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12/31/2018 - 5:05pm There will be changes…

There will be changes because there have been every season. Harbaugh is neither dumb, nor near as stubborn as many like to characterize him to be.

He has no compunction about not sharing any of those thoughts and plans with the media or the fans. 

We need to deal with that and stop begging for him to mirror our opinions when talking to the media.  

He's by far the best person we could get. And outside of a handful of "never going to happen" candidates, he is the best man for the job. And he's proven that on the field frankly. 

12/30/2018 - 9:10pm This Beilien revisionism on…

This Beilien revisionism on here is harder to choke down than the Harbaugh must win next year or else whining.

This board was loaded with people who wanted to cut bait on Beilien less than 2 years ago. The team caught a head wind and now he has things humming. 

But "we knew something big was building" is what many on here are now claiming. Hogwash. There wasn't one person on here claiming any such thing this time 2 years ago

Actually Beilien and his track record is a GREAT reason to keep Harbaugh for as long as he'll agree to stay. He looked dead in the water in that year 3 or 4 timeframe. (much much worse than Jim's teams have looked in his first 4 years.)

Then he dipped again for a couple years after the loss to Kentucky in 2014. And people on here mostly wanted to run him off.

Good thing no one with access to power listens to folks on fan message boards. 

12/29/2018 - 7:33pm He reshuffled a lot of…

He reshuffled a lot of things after last season and the team overachieved from what most experts figured they could do. 

The clear indication I got during his post game interview on Michigan radio was to expect the same this off season. He also said he wants guys who play for the greatness of Michigan and not the greatness of themselves.  Which I found interesting.

There is no denying  that a retooling needs to take place in many areas to get better results in bigger games. I say give him the benefit of the doubt. He made a lot of aggressive moves in the off season and sounds like he will again.

12/29/2018 - 2:29pm You stole my line word for…

You stole my line word for word.

12/25/2018 - 3:13pm Attacked us like I thought…

Attacked us like I thought teams should have all year. Stay at the quick short pass and stay after our weak links in single coverage. They had the players to make it work to devastating effect. Coupled with no meaningful pass rush.

And like you alluded to in the prior diary, they left points on the field (even excluding the merciful final possession). 

I have nothing to add.

Guess I take pleasure in writing about it again and again. Like sharing in the misery on some level. As if that kind of lessens my shock at the defense' play.

Thank you for doing this. Learned a lot. 

12/18/2018 - 6:16pm The false premises of the …

The false premises of the "unacceptable"/sky is falling crowd are numerous. And in starting from those premises, actual quality discussion on the program is rendered impossible.

It goes like this: facts brought up which evidence obvious improvement and a positive direction, enter a blatantly negative response based on one of the false premises below. 

After a while, people who are capable of recognizing obvious positive results AND understanding there are mountains to climb, become frustrated and denounce the board as having gone to the troll trash heap. 


In no exact order of rank of regularity, the false premises:


--People who are positive about where this program is at versus where it was 5 years ago are ill informed

--People who are positive about where this program is at versus where it was 5 years ago are satisfied being "mediocre"

--That Michigan is currently a mediocre program which has hit a ceiling of (insert record)

--That fans who approve of where the program is at this point are letting Harbaugh off the hook by not demanding more

--Since Harbaugh apparently can only attain quality wins by beating a playoff team, any wins (no matter how dominant) against teams which are less than that do not evidence improvement

--Our expectations as fans are paramount. And when they are not met, nuanced discussion of reality is the act of an apologist



12/18/2018 - 10:31am  


Probably get an…



Probably get an 11th win in about 10 days.  That will be something only about 6 teams or so will accomplish this season.

I'll take the present course minus the hyperbolic fans who lack long-term perspective.

12/09/2018 - 6:50pm That's BS on Gray. You're…

That's BS on Gray. You're just piling on being the typical "everything sucks"  fan on here.

Hill might have been playing us for a better deal. Or he might have exercised his right as a young person to choose the best path for his future. And to so choose late in the game. 

Michigan helped discover Gray for other big programs but he was no Hill in terms of cache.

People strangely act like the next player who changes his mind is part of some dark trend reflecting on the program rather than what it is: something that always happens in every class to basically every program. Often multiple times per class. 



12/03/2018 - 10:20am If it's only Rashan not…

If it's only Rashan not playing, that might be the most important development or factor of any going into this game.

12/02/2018 - 5:36pm It's more Michigan football…

It's more Michigan football. Always a plus. I think that is what every fan feels.


This opponent in this bowl interests me on the excitement level of a home non-conference tomato can game in September.


10-2 with what was one of the hardest schedules in preseason deserves better than this. I know you have to win the OSU game or the ND game. But at the same time let's not act like we're 8-4 with no quality wins like last year.


Players should be in a warm weather site and the fans should be watching the most marquee match up available. 


I don't think either request is close to be met here. And those aren't unreasonable requests.

11/30/2018 - 5:31pm Interesting. First time I've…

Interesting. First time I've read any of those complaints.

11/30/2018 - 12:56pm I'll buy the idea the game…

I'll buy the idea the game wasn't positive. Not buying the idea the class hinged on a pronouncement about program status that was blown up last week.

These relationships were strong way before Michigan had a leg to stand on with being a a top 5 program. Back when it was 8-5, Harbaugh on the hot seat ruled the chatter, and the future was uncertain.

The loss Saturday might require more work than they'd hoped to have put in with a recruit or two. Then again, it might not have made a difference.

11/29/2018 - 4:30pm Probably happens at many…

Probably happens at many schools to land difference making recruits. Which when landed, take major food off a rival school's plate. And give a team an important advantage head to head against a rival on the field. 

I have serious doubts it happens at Michigan. 

The whistle blower risk would be unmanageable. 

Michigan has institutional factors which are premier and helps it draw interest over most other schools.  Same can be said for many of the traditional blue bloods. 



11/26/2018 - 5:53pm Come on. We're already…

Come on. We're already Stanford basically. Since Andrew Luck left the building, Shaw has 4 10- win seasons out of 7. Jim already has 3 in 4 seasons. 

We'll probably beat ND next year. (Wasn't like it was a blow out this year on their field breaking in a new QB.)

And than playing the "Northwestern is competing for the Big Ten title" card.....  Really?

The OP's point is if we want more than to be Stanford, we have take on the sport from a recruiting standpoint like the teams who are elite already do.

Those schools you mention further the OP's point rather than debunk it.

Personally I am fine with being Stanford with the occasional bigger year if that's the best we can do. Michigan should be different. Should be about lots of big important things. And it should do right by the kids it brings in to play football.

Football being just one of those important things that makes a university. 

A sustainable winning program is being built. Heights yet to be determined. But the OP makes some points which are hard to refute. 

11/25/2018 - 8:23am Seemed like dang near…

Seemed like dang near everyone on here last year was convinced 1. Harbaugh lost his fire. 2. Our soft fan base.was giving him a free pass for mediocrity thereby contributing to his loss of fire.

So should I congratulate all the whiners after yesterday's game for the 10-2 record, the coaching staff overhaul, and the improvement? Or blame Harbaugh and the fans for being too accepting of losing to OSU? Or Both?

Need to get this right and get off on the right foot. Because without the immense pressure of the "unacceptable" crowd on message boards, it's clear we have a Coach with no direction or ambition for the program.



11/24/2018 - 8:56pm We had a very good season…

We had a very good season. Dominated three established programs coming off 10 win seasons. Very deserving of going to the Rose Bowl if that happens. 

These players accomplished a lot this year. Want them to get the best possible experienvce in the postseason. For them.

I wouldn't want them to play for many of the downright spoiled and whiny fans seen on here tonight. 

Fuckers don't deserve to claim the efforts of these players or the fruits of those efforts after a win.

11/24/2018 - 8:25pm We've seen improvement on…

We've seen improvement on the line of scrimmage over time. This year notably with the OL. There is a lot of upside still to be tapped in this program.

You did a good job of keying in on the issue. One thing you can see on TV plainly is which team is getting more quick disruptive pressure on pass plays. 

It was clear to my novice eye their defensive line was doing a way better job in that area.

It's worth adding that  back in August, 10-2 looked very good with this schedule. The song and dance about how bad these teams we housed now apparently are, is just fans whining to whine. We dominated some established programs. The fact is those games were evidence of real progress from last year and over 4 seasons. 

Today sucked but it wasn't evidence of some massive divide that can't be made up. That's being a drama queen, not a rationale observer. 


11/24/2018 - 4:09pm Zoinks Scoob.....

Zoinks Scoob.....

11/20/2018 - 3:50pm The difference in how the…

The difference in how the MSM in this State has and is tackling news surrounding sexual assaults at MSU's big two sports v. what we know it would be doing to Beilein and especially Harbaugh.....

It's almost comical how different it would be.

Not to mention the investigations would be taking place with either of them as former coaches. 

11/20/2018 - 11:24am USC needs a tactical whiz. …

USC needs a tactical whiz.  Place recruits itself. 



11/18/2018 - 11:13am Quarterback play and health…

Quarterback play and health of your main quarterback is everything these days.  Didn't have either last year. Michigan might be fortunate enough to have 2 quality guys (one currently hurt though). Most programs don't for a variety of reasons and realities of modern college football.

11/17/2018 - 8:20pm 10-1 with all those hard…

10-1 with all those hard road games. 

And Edwards will probably be OK.

Not a lot of reason to be down about this team. Unless you are a typical Michigan fan and always searching.

Rather than enjoying.

11/10/2018 - 3:29pm The reality is what it is…

The reality is what it is. Dantonio: a slightly better than .500 coach since defeating Iowa to go to the CFP 3 years ago.  

11/06/2018 - 2:19pm Happy to have a familiar,…

Happy to have a familiar, partisan voice. He's good enough because he tells me what is happening. People are too picky.


Keep on keeping on Jim and Dan. 

11/01/2018 - 5:48pm Sad to say, but I find…

Sad to say, but I find myself increasingly surprised when powerful people get the obvious punishment they deserve. The vogue use of the "deny obvious facts and ignore obvious problems" strategy has me thinking that dodge and jive act will work in just about any fact pattern. 

Good to see Maryland couldn't ignore, deny, and bluff it's way out of doing the right thing.



10/27/2018 - 5:57pm If the potential didn't…

If the potential didn't exist to play Purdue for the league championship, I'd call BS on this thread being more MSU obsession.  

But it's borderline.

Leave them in the rear view mirror where they belong. 


10/20/2018 - 7:22pm Helmet looks great on him.

Helmet looks great on him.

10/15/2018 - 3:21pm Harbaugh nailed it when he…

Harbaugh nailed it when he took over and met the media in December 2014. They are a great program. The coach clearly deserves the majority of the credit.

I don't think there is a more matter of fact coach going than Harbaugh. So when Jim says the team will be very intense Saturday, that is a positive signal. Because we at least are even up in talent and probably better. 

I think we overanalyze it at this point because of the freakish events of last year and the hard to define oddness of 2015. But hey are a very good program.

My first thought after Wisconsin was now a split in the next two will still allow Michigan to probably play for hardware in Columbus. It was about business for the larger picture of the season. When you've won basically twice as much as you've lost against a team, that's how I take it. My first reaction without thinking of much else.

That's not how many Michigan fans take it anymore. I think you have to give a lot of credit to MSU and Dantonio for creating that emotion to the whole thing. Making it matter to Michigan fans. They've earned the fact that this is a rivalry.  

09/17/2018 - 2:31pm If the tickets are totally…

If the tickets are totally free, it's not a night game, it's a great opponent, and the weather looks comfortable, I'll go. 

TV breaks have all but destroyed the experience at the game.

09/15/2018 - 8:50pm This fan base is lost in a…

This fan base is lost in a paralysis of baseless negativity. 

Draw all the conclusions you want based on basically nothing. Because today was that.

And it was a blow out.

Which tends to tell us even less.

This was a comfortable win at home against an also ran. 

Prediction: Michigan will win every game where it wins the most match ups each play and makes the least mistakes over the whole game. We'll know at the end of each game whether those things happened. 

There is enough talent here to win any game on the schedule. 

Well have to see how it goes each week. 

09/03/2018 - 4:47pm For better for worse (I say…

For better for worse (I say absolutely better), the media wouldn't let Michigan do that without full throttle coverage and constant nagging questions aimed directly at whichever coach was in charge. We see neither of those things happening in very troubling situations at other schools. 

Could argue all day about the why? the differing standard exists, but it does.

Harbaugh is conscious of that difference like he was at Stanford. With the Europe trips, the flexibility for players to choose their desired major,  and the way he's set up the academic support, he's tried to build off what he might perceive as an edge. Or he simply sees compromising a high ethical standard as totally non-negotiable. 

It's a big part of why he deserves the longest of ropes here beyond the stellar track record of success at other stops.

I'll now cede the floor to whiny responses about having to win and having dubious program ethics is fine if you win. 

08/30/2018 - 3:28pm Didn't know the NCAA was…

Didn't know the NCAA was doing anything with either Nassar or rape/cover up . Thought it was pretty clear after Penn State that problems like this are considered outside of their investigatory and regulatory purview. When they imposed sanctions there, the NCAA admitted there was no rules violation when they imposed the punishment. Publicly and explicitly stated.  If memory serves me correct. 

Which says it all on a lot of levels about the meaning if this news. 

08/01/2018 - 11:39pm Logged in to upvote this…

Logged in to upvote this. Anybody who equivocates what Trump is doing with media blaming with any other President or even prominent politician of our era, is a phony and intellectually dishonest.

The worse thing we could all do is defend it or look the other way. 

Wetzel's comparison is spot on here. 

Important even in a sports discussion we honor the truth and he draws a larger reason why it's vital. 

07/24/2018 - 4:34pm Coaching a major sport at…

Coaching a major sport at MSU clearly comes with perks as far as how easy it is to avoid media scrutiny and accountability. 

Harbaugh wouldn't be able to walk 5 feet in public before news outlets would be in his face asking questions about revelations similar to MSU's back in February. And simply issuing a general denial while not dealing with questions would work for a few days tops before he'd be out the door.

Has ANY reporter asked ANY follow ups to Dantonio about the specifics in the ESPN report in 6 months? If they have, I'd love to see a video of that exchange. He issues a blanket denial full of defiance then slithers back under cover refusing to man up.

And yeah their fans are equally pathetic for letting it all go on without the program's leader actually leading and taking questions. 

It's a sad place all around. 

The deal with this player is small potatoes for them. 

07/24/2018 - 2:19pm You're right.


You're right.


I feel like less of a fan for relying on facts to the contrary prior to this. 

Now we can all come together and get that Harbaugh to coach harder and better.

05/10/2018 - 10:23am If this was Marinelli like

If this was Marinelli like year 3, you could take the people diving in defending Patricia on here and cut them in half at least. 

That's hard core sports fans.

A high high percentage of them should avoid times when social issues and sports are combined. And do it at all costs.

1997 was still the dark ages of sexual assault prosecutions if you were a victim. This happened in a very conservative and pro-male cultural state in Texas. In a tourist area where authorities would have further  incentive to look the other way. Yet the guy was indicted by a grand jury and for months the case progressed. Until the victim got cold feet about testifying. Again very common in 1997 given the social climate of the country. 

And if he was "anxious to prove his innocence" why did he apparently take no steps to do so by going after the girl who apparently falsely accused an innocent man. 

What he says on this deal is crap and meaningless. If he says anything but "it never happened" he risks his entire career. That's a pretty big incentive to gamble on a lie and hope the water doesn't pop open the dam.

The other really large issue here is wait until the grand jury and court file leaks. Or a friend of a friend of the victim comes forward and starts talking. Or the victim herself. It could happen at any moment.

And if you think the Lions are on top of all that, get real. They couldn't even bother to do a 30 second internet search to vet the guy in the first place. 

They are starting with the conclusion that they must defend the hire and the football czar who made the hire. Do you really honestly think that starting point is going to lead to a thorough deep investigation of this by the organization. 

04/16/2018 - 1:28pm If we are of the belief the

If we are of the belief the offense will return to at least 2015-16 levels, Michigan wins every game on the schedule but 2. "If" the turnovers are even or close to even in the other games.

So every game but the opener and the last one. It will take more than playing good enough and clean in those two games. 

That if is a big if in football though. Especially college football. 

I have a lot of respect for the ability of the coach at MSU in any game. Same with Wisconsin and Penn State. 

But Michigan will be more talented than all three teams with experience behind them after last year. 

***Got to have a serviceable quarterback who can hit open guys at least though.

04/09/2018 - 11:19pm Civil lawsuits on all this

Civil lawsuits on all this basically opens the spigot of information. It's pretty much limitless what a Plaintiff's lawyer can get through pre-trial discovery requests. Including depositions of the likes of Izzo. Or in the case of football: Dantonio. 

All out there in the public to be scrutinized. 

You see it in many cases where the criminal justice system is inadequate: civil lawsuits act as the next best thing for a victim. 

The most famous example being the OJ case.




04/09/2018 - 4:15pm MSU ptb and their fans have

MSU ptb and their fans have no interest in anything that upsets their own mythology about their 2 major sports. 

They'd like to appear to be doing the right thing but it's not a must. But they definitely want to maintain the above mythology.

If you start from that conclusion, all the moves we keep reading about make perfect sense.

Count me as someone who can't talk sports with MSU fans right now. Even if it's to rub it in about basketball. I am in disbelief when I talk to them that they can tolerate any of what is going on at a school they claim to rabidly support. I wouldn't be able to stomach the retention of any coach at Michigan who operated programs like their Big 2 did. 

04/08/2018 - 12:02pm He only has to connect with

He only has to connect with his audience to get the result needed. There are many many factors that go into this. People who don't coach a sport wouldn't understand this. 

The obvious come back is they didn't have a good year.

But coaching a sport  effectively has so little to do with creating Hoosier's pre game speech moments, it might as well not even be considered as even a scant part of the formula.

I don't think any of what is shown on the series says anything of value about Harbaugh's effectiveness as a football coach. 

04/05/2018 - 1:36pm People just want to whine.

People just want to whine. They don't want to deal in facts. They don't want to listen to any of over a dozen national experts who foresaw Michigan's problems in 2017 before one game was even played. For many reasons totally out of Harbaugh's control. They want to bring up shallow gripes about salary and this rival owning Harbaugh etc.

These threads are probably numbered in the hundreds since the Michigan State loss and there hasn't been one point of substance that gets into the global issues that put Michigan at 8-5 last year. Not one.

Out of all the whiners.

All those threads and zero actually added. 

The only people who are making those substantive points again and again are the people who are accused again and again by the whiners of being "apologists" or something like that. 

You'd think these people would dig in and research things like roster status, roster management, recruiting, practice time and it's effect on back up quarterbacks. The why? 

Not the whine. 

"He should have taken another tackle in his first full class." Valid criticism.

"Offensive Line can't block anybody." Besides being misleading, adds nothing to the issues of why it has struggled.

People are free to post what they want. But in the end they are just being babies when they post the same junk again and again.




04/05/2018 - 1:18pm Yes. Worth every penny. 

Yes. Worth every penny. 

Next question.

04/02/2018 - 2:18pm That's the part I never got

That's the part I never got in how the school has handled this. They took the natural fire wall toady fans build around cult hero coaches like MD and Izzo and tossed gasoline all over it.

When you challenge OTL, you challenge a well regarded news team, the well regarded reporter in charge of the piece, and their legal counsel That counsel goes line by line of every story and clears each line before it ever sees the air.

If you are the University, you had better have a strong case that you are the victim of some conspiracy of "fake news" before you head down that path in any way. Because you invite more aggressive reporting in response. Worse is you probably don't have enough facts to know where the next bomb will go off.

If you think about it, we've seen that time and again from MSU during this affair. They don't have enough information because they haven't done their homework. They don't know where the land mines are hidden. But they still charge in with chest out issuing blanket denials and launching baseless counterattacks.

It might make their fans feel good, but it's a very dangerous legal and public relations strategy. 

03/30/2018 - 6:17pm The G League will be a great

The G League will be a great alternative not so much because of the money. But because college, right or wrong has lost it's mojo as a meaningful prepatory experience for NBA basketball. 

I think people who are arguing the opposite underestimate how much the NBA has put behind this in terms resources. And also way overrate the quality of play in college. I dislike the NBA as a viewing experience, but there is no doubt the players are on another planet skills wise. It's a way bigger gap than any of the other major sports

The NBA is doing it not as a money making venture, but because they are tired of the product colleges are sending them. If top players know they'll improve their games for the pros on par with going to college, they'll almost always skip college. 

03/20/2018 - 5:45pm Whomever can land a superstar

Whomever can land a superstar who is top 5 to 7 in the league at worst is your GM hire. That's the only path to a title in today's NBA. 

Yes the 04 Pistons are an example of a team. But also an example of a team which won before the defense rules changed outlawing hands to the body while playing perimeter defense. The game opened up for the elite stars after that change. If that rule had been in place at that time, that Pistons' team was the equivalent of the current Celtics or Raptors.

A bunch of well coached B level players who would have fallen short. 

03/19/2018 - 5:03am With traffic and people

With traffic and people having to work, expect a scattered crowd in the building for a good chunk of this game. Maybe that will help the team play looser.

03/17/2018 - 9:57am Stanford was as bad as it

Stanford was as bad as it gets back then and USC was months removed from those unbelievable Bush, Leinart teams.  A football factory without peer nationally. 

40 plus point underdogs.

03/15/2018 - 11:48am When our main argument

When our main argument against talking about any topic of interest with ramifications beyond sports, is that this is a holiday because of some sporting event, we should be checking under the hood. And maybe look at balancing out our hobbies and interests. 

03/15/2018 - 5:49am Jumped the shark. Big time.

Jumped the shark. Big time. Clearly a dufus in his personal life too. 

03/14/2018 - 9:27pm College basketball has never

College basketball has never been in more trouble. This FBI investigation is proof. The tournamant is a masking agent for reality. But positive change might be just around corner.

The blue bloods and many big name programs are obviously engaged in systematic, well-orchestrated cheating to get the NBA ready guys to pick their school for a year. It's an arms race only a few schools can participate in.

There are hundreds of other schools like Michigan who won't or can't. 

So when one and done is gone and the NBA has a competing developmental league, the market for these players is likely to dry up among college programs. Basically the only players choosing college will be those who actually want what college is supposed to be offering.

Moreso than the promise of getting more ready for the pros.

Then the colleges will be competing against each other in recruiting on a whole different set of criteria. It should bring more parity and better recruiting if you have an elite academic school.

The last hurrah of the phonies like Izzo, Coach K., Pitino and Roy Williams might be at hand.