BeatIt

January 10th, 2022 at 5:38 AM ^

Bingo, 1 victory over your rival in 10 tries with a senior/veteran led team isn’t a signal said team is going to repeat that performance on the road the following year. Don’t forget NIL doesn’t just affect recruiting elite players it also affects attracting elite coaches. Case in point, Kelly leaving ND for LSU.was all about being able to recruit @ a championship level.

Midukman

January 10th, 2022 at 6:24 AM ^

Maybe, but we return the core on an offense that could legitimately be far better than this years. The only thing holding us back from being scary offensively, was the ability to take the top off of a defense and the pieces are there to be able to do that next season. If OSU and their blue chips improve on D, which they should, than these rankings are pretty much spot on. 

AZBlue

January 9th, 2022 at 10:05 PM ^

I just saw Brett McMurphy has us all the way down at 20 in his way-to-early top 25 behind OSU, UW and PSU(!) in the B1G.  He does show us playing @MSU so that burns his credibility a bit...

caup

January 9th, 2022 at 10:15 PM ^

7 defensive starters off to the NFL. The defensive staff is going to earn their salaries again in 2022.

The offense will be amazing.  Not good, GREAT at every position group. 

Break the modern-day Michigan program record for scoring in a season.

Ghost of Fritz…

January 9th, 2022 at 10:35 PM ^

Yeah, it is true that Michigan is losing a lot on D.

But...at a top program there are only two guys that would be hard to replace--Hutchinson and O-Ja-Bo!

The rest are mostly very good players that are just 'reload' situations at the very top programs--quality player, with younger quality players ready to step in without significant drop-off.  [Dax is really, really good.  But I don't think he altered quality opponents' game plans the way Hutchinson+Ojabo did].

Is Michigan in 'reload' mode?  We'll find out in '22.  My guess is...not yet.  So the difference-makers will have to be on the offensive side.  And I can see that happening.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

January 9th, 2022 at 11:14 PM ^

Hill > Moore. 
Ross = Colson
Hawkins < Moten+Dent. 
Gray = Green/Johnson.  
AH >> Anyone   
DO > Harrell   
Hinton = Jenkins/Benny   
The other 4 starters should be better, but how does Macdonald replace the chaos and big plays from AH?  I think the defense will take a step back in 2022 unless the DTs and DEs take a big step forward. The D could be elite in 2023 with nearly everyone back and well schooled in Mac’s schemes.

 

trueblueintexas

January 9th, 2022 at 11:54 PM ^

On the defensive side, a school like Michigan can’t replace Hutch and Ojabo. That said, if you look at the three levels, there is optimism.

The D-line has a lot of pieces to work with. Morris, Upshaw, Jenkins, Smith, Welschof, Harrell all played significant snaps. Those are legit players. There is potentially good depth as well with Benny and McGreggor. All of them, except maybe Welschof, are at points in their careers where they could take a big step forward. Good coaching will get that group to be a very good unit, even if they don’t have the superstar talent.

Ross made at least one huge play/game because of his experience and instincts. That will be sorely missed. He also was limited athletically. Colston will continue to get better and could blow up. Hill-Green played pretty well flashing some of that same big play capability Ross had and has more athletic upside. Depth is a little concerning here, but the recruiting rankings are a positive for the next gen.

Dax Hill was awesome and can’t be individually replaced. Hawkins was a nice safety blanket but he also had physical limitations. Rod Moore earned his starting spot and he will keep getting better. Moten played a lot of snaps and Makari Page earned first guy in for garbage time reps. Again, individual play may not stand out as much, but collectively, it could be a more athletic group which has good experience. 
DJ Turner earned his starting spot. Gemon Green has a lot of experience. I think the Turner, Green, McBurrows trio of CB’s has higher potential than the Turner, Green, Gray trio from this year. More athletic and more experienced. 
 

Notice, that is a complete defense with depth, athleticism, and experience without a single Freshman or completely unproven player other than McBurrows. Maybe some younger less played guys step up, but that will be a luxury not a necessity. 

GoBlue C4

January 10th, 2022 at 8:29 AM ^

I still really like Michigan's defense up the middle, which is where it all starts. Smith, Jeter, Colson, NHG, Moore, Moten. With some good athletic depth behind those guys like Jenkins, Morris, Barrett, and Paige.

Look for a guy like Will Johnson to come in and potentially make an impact at nickel as well. He played safety his Sr. Year, and can play anywhere in the secondary. I think Colson will be an impact guy as well, and a guy they can move all over the place for blitzes.

Ghost of Fritz…

January 10th, 2022 at 12:54 AM ^

No.  Hard to replace.  Really good player.  But...the drop-off will be a lot less than for the Hutchinson replacement, I would guess. 

And...at Alabama, yeah they replace a guy like Dax without noticing.  Michigan is not at that level.  To be fair, maybe 3 schools can reload at all defensive positions without really noticing.  

That said, I think Michigan will have a pretty good D in '22, at least my mid-October, assuming staff stay in place, etc....

HailHail47

January 9th, 2022 at 10:53 PM ^

The offense will need to improve for this to be a top 5 team. Probably by a good margin. The defense will take a step or two back, barring any major surprises. The offense has never been the far and away better side of the ball under Harbaugh. This year the offense was very good, but it was paired with a defense as good if not better. I wonder if this will force Harbaugh to become more aggressive on offense with JJ. 

alum96

January 9th, 2022 at 10:52 PM ^

People still don't get it.  Unless it's from Northwestern Stanford Virginia North Carolina and a few others non Ivys UM admission staff will say your 40 credits are worth 8 here so fuck off.  Stop dreaming of transfer portals - that's for EVERY other P5 not our elite institution.   1 in 30 asks by the staff will get through admissions.  The other 29 will get paid to go elsewhere.

OuldSod

January 10th, 2022 at 12:13 AM ^

Graduate students aren't transfers. Its wrong to use the term graduate transfer. They need to use the portal but they are graduate students with remaining eligibility. They only need admission to a graduate program, not to transfer credits. Baldwin and Jones had graduated from Jackson State and Coastal.

Lets say someone wants to transfer after their sophomore year. They may have 70 credits with summer school. UM will accept 30-40 credits and tell them:

  • If we admit you, you will have to attend an extra year to make the 30+ credits up.
  • You have to retake these 15 credits in your intended major you already passed. 
  • You have to retake freshman english/writing as a Junior even though you have already taken and passed higher level classes with writing requirements and already passed freshman writing at your prior institution.

Even if accepted, most athletes will opt for a school that isn't this burdensome. Baldwin is an example of this. He transferred from Morgan State to Jackson State after his sophomore year. He had to sit a year do to the present transfer rule not yet existing ... but he graduated from Jackson State after 2 years. Had he tried to transfer to Michigan from Morgan he likely would have been admitted as a sophomore in credits at best, not a junior, requiring a 5th year for his degree. He'd receive zero scholarship for that year unless redshirting his 3rd of 4th year of eligibility and the football team isn't going to redshirt Jr transfers. Players will transfer someplace they can finish their degree under scholarship, not someplace they can't. 

trueblueintexas

January 10th, 2022 at 12:38 AM ^

Most players are not transferring to get a degree. They want playing time and a path to the NFL. That is the dream. While some may actually care about the degree issue, enough NIL and a proven track record of getting guys drafted/signed as rookie free agents will solve that problem.

I’m not being cynical, I simply read every single front page post over the last week each time a player left the program where they “thanked God, the coaches, the fans and are leaving to pursue their dream”.

OuldSod

January 10th, 2022 at 12:58 AM ^

I think you undervalue the degree in general whereas most Michigan fans overvalue the Michigan degree.

Most players know their best chance of making the NFL is to play their full four years of NCAA eligibility, or as much as they can. If they blow up early, great. If not they will get a degree along the way. Given a choice between getting a degree and not getting a degree over that time, most will gladly choose the degree even if it's not their top priority.  

Most players also know that maybe 1/4 of the roster tops sniffs being drafted or an UDFA, and want their degrees. 

Most players that leave to chase that NFL dream do so with a degree. Baldwin and Gray have degrees. 

On playing time, I agree with you. But given equal playing time between two schools, they will choose the one that gives them the degree and accepts their prior coursework and doesn't say "you have to retake these classes you already passed." Assuming they get admitted. Most that transfer for playing time know their NFL aspirations are aspirational, and they transfer to play while getting a degree because they know their careers have only a couple years left. They want to play while they can.

Ghost of Fritz…

January 9th, 2022 at 11:16 PM ^

I get that it is not easy to turn an oil tanker....

But the reality is that the transfer portal is a huge change, and will become a bigger deal for quality players with the NIL stuff evolving. 

If Michigan is limited to mostly grad transfers...then forget ever getting back to beating OSU 50%+ of the time...   The credit transfer practices were not disabling in an era of very few transfers.  But in an era of unlimited transfers...it will be fatal.

Athletic admissions has been a different (far easier) standard/track for athletes since...forever.  

No reason that credit transfer rules can't have a similar 'athletics...or other significant contribution to the University' dual-track set of standards.

Ghost of Fritz…

January 10th, 2022 at 12:09 AM ^

Won't work that way going forward.  It has already started with Caleb Williams. 

Guys that blow up before junior year are going to be open to moving in the transfer portal and increasing NIL $$$.

Obviously, they won't all be as good as Williams.  But going forward teams that are serious about winning are going bolster weaker position groups with transfer guys that blow up in lesser programs earlier in their careers.