I mean, at the end of the Hoke era with the Brandon thing going on too there was a real reason to feel some despair about things...but now they're winning 10 games most years and that's somehow the worst thing on earth worth crying about every effing day. Jesus effing christ.

01/08/2019 - 8:34pm Michigan Trgovac rumors have…

Michigan Trgovac rumors have been around for a long ass time. When Jim Herrmann left, he was supposed to be the next DC. He's an easy rumor to spread, so I doubt it's legit.

01/07/2019 - 9:37pm Clemson made the jump from a…

Clemson made the jump from a solid, but by no means all that impressive, team to what they are now when their defensive line started to be a revolving door for NFL-level athletes that look like men playing against kids in most of their games.

We can argue about how Clemson of all places turned into a magnet for such athletes..but it happened..and I have a hunch it's not because Dabo Swinney is a once in a generation level coach.

01/07/2019 - 8:26pm I knew there'd be people who…

I knew there'd be people who think this is okay, because after all it's always been part of a certain type of Michigan fan's pose to act like we're all above this childish rivalry thing and can take a mature, serious view on things.

Also, people who compare this to the normal world. This actually isn't normal in the real world either. When companies have rivals, as some do, it is far from normal and almost guaranteed to create bad blood and major irritations if important employees move to that rival. That's why there's still non compete clauses in spite of their questionable nature. Hell, I don't have a non-compete clause but if I decided to take a job with my employer's fiercest competitor, I'd be persona non grata to the folks at my current employer pretty instantly.

So what I'm saying is that this certainly makes me dislike Greg "Judas" Mattison quite a bit. Dude is basically dead to me, regardless of how much of an impact this makes in terms of actual results.

01/07/2019 - 12:11am Confluence of factors…

Confluence of factors...certainly true. But of course the same holds true when results arent great as well. And yet people will call coaches worthless and useless on the flimsiest of evidence. How convinced people with little to no in depth knowledge of the team’s inner workings were that Drevno was the worst..., of course, now its Pep or maybe Jay Harbaugh even. Its almost like they always need a scapegoat when their team fails to make them happy and to distract them from their shitty lives.

01/05/2019 - 10:42am Student body demographics…

Student body demographics. Students that dont care about football turn into alumni that dont care and without alumni pressure the administrators - who seldom care about football at a personal level anywhere - will deprioritize football.

Its the mirror image of the SEC/Texas/OSU type situation where the community around the university is so invested in football success that the school engages in Faustian bargains left and right. 

USC is the only school in the Pac where theres a bigger outside pressure to be good at football because its the school that has a real fanbase and attracted the kids who care about football at college for a long time. They shifted toward more of a UCLA type approach institutionally in the early to mid 00s though and I suspect theres going to be a major disconnect between the older alumni invested in football and many newer alumni who are only vaguely aware they have a football team.

01/04/2019 - 9:12pm USC is down, Oregon is down…

USC is down, Oregon is down. Other than those two schools there's probably no-one in the conference quite with the reach to be a consistent contender. Washington is the big dog now, but they're not a super team that can be reliably expected to be a 0 or 1 loss team. Washington is a bit like us except their lows were lower and now they're a bit closer to contention (tho perhaps mostly because the conference is lacking a team at the level of OSU).

01/03/2019 - 12:55pm Perhaps not but the current…

Perhaps not but the current RB coach at Alabama played QB at the DII level and has never been a RB coach before at any level. 

It shows a remarkable lack of familiarity with how college football works to think that RB coaches are experts for RB play who instill that wisdom into the kids and make them good RBs. This particular position coaching role ( along with the TE and ST roles) is often enough simply an at-large role for a top recruiter or otherwise valuable guy. 

Whether Jay Harbaugh is the best we can do for that..who knows but its not the reason we lose to Ohio State or anyone else. If Jim Harbaugh wanted to hire a guy in particular hed find a role for him. Jay isnt keeping those guys out of a job.

01/02/2019 - 2:56pm Chase’s remarks are candid…

Chase’s remarks are candid enough to illustrate that yes there was a motivation issue for some players. I think it’s becoming clear that there is a trickle down effect when players skip this game. It sends a message to everyone else too, from freshmen to juniors, that this isnt a game you want to play too hard or risk injury in. The erosion of bowl games’ relevance is apparent and likely unstoppable.

The problem is that this isnt soccer...you cant just play football with 75% effort, you cant play it without taking risks. Bowls days are numbered.

01/01/2019 - 7:15pm Ohio State has some…

Ohio State has some structural advantages over Michigan which help them in particular to recover when they're down and to dominate us when we're down. They just need to own Ohio. That's all they can focus on. From that foundation they can stretch themselves further afield..but the heart of it will always be Ohio.

Michigan needs Ohio, too, but even when we have a temporary advantage over OSU..it's their home turf not ours so we will never drive them out. And in turn, if we're down like we've been then OSU can make our recovery much harder by pressing their advantage in Ohio home. The simple reality is that without the close proximity to Ohio, Michigan would have never been able to establish itself as a national football power in the first place. Yet our ability to harvest Ohio is volatile, unlike OSU's.

Michigan in response has expanded its recruiting to different regions, much like every other school that needs out-of-area recruits to survive..and we do better at that than most. We can compete in the Mid-Atlantic, we can compete on the West Coast, the Deep South etc. but it's always an uphill struggle depending on momentum, hype, expert recruiters and so forth. That makes Michigan innately a harder job than OSU. That's why the negativity that often surrounds it is so damaging as well: at Michigan, the perception of trouble can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

12/30/2018 - 7:23pm No you don't. The talent is…

No you don't. The talent is very good, but they are not at the level of the super teams like Bama, Clemson and yes OSU under Meyer. 38 wins in 4 years isn't 'mediocre' in a P5 conference either. Purdue is mediocrity.

Have we played well above our talent level under JH? No. Have we played well below it (like we did under Hoke)? Nope. We're basically at a decent baseline of being a good team in a P5 conference.

Do I wish it was more? Sure. Do I think that tearing it all down and starting over makes that any more likely to happen? Hell no. Do I think that Jim Harbaugh deserves to be given the long-term chance to elevate the program from this baseline of historic Michigan success to levels not seen in a long time? Yes. Absolutely.

12/30/2018 - 6:51pm This "No championship in 4…

This "No championship in 4 years? Let's tear it all down again." mentality among college football fans is one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. Yes, there is a point where you gotta pull the plug,..10-3 isn't that point. Not even close. If we had lost some of those other games (which now suddenly don't count as big games anymore to many of the idiots here), yeah another 8-5 would have been pretty bad and would have put Harbaugh on the hot seat for real. 10-3 doesn't.

10-3 is disappointing given we were 10-1 in mid-November and everyone here was drunk on their dreams of playoff glory..but it's also pretty acceptable for pretty much any football team out there. Disappointing and acceptable only seem like contradictions to those with a toxic, childish 'all or nothing' mentality. If I hope for an iPhone XS Max for Christmas but end up getting a Samsung Galaxy S9 I might think that's disappointing..but in reality a Samsung Galaxy S9 is a fine phone and will do a solid job for you. If you throw the Samsung Galaxy S9 in the trash and cut ties with the person who got you that 'disappointing' gift, you're a moron.

Not getting what you wish for, not being in the position you dreamed of doesn't mean what you have has no value and should be discarded. If people lived their lives the way people seem to think football programs should be run, there'd be about one murder suicide per week in every subdivision in the country.

12/30/2018 - 6:43pm Given the Lions' history…

Given the Lions' history..even a meaningless blowout win in Green Bay is probably enough of a good moment to make up for drafting a few picks later.

12/29/2018 - 3:54pm Harbaugh wont be fired. And…

Harbaugh wont be fired. And should not. If you cant cope with that...cheer for another team. End of story.

12/29/2018 - 3:51pm Lol at a Michigan fan who…

Lol at a Michigan fan who uses “Bo” as an insult. You are a fool and really the advice to find another team to cheer for is definitely underused around these parts these days. 

12/29/2018 - 3:47pm It is meaningless in the…

It is meaningless in the sense for this to be a meaningful representation of Michigan football the coaches would need to have all their players at their disposal. As it is however an ‘optional team activity’ in this day and age, itd be silly to pay all that much attention to it.

12/29/2018 - 3:31pm OSU was bad, today was a…

OSU was bad, today was a meaningless scrimmage so nothing that happened today should affect your view of anything.

12/27/2018 - 7:51pm Anyone else with Don Brown's…

Anyone else with Don Brown's success in this role would have already left a year ago, so all the hand-wringing is pretty misplaced. The fact he's likely to be here for a year 4 is purely down to age and his long-time off-the-radar status and no-one can ever blame him for trying himself at HC on a FBS team.

Any future replacement who is younger and on the upward career trajectory *will* leave within a year or two of big success just like Durkin did. Any future replacement will almost certainly also have bad games, especially against the best opponents we face.

12/26/2018 - 4:05pm There are no tornado…

There are no tornado warnings in the area, theres not even a severe thunderstorm warning in the DFW area. But it is true that itd likely be a messy and hardly enjoyable affair if they tried to get the game in today as there are storms in the vicinity and will be over the next several hours.

That said, that storm threat was in the forecast, so either you postpone the game in advance or try to get the game in no matter if it takes 12 hours. I wonder just how interested both those teams actually are in playing the game.

 

12/23/2018 - 9:26pm The biggest losers of the…

The biggest losers of the Rutgers/MD in the Big Ten situation are...Rutgers and Maryland.

I work with a ton of Maryland fans and none of them like being in the Big Ten. They have little chance of winning the conference in football or even basketball. And then they're no longer playing the teams that mean something to them. Playing Duke, Virginia and UNC in hoops means a ton more to them than playing Michigan, PSU or OSU in football. When I talk about Michigan with them, you'd never know we were in the same division in the same conference. They look at it like a random Pac-12 school's fan would.

12/23/2018 - 9:02am Half the people here are…

Half the people here are either complete lunatics or MSU/OSU trolls. I am not sure which prospect is more concerning.

On the other end of the spectrum, I was amazed by how nonchalantly this blog moved to a position of arrogance and even condescension at the slightest hint of the Michigan football team being good. Lets not forget a Punt/Counterpunt segment which usually featured a contest of two writers trying to find the most whimsical and incoherent way of predicting a Michigan win. Maybe the dichotomy of BPONE in the face of adversity and the assumption of permanent dominance after successes is just a bit toxic? 

 

12/23/2018 - 9:02am Half the people here are…

N/M - Double post due to forum issue (which could be another grievance tbh)

12/21/2018 - 1:09pm So you got no evidence and…

So you got no evidence and you just nonchalantly accuse your own school of major violations  based on some vague ‘everyone’s doing it’ notion. Gee im such a pollyanna for not believing in making speculative accusations of considerable wrongdoing in a matter of fact way about an institution I support. Penn State and MSU fans are denying shit thats actually been determined in investigations and trials and here is a group of Michigan fans who don’t even need any hint of evidence to accuse their own of wrongdoing.

This is just a part of a sort of ‘woker than thou’ self-righteous pose common among Michigan fans. After all noone can take that precious moral high ground from you if you are your own harshest critic, right? Stupid.

12/21/2018 - 10:53am all the people saying…

all the people saying Michigan is paying players too...do you have any evidence or do you just get off on committing libel vs the school and program you claim to be a fan of.

what im saying is...gtfo and start focusing on your posting career on your MSU/OSU site of choice.

12/20/2018 - 6:52pm That roundtable would likely…

That roundtable would likely be pretty interesting actually. Certainly unique viewpoints represented there.

12/20/2018 - 5:01pm I dont really follow the NFL…

I dont really follow the NFL very closely. I havent watched a full NFL game in about 3 or 4 years. But I generally know the scores and the big storylines simply because its so omnipresent in the sports media. 

12/20/2018 - 4:27pm Quo vadis, Quavaris?

Quo vadis, Quavaris?

12/18/2018 - 7:59pm I've got to give some people…

I've got to give some people here some advice:

(1) Go back to RCMB or Bucknuts.

For the real Michigan fans I have some other advice:

(1) It's OK to be upset, and we all know the reasons already, but it's not OK to try to make others miserable just because you are. It's a bad character trait that will have a destructive influence on your life in general.

(2) Don't mix up how Michigan football is doing with how *you* are doing. Michigan losing a game, heck, Michigan losing 14 out of 15 doesn't have crap to do with *your* life. If you feel like it does, take a step back and re-focus your life.

12/18/2018 - 7:16am Pretty funny. The number one…

Pretty funny. The number one choice of sports apparel among bangers in L.A. is Dodgers gear and yet it’s also worn by multitudes of regular folks from little kids to old ladies. Trust me, those hoodlums have a way of knowing that your Midwestern ass isnt part of a local Crip set.

12/17/2018 - 8:36pm Without claiming to know…

Without claiming to know anything about the 'inner workings' of the program..I don't consider transfers per se to be a sign of something being 'very wrong' or 'very bad'.

In some ways, I would be more concerned about the program if people didn't transfer. Let's face it, if you run things the proper way you'll piss off a percentage of those kids. A lot of those kids are immature, selfish etc. and many of them will have their little conflicts with figures of authority. Some will grow out of that, others will just throw a strop and pack up and leave.

I actually don't trust the programs that don't have kids leave unless the coaches tell them to eff off...because that sounds like a professional program, not an amateur one. You stick with a bad situation if you get paid and rely on it.

12/15/2018 - 4:24pm It wasn't a well played game…

It wasn't a well played game on Michigan's part. If that's a Big Ten game they lose with that performance for sure. But every team has this type of game once in a while (hence why every team loses at least a few games each season).

12/15/2018 - 10:11am I don’t know what is…

I don’t know what is ambiguous about what I said. I said since WW2 because noone cares in reality about what happened 80-120 years ago. Just like hardly anyone even remembers Newcastle’s stretch of dominance with three league titles between 1905 and 1909 or Huddersfield’s three titles in a row in the mid 1920s.

Michigan comparisons to Liverpool stem from the notion of a far more recent fall from grace. Liverpool however were easily and by far the most dominant team in England from about the 1960s through the late 80s and one of the most dominant teams in Europe. They  of course haven’t won a league title since (and really have only come close even a couple of times) and have fallen behind several other clubs in the European pecking order which is how Michigan fans relate. But Michigan has been more often than not a very good but not great team since WW2. There were no dominant 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s. Michigan’s track record is one where this year stands as a pretty typical season within the context of the last 70 years. A comparison to Liverpool is basically a denial of Michigan’s real standing in the competitive landscape of college football.

12/14/2018 - 1:30pm Michigan isnt Liverpool…

Michigan isnt Liverpool because Liverpool were far more dominant in their dominant era than Michigan has been at any time since WW2.

The fact Michigan fans think they are Liverpool proves we’re Spurs or maybe even Newcastle.

12/06/2018 - 8:02pm Basketball championship…

Basketball championship would be cool, football championship would make me wake up with a smile for about a month thereafter. (So no).

12/06/2018 - 8:00pm Sort of. College hockey is…

Sort of. College hockey is kind of a tough sport to follow if you live outside the hockey footprint.

12/05/2018 - 8:03pm Him getting hired by ESPN…

Him getting hired by ESPN was probably the signal for me to stop watching it very much. It's not that he's a Buckeye, there seems to be about a dozen of those in the national sports media at any time, it's that he just seems pretty dumb.

12/04/2018 - 11:25pm One of the dumbest and…

One of the dumbest and weirdest things in sports discussion is people complaining about other people's predictions before the event has taken place i.e. when no-one knows how smart or stupid a prediction actually is.

Maybe the downside of all this 'we're a basketball school now' B.S. is that the entitlement and arrogance that has poisoned Michigan football is now coming to the basketball scene as well. Every basketball team in the country will lose a number of games this year...so one day soon Michigan will drop a game you fully expect to win. And it could easily have been this one.