Sione For Prez

May 17th, 2018 at 1:01 PM ^

Being fair to Frost, he did come out and say earlier this year that if he would have stayed at UCF he would have a hard time getting behind the "National Champions" bit since the winner of the CFP is the champion. Not sure why Saban had to open his mouth about the situation but obviously this was only a response to that.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/23410607/former-ucf-coa…

 

NittanyFan

May 17th, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^

I don't know why Saban didn't just take the "high road" when talking aobut UCF, but he was the one talking down about UCF in the USA Today article earlier this week.

So good for Frost for firing back.  The current system is better than it used to be, but it's still not a very inclusive way for determining a National Champion.

lhglrkwg

May 17th, 2018 at 1:06 PM ^

It's amusing to watch them try to say that it's ridiculous for UCF to claim this title, but in the same breath try to justify Bama claiming all the titles they claim.

WolverineHistorian

May 17th, 2018 at 1:10 PM ^

I see 'Scott Frost' and 'national title' in the same sentence and I still want to punch something. 

Since this guy is always so full of opinions, I'd love to know how he feels about illegal kicks in the end zone. 

copacetic

May 17th, 2018 at 1:13 PM ^

Frost is an expert in claiming dubious titles, but in this case he is definitely correct. 

Much ado about nothing though, a reporter asked him about Saban's comments and he responded. 

UofMfanINcolumbus

May 17th, 2018 at 1:18 PM ^

The only difference is Saban has 5 in the past 10 years and Frost has zero. He hasn't done anything while coaching a P5 team for him to run his mouth about.

UofMfanINcolumbus

May 17th, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^

True, but not a fair comparison. Scott Frost has an overall record of 19-7 as a head coach, while Nick Saban has a record 218-61-1. Saban has been a head coach for 22 years, Frost for 2. I just feel like Nebraska and Frost have been taking shots at everybody while they've done basically nothing. It was impressive to go undefeated at UCF, but if he wins more than 5 games this season at Nebraska I'll be impressed.

the Glove

May 17th, 2018 at 1:41 PM ^

I absolutely agree with them. A lot of the national championships Alabama claims aren't really recognized by anybody but Alabama. If Michigan followed suit they could claim a few more championships themselves.

Human Torpedo

May 17th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^

1941, everything else claimed since 1936 was an AP and/or Coaches' Poll national title (which by the way is our standard too for counting titles, which is why we only have one title since 1950). Not to defend Bama, but MSU is far worse in this regard than Bama

LSAClassOf2000

May 17th, 2018 at 2:01 PM ^

"But we have a system, and it's not fair to the people who went through the system and earned their way playing really, really good teams -- I mean really good teams -- and really tough games. It's not quite fair to them for somebody else just to decide to [claim a national championship]."

This is coming from the head coach of a school whose Sport Information Director back in the day laid claim to five pre-Bryant "titles" simply in an effort to beef up the appearance of Crimson Tide football. That's some respect for the system indeed, especially by claiming titles from a time where - let's face it - there wasn't really much of a system. 

ak47

May 17th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^

Pretty much no titles are legitimate prior to the modern era. Not sure Michigan wants to gloat too much in this discussion.

Vote_Crisler_1937

May 17th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^

This is a 39,000 seat field.

Your only concern is being too low to see the whole field. Sit 2/3rds or 3/4ths of the way up in sec 126-131 or sit in the first few rows of sec 226-231. Sitting too low there is obstructed view on the sideline from camera cranes and you can’t see across the field or at least one end zone. Sitting too high isn’t really a thing but you probably can do better than last few rows. Avoid the corners of the field as they don’t go up high enough to see much and forget the end zone.

Rabbit21

May 17th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^

Even in the modern era:

They have two titles when they not only didn't win their conference, but didn't even win their division and basically got in because voters were afraid to piss off the SEC commisioner.

He's a dick, but he's got a point.  

mgobaran

May 17th, 2018 at 2:34 PM ^

This is exactly why I'm glad UCF claimed a National Title this season. They were undefeated and Alabama/others has claimed the same for less! In the end, who gives a crap!

markusr2007

May 17th, 2018 at 2:58 PM ^

Sure, the things he says about what happened 20 plus years ago - the 1997 MNC and the recent UCF-Michigan "we outhit them!"stuff makes him sound like an epic douche. 

But the guy has personal pride. He is an ardent competitor. And at least he has balls.

Personally I want Nebraska back as college football power, and I think they will be soon enough. 

In recent years Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa have all enjoyed an easy go of it in the BIG10 - mainly because both Michigan and Nebraska programs have been MIA.  For crying out loud Iowa went unbeaten 12-0 a few years ago. That's dumb!

I want that to change and for the league to realize its promise, top to bottom and for the Saturday bludgeonings by the traditional powers to return.

For all of eff ups by the NU leadership in Lincoln since firing Solich, hiring Frost was a  good decision. Frost is competent.  Opponents are simply not going to be able waltz into Lincoln to fart around relying on shitty NU kicking games, incompetent offensive play calling and sieve run defense.  Those days are probably over.

Now, I hope Michigan trounces the Huskers by forty in Ann Arbor on September 22.

But I would have no issue - none at all - from then on out withnessing the Huskers kick the shit out of every other opponent on their schedule this fall, including MSU and at Ohio St., on their way to an 11-1 record next year.

In fact, Big Ten football desperately needs a ridiculous outcome exactly like that this fall.

Don't disappoint us Scott.

 

 

Sten Carlson

May 17th, 2018 at 3:24 PM ^

IMO, the problem with the CFP is that it’s gives the guise of inclusiveness, but, as last years exclusion of CFU and inclusion of Alabama exemplified, it’s still just a big money grab dominated by the major conferences. The conferences, with their bloated budgets and overpaid executives, have absolutely destroyed CFB all for ever greater profits. CCG’s are pointless, and not playing your entire conference annually is ludicrous. I used to think the old bowl/AP Voter system was bad, but this is worse. There is no criteria, no standard when the obvious standard — first and foremost, being a conference champion after having played every team within your conference — is right there but those in control won’t do it because that’s not the most lucrative path.

WNY in Savannah

May 17th, 2018 at 6:43 PM ^

I had to log in to agree with this.  The big money in college football has made them lose their minds.  Conference championship games are about money and nothing more.  The Big 12 actually did have everyone play everyone in conference but still decided they needed a conference championship. Meanwhile, we have giant conferences where Alabama has played Middle Tennessee State more times during Saban's tenure than they have played Georgia.  West Virginia is in the same conference as Texas Tech.  Morgantown, WV and Lubbock, TX.  Rutgers is in the same conference as Nebraska.  Piscataway, NJ and Lincoln, NE.  Insane.  And why?  Money.  This is supposed to be interscholastic athletics.  But it's not.  It's money.

Sigh...

NelzQ

May 17th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^

In a fair universe, Saban is due for an embarrassing ass-kicking. One can hope it is at the hands of Harbaugh. Additionally, Scott Frost is delusional. He has two 'fake' national championships.

BlueMk1690

May 17th, 2018 at 5:29 PM ^

Sure, Alabama claims some dubious NCs from back in the day as do many other traditional powers. But Alabama's most recent championship is pretty legit, in fact maybe the most legit one they ever claimed.

This UCF story is just getting absurd. People whined and whined about the old system so they got the BCS, then they whined about the BCS for 15 years and then they got the CFP and gee it's almost like there's a bunch of whiners out there who will never shut the eff up.

 

Sten Carlson

May 17th, 2018 at 6:42 PM ^

The source of the “whining” is the opinion element of the equation. The voter system was pure opinion, then the BCS took that opinion and matched 1 vs. 2. Now, we’ve STILL got nothing but an opinion. Why can’t we have something without opinion, an objective measure that doesn’t require a committee or some popularity contest based on money? For example, a playoff of ONLY conference champions? If that were the case neither the 2017 Alabama NC not the last OSU NC would not have been possible because neither was a conference champion, and UCf would have been in the playoff. Simple solution.

BlueMk1690

May 17th, 2018 at 7:53 PM ^

The idea that the MAC and Sun Belt champions are more deserving of the playoff than the 2nd or 3rd best Big Ten or SEC team is an opinion in itself.

These aren't pro sports with a salary ceiling and salary cap playing schedules predetermined by maths. Opinion will always be part of college football, one way or the other.

 

Sten Carlson

May 17th, 2018 at 8:26 PM ^

Perhaps you’re right. However, once that opinion is decided upon, it’s 100% objective from there on out. Again, simple solution. No other sport that I can think of rewards teams (like Alabama and OSU) for NOT playing and NOT winning their division/conference. Every other sport, pro or college, has an objective measure for its championship. Level the playing field ... win and you’re in ... lose and you’re out — 1AA does it. People carp about a full CFB playoff format cheapening the regular season. Well, not if your ONLY chance of getting to the playoff is winning your conference and the ONLY way you do that is by playing every team in your conference. Again, simple and fair. Why shouldn’t the MAC Champion (or any other G5 champ) have a shot?

Scioto

May 19th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^

But first, Ohio State’s 2014 NC was also a Big Ten title year. That year OSU made it in over TCU and Baylor, because the Committee told us OSU had that “13th data point” and the Big 12 didn’t have a championship game. In 2015, the Big Ten should have gotten two teams in and OSU probably would have repeated, but the Committee told us no “13th data point” and OSU’s SOS was lacking. 2016 was the no Big Ten East/championship, but Committee says beating Oklahoma liked really good (Penn State should have gone). Last year was mainly the same except Bama passed the “eye test” and we learn schedule actually doesn’t matter as long as you blow out teams on your weak schedule, even if you get blown out once, if it’s only once. Should be a 8 team playoff with conf champions of P5. Let the Committee pick the 3 at large, but no guaranteed slot for G5, and do the seeding.

The Fan in Fargo

May 17th, 2018 at 6:16 PM ^

I like Frost, he has balls. Hope Jim knocks his ass out though. Saban in the article, fucking yup. Yeah Clemson, Georgia and Bama play such tough teams. They play eachother, and all the same teams. That's it. For the most part if you get what I'm saying. That's exactly why these chicken shits around the country wont expand the playoff because the SEC will get exposed. Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State and Ohio State should just start doing home and homes with those candy asses. Schedule Bama, Georgia, Tennessee and Clemson(ACC). End their little so called dominion over college football. I'd pay big money to see Georgia or Bama in the Big House and get bitch slapped. Those would be the games of all games in my lifetime.