Shuffling the OL

Submitted by Roy G. Biv on

After Saturday's debacle, how does the OL get better sooner rather than later?  Is it time yet to try Ruiz at G and kick Bredeson out to RT?  Tom Brady himself would struggle given the current state of pass protection.

H8anythingState2

October 9th, 2017 at 2:28 PM ^

Harbaugh better start recruiting the O-line with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind right now. And this o-line being handled by two different coaches thing is not working. I think he needs to bail on Drevno... especially at play calling. Time for Jim to step up and make some hard decisions. And invest a lot more time and resources into recruiting o-linemen.

George Pickett

October 9th, 2017 at 2:31 PM ^

I just don't understand how coaches create giant holes on rosters like this.  You have 85 scholarships. You only play 5 lineman. You can't find one competent right tackle?  Wtf.

Jasper

October 9th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^

I thought Brian explained it pretty well:

* Hoke. Ideally Kugler would have some 2013 5th-year senior classmates left. 2014 was a small class and JBB looks like one of Hoke's many misses.

* Newsome. Damn.

* Very abbreviated 2015 recruiting period. Ulizo. Probable miss.

* 2016: To date, the low point of Harbaugh's recruiting (not reeling in any OTs).

rindyn

October 9th, 2017 at 3:38 PM ^

Dude couldn't recruit the two most important positions in all of football. I too am upset we didn't find a capable body for the 16 class at tackle, but either way that guy would be a sophomore probably not playing his best football either. Got to get Runyan out there for the time being in my opinion. Luckily we recruited a lot of tackle type bodies who I am legit excited about all of them from the 17' class. I'd imagine probably 2 or so of them are starting next year. Basically it all comes back to Hoke being a crappy evaluator of talent. I always thought, dig yourself into a hole for 4 seasons, it's probably going to be 4 seasons to completely make your way to the top and start building up. Harbaugh did a great job with the vets he was given making it to the Orange Bowl and a couple Ohio refs away from being a big ten champion. Gotta remember it's all gonna be alright.

Swazi

October 9th, 2017 at 4:30 PM ^

And in that 2015 class Jim/Tim also reeled in Newsome from Penn State.

 

2016 is bad cause its nothing but guards (even though Bredeson was labeled a OT on the recruiting sites) but that calss had to fill A LOT of holes.  LB, DL, DB, TE, RB etc.

 

ANd look at how many of those kids are contributing now: Hudson, Hill, Long, Bush, Bredeson, Big Mike, Evans, McDoom, Metellus, Gary, etc.

 

The main problems with that class are not replacing Hamilton and losing Asiasi to home sickness.

 

2017 got four OTs and a center to address the OL.  So the future of the oL is pretty well set.

 

2018 he has 3 OL so far (IF Ekiyor sticks), and 2019 has a top 100 OT in it already with Rumler.

lhglrkwg

October 9th, 2017 at 9:45 PM ^

I (and everyone else) was suuuuure that was finally going to be the bedrock of Michigan O-lines being dominant again

4* Kyle Bosch flamed out, 4* Patrick Kugler took 4 years to become an ok center, 4* Chris Fox had to retire, 4* LTT did bad things, 3* Dan Samuelson transferred?, and 4* David Dawson never did anything.

An elite looking OL class which has given us precisely one guy starting in his 5th year. Where would we be if half of them pan out?

Alumnus93

October 9th, 2017 at 4:52 PM ^

I didn't...for I expected Harbaugh/Drevno history and gave it the benefit of doubt.... what was so annoying was in the past recruiring classes, every time there was a "Hello" post for an OL, each time I'd be disappointed to learn that the player was suited the interior, time and time again.  It just didn't seem right, and don't know how this one got by Jim.  Granted he lost Newsome, but still, theres nothing on the other side, nor any depth.  Ball dropped.

BlueinOK

October 9th, 2017 at 2:57 PM ^

The only player on the bench that should be inserted into the lineup is Runyan. He has looked good when he has played. Not sure what else you can do. It's not like the players are suddenly going to get better. 

NYC Fan

October 9th, 2017 at 3:05 PM ^

Next year is year 4.  Who is going to be here next year that is going to make this OL better than this year?  

Iowa State used a walk on quarterback to beat Oklahoma, yet 3 years with QB Guru Harbaugh and we have zero QBs.  

For what Harbaugh, Drevno, Hamilton and Frey get paid, there should be zero excuses on why they can't field an average offense.

Our young defensive backs seem to be playing just fine as well as that young Bush guy at MLB.  

Let's just take it for what it is, the recruiting misses on offense are apparent as well as an issue with coaching.

Pepto Bismol

October 9th, 2017 at 3:30 PM ^

Pep Hamilton was with Cleveland for one season - 2016.  His QB options were Cody Kessler, Josh McCown and Robert Griffin.  What he did with them has nothing to do with what a new OC is doing with a QB Hamilton didn't have on his roster.

But since you brought it up, Kizer is barely completing 50% with 3 TDs, 9 INTs and was just pulled and benched by the 0-5 Browns after he blew ass against the Jets.  Yeah, he's awesome.

4yearsofhoke

October 9th, 2017 at 3:42 PM ^

Josh McCown sure looks a lot better on the Jets.

It's not all about stats. Kizer looks a lot better than any Browns QB in awhile (I will agree it doesn't say much).. It might not be Pep's fault, but both O'Korn and Speight do not rely on fundamental football when they do 3-5 step drops. Neither one steps up into the pocket etc...  Speight throws off his back foot. O'Korn scrambles laterally, but not like Rodgers and makes it like 2-3 yards before he forces a throw. O'Korn never throws check downs etc...

It's pathetic QB play.

 

FWIW the Jets are 3-2.

mmp

October 9th, 2017 at 3:55 PM ^

Iowa State is 3-2. Which two of our wins do you trade for a win last Saturday. Also it is year 3 but really only year 2 of recruiting. That have missed on some recruits but that happens. Once the roster is better balanced those misses will not be as painful.

blahblahblahh

October 10th, 2017 at 12:02 AM ^

"Which two of our wins do you trade for a win last Saturday?" Any of them honestly. I would rather have the team sitting at 3-2 with a win against MSU than 4-1 with a loss against them. Also if you trade two losses to non-con teams we are undefeated in the B1G. Make one of the losses to Purdue and we have the same 1-1 conference record. I can't be the only one this sick of losing to rivals.

micheal honcho

October 9th, 2017 at 3:22 PM ^

We need to run power with this O-line. They can do that at an acceptable level IMHO.

Also, we have exactly 1 NFL caliber player on our offense. His name is Khalid Hill. FUCKING USE HIM!!

When the rain came our game plan should have consisted of pulling a guard, handing to Hill, and turning their LB's spines into a fine paste.

Alumnus93

October 9th, 2017 at 4:56 PM ^

Sorry but I disagree...  Isaac, Black, Cole, Ruiz, DPJ,  Gentry, all will play on Sundays.  And maybe Bredeson.  And I am holding out for Speight, too. He is just as good as Rudock and Rudock is playing. Oh, and Hill.

jsquigg

October 9th, 2017 at 3:28 PM ^

The line issues are being exaggerated.  For everyone complaining about why they didn't pass more, I thought they were relatively successful mashing in the I until they spread it out or tried to pass in a monsoon.  You can mitigate and develop through scheme or you can suck and make excuses.  This entire year on offense has been terrible.  I hope it gets better.  I doubt it will this year.

Coach Carr Camp

October 9th, 2017 at 3:30 PM ^

TBH, I'm not so worried for the rest of this year...it is what it is based on recruiting failures/coaching failures, etc. But how does it get better for NEXT year? Will Ruiz be any better than Keugler? Who is our left tackle if we can't count on Newsome returning? Can Ulizio improve to something acceptable?

PutInPeters18

October 9th, 2017 at 3:32 PM ^

So some possibilities on what they could do... Cole seems likely to stay at LT, especially given the lack of capable, yet alone good options at tackle in general. So I doubt he moves. Bredeson could be kicking out to RT, especially if he had been competing with Newsome for LT last year, it would likely suggest that he’s capable of sliding out to RT. The big issue here is that after having played guard for so long, the transition out to OT (where you have a much different type of pass protection, far more vertically based than maintaining integrity of the pocket) could be a bit ugly initially. Hopefully he can make it. Spenallis will probably get a shot to start if Bredeson kicks out, also would imagine Runyan Jr will have a chance, either replacing Onwenu entirely or at LG. Center could be a change to Ruiz but I don’t think Kugler has played that bad that they need to swap him out. Perhaps they could slide him to RG if Ruiz feels more comfortable at center, but who knows. RT is anyone’s guess. Bushel-Beatty, Runyan Jr, Ulizio, Filiaga, Stueber all could be options.

Bigly yuge

October 9th, 2017 at 3:51 PM ^

Our weakest spot is clearly at RT. I don’t see how we could fix the RT position unless we gameplan and use scheme to work around our main deficiency. Really hope next year Newsome is able to come back and some of the tackle recruits are the real deal.

Bluetotheday

October 9th, 2017 at 4:11 PM ^

Can’t pick up a blitz, will exacerbate the olines ineptness. Reality is harbaugh only has 2 full recurting cycles. He had less than 6 weeks to fill out his first class. Why I’m not worried, harbaugh is proven at every coaching stop as a winner, and thus, greatly enhances the respective program. Unfortunately , he doesn’t have a magic wound.

chrisu

October 9th, 2017 at 4:10 PM ^

Two things:

First, I am not an insider and I don't play one on TV, but IIRC, we have the OL split between two coaches. I don't have the slightest idea how that works, I can only say I hope it is not part of the problem, and I trust Jim to make sure it isn't a problem.

Second, Jemele Hill was suspended for two weeks, so there's a little schadenfreude for your Monday. 

That is all. Go Blue.

skegemogpoint

October 9th, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^

if Newsome is healthy in 2018 then I think our OLine will be better.  I had a lengthy talk with Grant in Dallas and I can tell you he believes he will be 100% ready for Spring ball (in fact, he thinks he's fairly close now).  Many of our concerns go away if he's fully recovered.  

Criticize all you want but Harbaugh has had to restock a completely depleted OLine. The failings have come in our ability to recruit top end Tackles who can step in and help immediately. The Hamilton flip and Becton surprise really cripled us.  But at least Jim is building depth with young talent like Ruiz, Filiaga, Stueber, Hudson, Hall, Spanellis and Honigford.

Wouldn't a grad transfer RT be nice?

GordonG

October 9th, 2017 at 7:09 PM ^

coming all the way back from that injury.  Don't be surprised if the news breaks one day that he takes a medical and leaves football, or if he stays will never play another down (just symbolic jesture to be on the team until graduation).  

Really if I'm wrong I will be extremely glad!!

Michigan4Life

October 9th, 2017 at 4:17 PM ^

because it screws up their stance and footwork especially if they're not trained to go from left to right. It's not easy for say, Bredeson to move from LG to RT because he has to get comfortable with the stance and footwork/techniques which is a complete opposite from the other side.

For example, you've been batting right handed for most of your career and all of the sudden, the coach asked you to start batting left handed. It's hard to master right away because your brain and body arent' used to it. It takes a lot of practices and reps to get it down.

I rather have OL to stick with one side.