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This Week's Obsession: Ten-Game Report Card Comment Count

Seth January 11th, 2021 at 9:23 AM

The question:

MICHIGAN BASKETBALL 2021 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS HOW ARE WE FEELING

Brian: wellllll, Gonzaga and Baylor are kind of looming.

Seth: They can loom on the other side of the bracket.

Ace: I admit maybe that wasn’t the best way to word that prompt just before the Wisconsin game but they’re rolling.

Seth: I'm trying to reel it back because Michigan hasn't faced Wisconsin or Iowa yet.

Brian: Yes, immediately before the first true stretch five test is a bad time to be making definitive proclamations.

Alex: Well, Ace, I'm excited about our inevitable Rona Final Four.

Ace: MICHIGAN BASKETBALL LEGIT 2021 BIG TEN TITLE CONTENDERS

Brian: That I'm buying, clearly. Michigan/Illinois/Iowa/Wisconsin is going to be a free-for-all, Michigan has a game in the loss column on everyone else, and they have single plays against Illinois and Iowa.

Alex: Michigan may have the most compelling blend of coaching, talent, and kenpom shit in the league. Top 20 on both ends of the floor. Best freshman in the league by a mile. A deep bag of sets and strategies to outfox the competition.

Ace: I do believe this team has national championship upside but part of that is the nature of single-elimination tournaments. The chance to win an outright Big Ten regular season title this year is… almost more impressive, from a purely non-fluke standpoint?

Alex: The lack of depth is a little worrisome in that regard [national title contention] especially with the whole rampaging virus thing but Dickinson's foul avoidance helps allay those concerns.

Seth: The list of guys who are down relative to preseason expectations is...zero? I guess Zeb Jackson but nobody was saying he'd be ready first half of this season.

[After the JUMP: forget about your worries]

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Dayeinu! [Campredon]

Alex: The core rotation has panned out nicely, especially after adjusting on the fly after losing out on Todd and Christopher.

Ace: Depends on what you were expecting out of Brandon Johns but that’s also tied to Dickinson’s emergence and Austin Davis’s injury.

Alex: Speaking of which, I'm not sure that this team is better with Christopher - although his ballhog tendencies might have been mitigated in such an unselfish offense.

Brian: Yeah it's hard to tell what he would look like in a college offense.

Alex: The way this team shares and moves the ball is impressive.

Ace: It worked out well all around, I’d say.

Seth: Did it? How's his brand?

Ace: Shut up, Seth. The NBA does not care, he’s getting to show off his whole skillset. He’s in the same program as his brother.

Seth: Just one shot. Michigan could use his creation but that's been mitigated by Dickinson.

Alex: Probably was gonna be a late first here or there.

Ace: Michigan has Chaundee Brown. Let’s move on!

Alex: Michigan's good at manufacturing shots within the offense, which helps.

Ace: Wagner is also increasingly a creator. He’s got the #20 assist rate in the conference.

Seth: The concern going into the season was Michigan lacked a guy who could put a defense perpetually behind the 8-ball except perhaps Franz. And the reason I thought that is Michigan hasn't had a post offense since the players and I were the same age.

Ace: The maturity of Dickinson’s game is really remarkable. He already shows a strong understanding of when to turn away from double teams, when to attack, and when to pass out.

Alex: His proverbial feel for the game is off the charts. Especially for a freshman. No stupid fouls. Not a black hole in the post (at all).

Brian: Part of my previous dumping on post-ups is that I did not think anything like this was remotely possible.

dickinson_what

I still do not think it is possible even as I watch it.

one point three five PPP

Ace: Not including putbacks! Just… bonkers.

Alex: He's like Luka Garza but tall.

-- Fred Jackson

Seth: His game also seems to be evolving at freshman rate. He added elbow jumpers and high hedges recently.

Brian: Iowa is 91st percentile at post+passes efficiency. They are 0.27 PPP(!) worse than Michigan. There is a 27-point efficiency gap between Gonzaga/Iowa, the co-#1 offenses in the country, and #274 North Carolina Central.

Seth: I forgot to add re-posts.

Alex: Iowa seems to go about it a little differently. I think we were all worried that we might have a more rudimentary offense with Howard relative to Beilein, but Michigan finds creative ways to get Dickinson the ball and stress the defense.

Ace: The horns to hi-lo stuff Howard is having them do is so dang difficult to guard.

They have so many options out of those sets and can use just about anyone as the second “big man” popping to the perimeter. They had Eli Brooks in that spot a couple games ago!

Alex: Spain pick-and-roll with Franz popping and Dickinson carving out space down low is really damn hard to guard.

Howard gets players touches with great opportunities for them to score within their skills. You see some classic college basketball continuity sets sometimes, you see some more NBA-style quick hitters, you see wrinkles off of common sets for easy buckets.

Ace: But the RCMB tells me his assistants do all the coaching and he just recruits.

Brian: (Spain PNR:

Alex: I do think that you see the influence of the assistant coaches with some of the old Beilein stuff, zones out of timeouts, and so on.

Ace: Oh, sure, I just find the people who think Howard isn’t an excellent schematic coach funny.

That’s the nicest word I can use for it.

Alex: Tropes on the RCMB? Surely you jest.

Brian: Not so much with the "let's do all my favorite stuff from my 19 year career as an NBA post" items.

I mean obviously the RCMB troglodytes are going to get it wrong but the thing that jumps off the screen to me when I watch most other Big Ten teams play is the number of garbage possessions they get saddled with.

Seth: I see the assistants doing work in the guard play. That or Mike Smith stepped onto the Crisler hardwood and immediately inherited Michigan Point Guard Dawg Powers.

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Dog eat hair world. [Campredon]

Brian: Iowa is pretty much the lone exception, even Wisconsin and Illinois are frequently resorting to Star Guard Guy, Please Help Us.

Ace: Michigan is 287th in short shot-clock possessions (<4 seconds), according to Synergy. That’s hard to pull off as a Big Ten team.

Alex: So few bad possessions or bad shots. A lot of that has to do with Dickinson's gravity.

Ace: Nebraska is the only other team in the conference in the ballpark and we know which one it is for them.

Gonzaga, meanwhile, has the second-fewest nationally. They might be good!

Brian: Dickinson's gravity, four shooters surrounding him, the diversity of sets to set up post position that only increase Dickinson's gravity, etc.

Ace:

Alex: Exactly. Plus there's Dickinson's intelligence when it comes to moving the ball and scrambling the defense if he touches it and isn't in position to score.

Ace: Every Northwestern defender in that GIF has at least a foot in the paint or is on the near side. One pump-fake moves a guy three feet the wrong way. That guy allows a three.

Seth: There have been a lot of good long twos as a secondary outlet when the first fails. I think Michigan avoids late clock because the worst result of an offensive action is Livers putting up a 15-footer.

Brian: And Michigan isn't the kind of team that has its defense prop up its offense with a lot of open-court turnovers. Nor do they push the ball in transition that much--194th in shots in the first ten seconds of the clock. So they don't shoot it a ton early, they don't shoot it a ton late, they metronomically execute a complicated half-court offense to generate a ton of great looks.

Juwan Howard is good at this.

Ace: They’re great at early-clock action.

Seth: I want to go back to a football thing about coaching college players, which is you have so little time with them that the greatest coaches are the ones who can get a relatively complex thing into everyone's heads quickly.

Ace: This is so simple and also evil.

Wagner’s defender isn’t even looking at him when the screen is set.

Alex: The best offenses thrive in read-and-react situations - sure, you can scheme up some buckets here and there, but you need the ability to freelance. So few college teams are this good at sharing the ball and creating great looks when the play breaks down.  So often, it's "hey, best player, go do something."

Ace: They have at least three quality options there, too. Let Wagner cook, dump it to Dickinson, or get the ball to Livers if he’s got a guy he can shoot over.

Alex: Smith also can provide a little juice, either on the ball or off the catch. His developing chemistry with Dickinson is a welcome sight.

Ace: I was worried he’d just be a drive-to-pass guy in the Big Ten but he’s shown enough finishing to keep defenses honest.

Seth: Smith's been too hesitant to shoot, which does this thing to my brain that watched Simpson for four years where I'm like "okay pass it wait no big hair shoot aw dammit that's fine too."

Ace: I don’t agree with that take.

Alex: The little guy has some courage and verve. Yeah, I don't either. I think he's been a willing outside shooter, but he's really cut out the "bad calories" from his shot diet.

Seth: This is admittedly nitpick—there are like two per game.

Brian: He takes a couple of stepbacks per game, but as we saw with that assist to Dickinson against Minnesota those aren't just shots to shoot. He's only taking 13.5% of Michigan's shots when he's on the floor, his usage is larger because of assists.

Ace: Yeah, I’m having a hard time coming up with examples of this team taking bad shots across the board. Even the fadeaway midrangers are shots I like.

Brian: When literally no one is shooting <50% on twos and 4-5 guys are 62%+ (depending on whether you include Davis, who doesn't have any usage against B10 teams) there's not much to dislike.

Ace: Some sloppy turnovers and that’s… that’s it, really. Michigan is last in the conference in non-steal turnover rate. Bad news: ugly. Good news: fixable.

Alex: The whole team's shooting a combined 62% on twos. It's about as good as it gets at this level.

Ace: They’re still exploring new stuff, too. The transfer point guard and freshman center are still getting used to this level.

Brian: I mean yeah, the turnovers on both ends are the only major issue. I think we'll see some improvement here but some of Smith's issues are baked in because of his size.

Seth: A lot of those turnovers are things that are easy to correct. Like throwing it out of bounds because you expected a guy to be there, and Smith exploring what he can do when not against Ivy Leaguers. That all goes away naturally.

Ace: Yeah, they’re not gonna cut them down to Beilein-era levels, but I think they’ll be more reasonable. Michigan’s right in the middle of the Big Ten pack in getting the ball stolen. And it’s not like they’re committing shot clock violations. So those dead-ball turnovers really are of the travel/pass it out of bounds variety.

Alex: As far as not generating turnovers, Michigan doesn't run a pack line, but the underlying defensive philosophy of staying sound and funneling opponents into contested twos is there. Consequently, opponents are shooting <40% on twos in conference play and over the whole season. Shooting >60% on twos and holding opponents to <40% on twos is what I like to call Really Cool.

Ace: Part of the low turnover rate is definitely baked in. I do think they’re getting unlucky with Wagner, specifically, getting his hands on a gazillion passes without generating steals.

Michigan only had four steals in that game, none by Wagner, and I had him for three deflections in the first two minutes.

Alex: Likewise, Chaundee's steal rate of 0.6 really undersells things.

Seth: They started hunting picks a little bit more lately. I wonder if the coaches wanted to make sure they had their defense down cold before guys vamped.

Brian: Dickinson's steal rate is 0.4, which is probably the cosmic background steal radiation for anyone who plays a bunch. That's where it should stay. Those Teske/McGary pokes at the ball are far too risky when your C is the hub of your offense.

Ace: Dickinson should keep doing exactly what he’s doing, it’s perfect.

Alex: Yeah Dickinson plays conservatively on defense, and you love to see it. Every freshman big commits stupid fouls except for that guy.

Seth: Another underrated thing about this team that's absolutely incredible.

Ace: I don’t think this team needs to take many risks, their length and athleticism plus sticking with guys is going to generate a certain number of turnovers.

Alex: And Juwan favored drop coverage, even with Teske. Sometimes opponents will force a change there, but keeping the huge dude around the basket is generally a smart strategy.

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Most of the guys Hunter’s guarded thus far aren’t able to get around the “is 7’1” thing. [Campredon]

Seth: We haven't seen Dickinson go against one of the Big B1G Bigs yet, unless you count Minnesota's Liam Robbins.

Ace: The schedule has been a concern. They’ve done as well as one could hope with it but it’s lacked the top tier.

That changes Tuesday, obviously.

Brian: Micah Potter last year: 25 minutes, 36% usage, 18 points on 12 shot equivalents.  3/6 from 3.

Ace: This matchup would’ve terrified me before Dickinson started showing enough defensive mobility to hedge and recover. Those bigs need space to pull. Now it merely frightens me greatly.

Seth: I'm mentally prepared to get a rude awakening from having to chase Potter to the perimeter, not to mention the upcoming paint battles with Cockburn and Garza. The hedging was so unscouted that it surprised Minnesota. He's not going to be Jon Teske overnight. Unless he is.

Ace: It’s not as much about the results as that he’s physically capable. You have to project at some point. I agree they’ll run into a bad game or three; it’s also remarkable they’ve won even their stinkers so far. He’s already much better than Teske.

Brian: Also Teske's the guy who got roasted in this matchup last year?

Seth: I want it on the record I meant that as a hedger. And yeah, five-out was Michigan's kryptonite last year.

Ace: MICHIGAN BIG TEN CHAMPIONS YES OR NO MEET ME IN THE OCTAGON YOU COWARDS

I’m getting my “yes” on the record first.

Seth: Yes, but the refs stole it from Rutgers.

Ace: The schedule helps but I also think this is the best team in the league.

Brian: I might say they're the most likely to win, but I wouldn't put that shot >50%. So no, I guess.

Ace: COWARD

Totally fair take.

Sorry.

Seth: My take is mostly about Michigan having the easier path and starting from a better spot. All these teams can eat each other alive.

Brian: Beating Wisconsin might flip that to >50%.

Ace: COMMIT YOU COWARD

sorry sorry

Brian: The worst part is that I can hear your Fuegobox Hot Take(tm) voice in my head.

Ace: ba ba ba ba ba basketball.

Comments

outsidethebox

January 11th, 2021 at 9:53 AM ^

The flexibility of this team, this roster, even with both Brooks and Smith on the floor is a testimonial to some damn good coaching being done. Having Livers, Brown and Wagner allows this team to play any style that is advantageous at any particular moment. Then, having Brooks, Smith and Dickinson to bookend whomever is on the floor has to leave the opposition scratching their eyes out. And now we have Johns emerging, Williams providing serviceable relief and Austin, hopefully back soon...and a bench cheering their hearts out...it's a good place to be.

I am most curious about how the coaching staff strategizes against Iowa/Garza. I think, in man, you seriously consider defending Garza with Wagner. 

nerv

January 11th, 2021 at 10:08 AM ^

So I just wanted to add a couple of my thoughts to some of these talking points. I don't think anyone on this roster is having a down year or has their stock down. The only two you could consider here would likely be Zeb & Johns.

Johns is just a bit unlucky, there is really no one to take minutes from to pass his way at this point. But outside of one game hes been impactful when on the court and has shown flashes of a multi-faceted game. If Johns were playing 20-25mpg I think he would really blossom. I hope he sticks it out here; it is a positive sign how invested in the team and the game he is even from the bench.

I don't think anyone expected much from Zeb this season. If he were seeing extended playing time it would likely have to be injury related. But what he has shown when on the court has been impressive. He is really fluid with the ball in his hands. He seems to glide across the floor and around defenders. I think his ceiling is higher than I did previously. Im really hopeful that hes ready to contribute next season.

The development of Smith since conference play started I also believe will be big going forward this season. A guy who could consistently beat guys off the bounce and get open looks for themselves or teammates is something this roster lacked. Franz is a good secondary creator but Smith is really stepping up. The first 10 minutes of the Minnesota game are a great example. The offense wasnt running at its usual crispness, Hunter wasn't getting good looks and post position, and the shots werent falling yet. Smith knew he needed to assert himself at that point in the game. He got some guys easy looks and made some baskets himself. Then the offense found itself and he dropped back his usage. As the season goes forward his ability to create when the offense is struggling is going to be key.

AC1997

January 11th, 2021 at 10:09 AM ^

I think this was a really good summary of the first half of the season and there's very little to debate with what was discussed.  Everyone in the top-6 players has met or exceeded expectations and in some cases by a significant margin (Dickinson, Smith).  Even Davis, for as much as he gets discussed around here and for how long he's been out, was fine on offense.  You'd like to see more consistency out of Johns, but he is who he is and maybe there's a glimmer of hope at the 5.  

The things that worry me going forward with the team knowing everything has been perfect so far....

  • We have yet to play a truly good team.  Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, and even OSU/IU loom going forward and as we play the better teams and get more scouting on us there's bound to be some hiccups along the way.
  • Amazingly, we have yet to experience a game where Dickinson gets in foul trouble.  Maybe that happens against the Wisconsin team of 24-year olds or against Garza/Cockburn/TJD.  When it does....what does our team look like if Johns or Davis have to play extended minutes?  
  • As Brian pointed out....the post offense is unlikely to be this good the rest of the way.  Somewhere I saw a scatter plot of post efficiency vs. attempts across the NCAA going back years and we are a massive outlier.  At some point scouting, defense, or luck is going to cause some regression - but hopefully the rest of the offense still works thanks to good sets, good passing, and good shooting.  
  • Health remains a risk with how short the rotation is.  We lost Davis so you can't call us lucky so far, but if Smith or Brooks were to go down in a way that forces Jackson to play more there's immediately a ceiling on our potential I think.  Obviously Dickinson too.  We saw last year what happens without Livers also....though having Brown helps mitigate issues at forward.  

Wolverheel

January 11th, 2021 at 10:43 AM ^

Seth had a good take with Smith occasionally being hesitant to shoot open looks, I’m not sure why Ace immediately started crapping on it. There’s almost certainly a ton of background dynamics playing out behind the scenes there. He just transferred from a school where he was putting up 150% of the shots for his team and maybe now doesn’t want to seem selfish or something, but there have been numerous open spot up looks where he hesitates and then passes and I’m thinking “you are too good not to take that shot.” Then the possession ends with a crazy Livers turnover drive or something. It’s nit picky, but I agree with Seth that he could definitely shoot a bit more. I mean, he’s shot 23 threes this year. About half as many as Brooks. That’s not to say there’s something inherently wrong with that, Brooks is a good shooter and Smith is creating many of those looks, just putting into perspective the actual number.

re-Josh Christopher: he was a *very* good passer at the 2 in high school and in AAU. I’d wager that his current stats are due far more to Bobby Hurley being one of the worst power conference coaches out there (seriously. Watch them on offense) than issues with Christopher. 

blueheron

January 11th, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^

"Then the possession ends with a crazy Livers turnover drive ..."

This (a few odd instances of Livers playing hero ball seemingly outside the overall flow of the offense) is the only thing that's currently bothering me. Otherwise, I think the team is playing up to its potential (which seems to me to be more Sweet Sixteen / Elite Eight than national championship).

bronxblue

January 11th, 2021 at 1:00 PM ^

Yeah, I don't get why Seth got flack for that; Smith isn't blowing a ton of open looks but a couple of times a game I sort of wish he'd take a shot or be a bit more aggressive offensively instead of seemingly moving the ball just for the sake of it.  Like, a Smith 3 or a drive with a recovering defender is as good a shot as a Livers or Franz shot 10 seconds later with the clock ticking down.  

I saw highlights from Christopher's game against USC and he looked really athletic but it was clear the offense had no real plan or model.  I don't watch a ton of Pac-12 games but I've seen Christopher twice now and both times he looks sort of lost.  I'm happy with the team UM has now and I do wonder if he'd have fit in as well, but he's got a lot of intriguing skill being wasted.

Tom Pickle

January 11th, 2021 at 11:39 AM ^

Torvik currently has Michigan with a 28% chance at winning an outright B1G title. If you input a Michigan win on Tuesday that goes up to a 38% chance at an outright title and 56% chance at a title share.

Michuganer

January 11th, 2021 at 11:43 AM ^

I'm so excited to watch this team play an elite team like Wisconsin tomorrow! My prediction is it'll either be a great basketball game or another Michigan blowout. There is no reason to think this team can't win the Big Ten and make a great run in the NCAA tournament.  My question for you all is who do you prefer at pg on this team,  Mike Smith and his threat of impact from outside or Simpson and his lockdown D and superb offensive facilitating? 

My Name is LEGIONS

January 11th, 2021 at 12:26 PM ^

Is this offense designed to run off the C, or is it doing so because Dickinson is playing so well ?  If the former, then we need another C, pronto, because he is likely staying only two years, and we need to keep this momentum going.

njvictor

January 11th, 2021 at 2:32 PM ^

Bringing in Efton Reid would definitely close out this 2021 class well, but he's definitely got be wondering what everyone else is about how long Dickinson stays at Michigan. We've only offered 2 centers in 2022, and while Jalen Duren would be a beast in this offense, he's the #2 player in the country and has a lot of suitors

1VaBlue1

January 11th, 2021 at 12:35 PM ^

A lot of good analysis in the comments section here!  Let me add my in depth basketball knowledge to the proceedings:

They good.

That is all.  Looking forward to a beatdown of Wisconsin - though I'll settle for a win of any variety!

Blue Vet

January 11th, 2021 at 12:36 PM ^

"But the RCMB tells me his assistants do all the coaching and he just recruits."

Though Ace was referring to RCMB's take on Howard, the msu connection reminds me of the Izzo apologist after their loss the other day. A gazillion articles on Izzo's solo genius suddenly become, in the Detroit News, "odd defensive decisions by Izzo and his staff."

Blue Vet

January 11th, 2021 at 12:45 PM ^

I'm enjoying being excited. Passing. Defense. Finishing. Coaching. Tenacity. So great.

I'm also fretting.

While the team has done what good ones do, beat the teams they're supposed to beat, they have tougher challenges ahead.

Pit2047

January 11th, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^

Don’t know why people continue to credit the assistant coaches for the out of timeout zones when that’s an Erik Spoelstra special. Miami plays zone a fair amount, the ECF against Boston turned last year because of a tweak to Miami’s zone defense that Boston couldn’t solve. 

AC1997

January 11th, 2021 at 1:03 PM ^

Frankly, who cares what role the assistants have at all?  Part of the job of the head coach is to hire good assistants and delegate to them to help the overall team.  Some coaches are better figure-heads and recruits while delegating the X/O stuff.  Some coaches love the X/O stuff and rely on young assistants to do the recruiting and game management stuff.  Who cares?  The sign of a great coach is maximizing your team's potential and that includes relying on your assistants!  

champswest

January 11th, 2021 at 1:22 PM ^

It almost seems unfair that we have a professional coaching staff. They are exceeding my expectations.

Re the “Hey star guy, go do something” comment, that is one of the problems with MSU this year. For the past two seasons, when it was crunch time or late shot clock, they could give it to Cassius and let him create. He was very good at it. That is no longer an option for them and it shows.

TTT

January 11th, 2021 at 1:49 PM ^

Dickinson didn't just 'add elbow jumpers' he has been making those his entire life. He just hadn't been getting the ball there in the offense yet. 

MadMatt

January 11th, 2021 at 2:53 PM ^

These posts are much more fun than endless readings of the omens for the football team's future.  Please, more speculation on whether the Men's and Women's teams can collectively have the kind of season only UConn has.

JamieH

January 11th, 2021 at 3:42 PM ^

Through 10 games, I think Dickinson is having the best season for a Michigan post since Howard's junior year.  

Howard in 94:

20.8 Pts, 8.9 R, 2.4 A, 1.5 ST, 0.7 BL, 2.6 TO 55.7% FG% in 34 minutes

Dickinson:

18.0 Pts, 8.1 R, 1.0 A, 0.2 ST, 1.4 BL, 1.8 TO 73.0% FG% in 26.3 minutes.

Howard was 3rd team All-American that season.  The fact that Dickinson is approaching his numbers as a freshman is crazy.  

 

DeepBlueC

January 12th, 2021 at 6:49 AM ^

Would love to see Williams start to ramp things up over the 2nd half of the season. He probably has the most potential for improvement yet this season, and if he becomes a guy with double digit potential off the bench, this will be a very tough team to beat.

TIMMMAAY

January 12th, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^

I'm a superstitious man. I don't like what Ace lead with here. I can recall a lot of things said along those lines, only to have disaster strike shortly after. 

Joe Milton go brrrr... et al. 

Please stop jinxing us, thanks. 

swdodgimus

January 12th, 2021 at 2:52 PM ^

Ace, that's such a good point about people wrongly doubting Howard's ability as an X's and O's coach. I'll admit I had my doubts when he was hired, mostly due to his inexperience as a HC coming in. Plus, it seemed his role on the Miami coaching staff was a defensive specialist, but man, it seems like he absorbed everything the Heat are doing on offense and combining that with his staff here in AA.

I think it goes back to something Brian said when Howard was hired...he's always been a guy who respects the process. He stuck around longer in AA than he needed to as a player, presumably to develop more skills for the NBA. Instead of jumping to a HC job a la Penny Hardaway at Memphis, he started at the bottom of the coaching staff in Miami and worked himself up.

I think people, myself included, underestimated time he has spent learning and growing as a coach. Couldn't be happier to admit I was wrong.