Gwen Bush/ Recruiting staff house cleaning info?

Submitted by JFW on

I normally hate these kind of open question posts, so I apologize in advance, and am prepared to get some negs. But I'm very curious and I think its relevant to the state of the Football program.

In the Roundtable last Thursday Sam stated that the recruiting staff underwent a 'House cleaning'; with Gwen Bush gone, and Chris Partridge promoted. While I'm totally on board with giving Partridge as much influence as possible in recruiting, I'm not sure that the staff that helped us get two top 10 classes needed to be purged. 

And what happened with Momma Gwen? I looked at her Linked in page and she is still listed as a UM staffer. I did some google fu over the weekened and didn't see anything on staff upsets or Gwen Bush leaving. I think she was a big factor in some recruitiments. 

The lack of clarity and the talk of 'toxic atmospheres' (Bleacher Report) combined with Sam's 'House cleaning' is starting to get very worrisome to me. 

Does anyone have any more info? 

 

lilpenny1316

February 12th, 2018 at 10:54 AM ^

This is a geniune question.  It seems like the running game took off against subpar competition and came crashing back to earth in the big games.  It might be an inaccurate impression, but it seems like we should've been able to salt away the OSU and S. Carolina games if our running game was strong.

switch26

February 12th, 2018 at 11:21 AM ^

I'm pretty sure we could have on one of those last pivotal drives higdon and Evans were driving us down the field then it was 2nd and short and okorn fucking tripped on himself and then playcalling took a major shit.. higdon had just ran for 15 yards in two plays.. Then all we need is a couple yards in two downs and we threw it both times..

Bodogblog

February 12th, 2018 at 11:36 AM ^

Do you mean games where we played good to great teams, with outstanding defenses? The answer is yes, because of course it is. Michigan was #14 in rushing S&P last year, which is opponent adjusted. It's also very good. When Michigan played OSU (#2 S&P rushing D), Sparty (#4), Wisconsin (#12), and PSU (#18), then yes they were not as good as they were against poor teams. Neither was Alabama or Auburn or anyone else. Again this should be obvious. When paired with an awful passing game, where those great defenses can load the box, it exacerbates the problem. The apology from Drevno probably applied here: I'm sorry for whatever it was in my coaching that prevented even simple twists and blitzes from getting home.

B1G Winning

February 12th, 2018 at 11:37 AM ^

Michigan was 50th in the nation in total rushing offense and padded its stats against very bad competition and struggled to get 50 yards on the ground against Wisconsin and 70 yards against USCjr. Take away the almost 400 yards against Minnesota and the Rushing O looks a bit different.

Bodogblog

February 12th, 2018 at 2:39 PM ^

You don't have to do these old guy Hold My Beer analyses anymore, the correct ones are done for you by S&P. They crunch the opponent-adjusted data, and the math doesn't cherry pick games to fit an argument. Michigan's running game was quite good last year, #14 in the country. Its passing game and pass protection were atrocious, so focus your negative energy there. I'm sorry you will not be able pile on, a la "the passing game was terrible I agree, but even the running game was bad because [old guy xxx logic], so DREVNO RALLY SUX EXCLAMATIONS"

Bodogblog

February 13th, 2018 at 7:45 PM ^

Karen Higdon and Chris Evans averaged 5 and 6 ypc against OSU, an excellent run defense. O'Korn had 8 carries for -35 yards. Which proves the point about pass blocking. See how the data does this for you? Trust me, no one is going to believe old guy yells at cloud math over S&P. You don't need to either.

maize-blue

February 12th, 2018 at 10:44 AM ^

Some say that Warde Manuel wouldn't let JH fire Drevno and/or Hamilton because the contract buyouts were too large. 

I'm not sure I believe that particular rumor as JH was supposedly given full autonomy in regards to the football program.

MGlobules

February 12th, 2018 at 11:03 AM ^

wants a little work, or I agree with the guy above me--comes across as no more than rumor-mongering. And given the pressure to win, I too would be very skeptical. 

Given that we're not in the day-to-day mix, we're all about the results. But Harbaugh may have his reasons for sticking with a coach even when the results, over the short-term, are not ideal. Generally speaking, he's always going to be in possession of a hell of a lot more of the variables than we are. 

LDNfan

February 12th, 2018 at 1:58 PM ^

"....but Drevno gets to stay" 

Its never that simple when it comes to building a staff at any organization. Not everyone is going to be great at their jobs, not everyone is easily replaced BUT it sure seems that Harbaugh is shifting some responsiblity away from Drevno so maybe that's the deal..for now. 

Harbaugh has made it clear that he wasn't happy with the O's performance and I think you'd have to be out of your mind to think he'd risk this program and his reputation to keep Drevno or anyone else on the staff. 

Harbaugh has been building high performing staff's for a long time and he been around coaching all his life...why anyone doubts his commitment to winning is beyond me.

ReegsShannon

February 12th, 2018 at 10:04 AM ^

The insider info that is out there is basically:

- Harbaugh was tired of hiring recruiting support guys who were looking to leave ASAP for assistant coaching jobs. We had a lot of guys over the past couple years who were great at recruiting but wanted to move up in the coaching ranks and jumped at the first opportunity (Tony Tuioti for example). So Harbaugh wanted a more stable recruiting framework.

- Harbaugh hired Sean Magee and Matt Dudek and gave them free reign to build their staff, and they wanted to create a "NFL-like" recruiting/scouting department. As a part of these changes, Magee and Dudek decided to move on from Bush during last summer.

 

It seems like that was a clear and obvious mistake, IMO.

JFW

February 12th, 2018 at 10:07 AM ^

I think she was one of those thigns that was just good about CFB. If I had a son being recruited at that level I liked how she handled things and I'd feel better that she was there. 

I'm not saying its a bad thing, but I get worried sometimes when I hear about NFL principles being applied to CFB applications. They are two different worlds. I hope this works out. 

BassDude138

February 12th, 2018 at 10:15 AM ^

It sounds great, in theory, to run that department like an NFL scouting department. The only issue is that it doesn't seem like they took into account the fact that there is no draft for the rights to a player. You need to not only find and evaluate talent, but you need to be able to convince said talent to join your team. Hopefully the recruiting strategy is sorted out going forward.

maize-blue

February 12th, 2018 at 10:16 AM ^

Some speculation said the people who left were really good relationship people while the new people were more analytical.

(Edit: ReegsShannon's post above alludes to this as well)

Who knows why there were multiple accounts by recruits of UM stopping communication. 

Partidge was given the Recruiting Coordinator tag probably to oversee some of these recruiting procedures and to ensure that they don't fall off a cliff again.

A lot of things internally went screwy this season. 

JTrain

February 12th, 2018 at 10:16 AM ^

Not a huge fan of the way Harbaugh has gone about things. He seems desperate lately. It’s not a good look.
He really needs to hit a home run this year on the field. I don’t feel like he’s the wrong guy so much as he’s lost “his” way.
And what ever happened to mining for gold? Use that philosophy when doing your coaching searches. Go to the lower ranks and find the great young minds. Kind of like Oklahoma State? did with their OC. Us going after big name guys that up and leave every year is not good for the team. Drevno is obviously not getting it done. Get rid of him. Plug in a young gun that will innovate and stay.