Just the facts...and a little perspective

Submitted by MGolem on

Jim Harbaugh played in the AFC Championship, and came one dropped hail mary from playing in the Super Bowl; he was also a pro-bowler the same year.

Jim Harbaugh gave birth to Stanford football as we know it today.

Jim Harbaugh resurrected a moribund 49ers team and came one muffed punt from coaching in back-to-back Super Bowls.

In Jim Harbaugh’s time as the coach at Michigan he has not gone a full season without losing at least one quarterback at some point during the year.

Michigan is one of only two teams in the current top 25 starting a backup quarterback due to injury (Georgia is the other); no other team is starting their third stringer. Michigan is the only team in the top 25 who has played, and won, a game with three different starting quarterbacks.

Now...for a little perspective: In 2013 Jimbo Fisher’s Florida State team was crowned National Champions; they also went 13-1 the next year. His current team, who was in the top 2 to start the season, is 4-6, with a backup quarterback. Two years ago Mark Richt was run out of town at Georgia. This year his Miami team is 10-0 and ranked number 3. Does anyone think Jimbo Fisher forgot how to coach? Does anyone now think Mark Richt is one of the three best coaches in the country?

Anyone who suggests Harbaugh doesn’t know what he is doing, is somehow overrated, or better yet is the “fourth best coach in his own division” is ridiculous.

 

 

maize-blue

November 18th, 2017 at 11:04 PM ^

Hoke won 7 games his third year. Harbaugh will have only won 1 more in his third. We'll be fine but there will be tremendous pressure to win in 2018.

Ajcoss

November 18th, 2017 at 11:08 PM ^

The thing that scares me about the future is this offensive mindset. This old school smash it offense is ancient. Lots of the really good teams have stud front 7's who can stop the run. Even Bama and Saban made some changes. However, they might be a rare exception. But they recruit 5 star lines and RB's every year. Tough for UM to do with being a north school and academic standards. However, nobody else is winning year in and year out at a high level when they play "smash it football". We can do "pro style" but even pro teams run 3-4 wide sets. We run more 6-7 line fronts and 1 WR than any team I have ever witnessed. Just think it will be tough to succeed at the highest level year in and year out offensively. Puts too much pressure on the D. Anyone else agree?

Occam's Razor

November 18th, 2017 at 11:14 PM ^

We need to run those fronts with only 1 WR because our line is THAT BAD. 

Our Oline is terrible. Thus we need all the bodies we can get to help them out. 

EVEN THAT doesn't work all the time as we saw today where 3-4 man rushes still got to Peters. 

When our TEs and RBs DO HELP they either get flagged for chop blocks or they completely whiff resulting in the QB getting mauled. 

 

It's a lose-lose situation. The problems start at Oline. Frey and Drevno are not getting it done. 

 

Jaybaugh to a lesser extent needs to feel the heat too. The RBs can't pass protect either. 

MGolem

November 18th, 2017 at 11:35 PM ^

But this seems like a poorly timed comment considering we just got beat by a top 5 team that fits this exact description. Michigan's roster is going to look a lot like Bama's in a few years if we continue recruiting like we have. At that point we will have Wisconsin's toughness with more talent at bascially every position. Sounds like a good recipe to me.

MGolem

November 19th, 2017 at 1:57 AM ^

Is already a better QB prospect than Hoke ever reeled in. And at the single most important position.

Maybe like Bama is too strong of a comparison but if you have Long and Hill as fourth year players backed up by guys like Ambry Thomas in his third year you will have a hell of a squad. We had ballers at a lof of positions last year backed up by freshman. Now we have younger ballers playing also backed up by freshman. When we have seniors backed up by juniors we will be ready to roll some folks. 

bo_lives

November 19th, 2017 at 11:40 AM ^

First of all, Shane Morris was more highly touted than Brandon Peters coming out of high school. To say he didn't pan out is the understatement of the century, but your statement about QB prospects is incorrect.

And you can't just name a handful of players (Long, Hill, Thomas) who have hardly even played so far as evidence that we'll have an amazing roster going forward. I remember in 2011 Brian & co. were pretty certain we'd have one of the best OL's in the country in 2013 (Kalis, Lewan, Magnuson) but that didn't exactly pan out now did it? They already have a deep defense and had one last year too. The problem is on offense, where there are still lots of question marks as far as who will play what position and how good they'll actually be.

Coldwater

November 18th, 2017 at 11:11 PM ^

QB position in severe turmoil, pass pro is non-existent, safeties will eventually give up big plays, and oh yeah, OSU is next. We’re fine..everything’s fine.

Michigan Made

November 18th, 2017 at 11:11 PM ^

same argument for Rich Rod. Has he forgotten to coach? what you fail to take into consideration is it Harbaugh isn't the only one involved. He's had coaches to help him get to where he has gotten. The only coach having success on this team is done Brown. if you can't see through the play-calling alone that there has been a loss of luster and ability with Coach Harbaugh and his coaching staff then there is no help for you. Younger teams are doing better. And one more question why are the quarterbacks going down so frequently? in 3 years he should have an established offense of line knowing what you had stated about his prowess. something is amiss.

The Krusty Kra…

November 18th, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^

would end with Harbaugh's arrival. Last year really was a dagger to the heart. Iowa was death by a thousand papercuts, OSU was a Mortal Kombat finisher because you knew some way, some how, they'd win that game and the Florida State game, while bonkers, basically was decided because our entire kick coverage team had a simultaneous aneurysm (which we saw again today on punt coverage, Nelson escaped EVERY GUY BUT ROBBINS)

The one thing I will say is the road games are not an excuse next year. Is playing on the road hard? Absolutely, but we haven't won a signature road game since 20-god damn-06. I know it's been relatively dark times since then but it's not so much losing the road games, it's that they look so flat compared to the opponent. Come out swinging and beat the hell out of ND to start next year and write your own legacy. We're coming close to falling back into the 'Mediocre Michigan' mess and it's funny because last time that term was used in the 1990's, it was because the team missed the Rose Bowl every other year. 

Perkis-Size Me

November 18th, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^

Oh great. More “give Harbaugh time” and “this team is so young” excuses.

OSU made the playoff last year playing a bunch of freshmen and sophomores, and they beat our team of 40+ seniors for the fifth year in a row. They’re likely going to put an absolute whooping on us next Saturday. I’m so fucking tired of this wait till next year BS.

I know what you’re trying to say, but these are just excuses. Fisher and Richt also have the benefit in either this year, or in the last year or two, of winning “the big game” and/or beating their rivals. Or winning a national title in the last few years, Harbaugh has not won a truly big game, a program-defining win, since the minute he set foot on campus.

If he pulls a miracle out of his ass next Saturday I’ll shut my mouth. But it is what it is pal. And right now, this program as a whole just isn’t very good.

Trader Jack

November 18th, 2017 at 11:40 PM ^

Uh, what program have you been watching for the past decade, pal? Harbaugh has Michigan in the best shape going forward that it’s been at any point in the past 10 years. Michigan has four 10 wins seasons in that time; Harbaugh is responsible for two of them.

What has happened in the past decade that’s given you such a sense of entitlement that a potential 9-4 season with one of the youngest teams in the country, down to its 3rd QB, is grounds for moaning and complaining about the best Head Coach we’ve maybe ever had?

RickyPowers

November 18th, 2017 at 11:53 PM ^

Best head coach we’ve ever had? Based on what exactly??? It’s the Kool-Aid drinkers like you that crown Harbaugh “best coach we’ve ever had” after beating no one of import and coming close to beating Sparty and OSU that make me fucking sick. Nobody wants Harbaugh fired, and he’ll get all the time he needs, but you LOSE DOGS really need to shut the fuck up.

taistreetsmyhero

November 18th, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^

Obviously he didn’t “forget” how to coach.

The issue is that there is a huge amount of luck in reproducing success from one place to another. It’s not like coaches bring their exact same coaching staff into the exact same recruiting landscape with the exact same cupboard to start off.

HailHail47

November 18th, 2017 at 11:19 PM ^

I know this is frustrating for everyone. I firmly believe we will have a breakthrough under Harbaugh soon. It will be glorious, and will be even more sweet after all of the struggles. Those who stay...

Mpfnfu Ford

November 18th, 2017 at 11:30 PM ^

What Michigan team did you ever root for? Are you old enough to rememeber Yost teams? When has Michigan ever been a program that was guaranteed to win 10-11 games every single year and any deviation from that a sign of sure incompetence?

Bo had a 79% winning percentage and they named the department after him. He had some 3-4 loss seasons, and that was with a big chunk of his coaching career taking place when the Big 10 was total garbage aside from him and Ohio State. 

Lloyd had a 75% winning percentage, and a national title. Aside from that one magical season, Carr never had another season with less than 2 losses. 

Harbaugh is sitting here with a 76% winning percentage and in the ten years between Harbaugh and Carr, the team was complete garbage aside from one horse shoe season powered by Denard. What world do you live in where Michigan should be furious and ready to fire people after a season with 3-4 losses with a team full of underclassmen and two injured quarterbacks? And that's before you start "bringing up excuses" about how fluky the Michigan State game was.

I'm sorry, it's insanity to be as pissy about a team that was an inch from the playoff a year ago taking a step back with this many young guys in key positions as some people are.

bo_lives

November 19th, 2017 at 1:24 AM ^

You want to know what B1G football purgatory is?

Beating Rutgers, Maryland, Minnesota, Purdue, and Indiana, and then losing to OSU, MSU, and Wisconsin. Harbaugh hasn't won jack shit in over a year.

Also they weren't an inch from the playoff last year. They'd have had to beat Wisconsin in the B1G Championship which was no guarantee.

Wendyk5

November 18th, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^

I don't think he's overrated but I do wonder if something else is going on that's distracting him or sucking his enthusiasm known to mankind out of him. He doesn't seem as passionate as in the past. Just a feeling I've had lately. 

BoCanHam15

November 19th, 2017 at 1:25 AM ^

People act like they stay with the man. Some people on here are robots. Can you tell how a man feels just by looking at him? No! But you’ll just agree! Hey I️ have some oil in my backyard and I️ just need to borrow a million dollars to get it to you. Then Harbaugh will be back to his old self! Lol

Francisco133

November 18th, 2017 at 11:48 PM ^

And stop with the bs off-season antics. I mean the receivers? Come on Michigan always gets good WRs. This Crawford guy is garbage and he's wearing #1 Mceon or whatever his name is our best??? running backs are meh ok. Defense is not bad I'll give him that. QB peters is ok. But in the college game it really helps to have a guy that can run a little. Peters could of done some more damage if he were a little more athletic and mobile. And big games. Sheesh hot garbage. I'm not even watching next week. I live in Texas and watch a lot of longhorn football they have a TRUE FRESHMAN and dude can ball he's not the best but he's capable and a gamer. I just don't see that with this offense

Wolfman

November 19th, 2017 at 12:03 AM ^

No one is begging you to stay on this site. Actually its for Michigan fans. Be reminded we do have the youngest team in the FBS and if you aren't aware, the qb was getting his 4th start. Had some good moments, don't you think. I'm not making excuses for the man, but I'm not overlooking the fact he has a ton of nice, young talent on the team as well. If you think they'll defy all odds and get worse with each season than Hell man, I just don't know what to tell you. 

The Longhorn QB is not that mobile either, neither of the first two, both very good, young qbs. I have no idea why No. 1 should be great. We had more mediocre players wear the jersey than all-time greats. He too is young, but this does not figure into your thinking. Look up Yost, if you know who he is and read what he had to say about fans who are fans only in good times. Then wake the fuck up and either be a fan or take your whining ass to another site. 

ryebreadboy

November 19th, 2017 at 12:14 AM ^

This is dumb. Act like an adult. The guy expresses reservations, and suddenly he's "not a fan"? Jesus, if you're not a sunshine blower you're apparently not allowed to watch Michigan football. This is a site for intelligent discourse regarding Michigan football; it's not for exclusively positive hot takes. Maybe you're the one who needs to try a different site?

BoCanHam15

November 19th, 2017 at 1:20 AM ^

You said that Texas’s QB is a gamer? I️ watched that fool. Come back next year with your hot take. He threw a game ending interception to a receiver in TRIPLE coverage with his Mommy watching three weekends ago. Lol! No thanks. We’re nowhere near the tire-fire in Tex-ass. People will just spue out anything. Peters is doing as well as he possibly can with a make shift line. Sad excuse for a troll! Texas’s freshman QB sucks ass!!!

BoCanHam15

November 19th, 2017 at 1:14 AM ^

Who would be when you had a touchdown called incomplete as well as last years last game stolen away! You’re an asshat. If you don’t like it that’s fine. But everyone has an opine just like an ass. Let’s face it you and your over generalizations have NO other answer. You’re just saying,”yeah but Harbaugh.” Last question for the naysayers to shut this shit down for the very last time! WHO WOULD YOU BRING IN! If you had any power,(lol) what would be your BIG coaching epiphany. I’ll wait forever! I️ hope you understand the question. Who?

NateVolk

November 19th, 2017 at 12:07 AM ^

Nobody wants to deal in facts. They want to stamp their feet and make generalizations and make sure everyone knows how "unacceptable" this all is. I kind of like Brian's approach to the onslaught of whining and "he's no better than Hoke at the same point" posts. (after literally every loss)

That being: if you aren't astute enough in general knowledge regarding the people involved and visually to recognize we're in a far better place and heading in a far better direction than the Hoke era, there isn't a lot to say to you.