PSU still doesn't get it and never will!

Submitted by Hard-Baughlls on

After their huge upset of OSU, James Franklin proclaimed that now the "healing process" at PSU can take place.  Sure, that makes sense.  

Win a big home game as an underdog and all the PTSD, life problems, physical and emotional scars of anal rape can finally now begin to heal because the valiant Nittany Lions won a football game.

Yes James Franklin, this win probably helped you save your job and may help PSU's football program not continue collapsing into complete irrelevance.  But really?  Is that what healing is?  

I would like to say that I am amazed by the complete lack of perspective and sensitivity coming out of "Happy Valley", but I'm not, as once again that sick cult culture fostered at State College exposes itself.

 

https://twitter.com/brett_hiltbrand/status/790045060356243456?ref_src=t…

 

Rabbit21

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:14 AM ^

It may be time to let some of this go. Penn St. Fans have an awful lot to grapple with and while they don't seem to be doing a great job of it, please name me one person out of the current players or coaching staff that were involved in the awful thing. Franklin just had a big victory, he's allowed to be proud of his team.



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jmblue

October 23rd, 2016 at 2:52 PM ^

The problem with this is that PSU just held a big ceremony honoring the man who enabled the pedophile.  They don't want to actually move on, it seems.  They want to have their cake (celebrating JoePa's victories) and eat it too (shoving the criminal deeds under the rug).

Mr Miggle

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:27 AM ^

He really looks like one more coach that can only think of his team and winning football games. A healing process should involve admitting mistakes, making amends and working to avoid repeating those mistakes. Winning games is nice, important for the coach, but the only healing process they relate to is PSU's battle with the NCAA. From their perspective, it's the NCAA that wronged them.

Rabbit21

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^

I get what you're saying and I want those involved fucked sideways with pinecones, I am also frustrated by the fanbases inability to come to grips with the past and make a more tangible "never again" commitment.  But at the same time this a group of coaches and players that had nothing to do with what happened, are playing for a fan base that wants a team to be proud of again and to them there is a healing aspect and, frankly, coming to.grips with the fact that this level of evil was enabled by something that was so central to their identity is going to be a long and imperfect process.    I find this insistence that everyone Don a hair shirt until the end of.time to be a little over the top.    

Mr Miggle

October 23rd, 2016 at 12:04 PM ^

If you're the coach at PSU, you need to choose your words carefully when referencing what they've gone through. It's part of that job in a way that it isn't part of others. That should have been obvious before he accepted it.

There's no reason he and his players can't celebrate victories. I don't think anyone is looking to begrudge them that. But there are areas in which he should tread very carefully. He seems incapable of doing so. One only has to look back at his dishonest whining about negative recruiting during the Big Ten media days. He's all too willing to play the victim.

 

Mgoscottie

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:30 AM ^

would call in rape victims and try and hire them to coerce them into not pressing charges.  He is absolutely scum and Penn State was completely aware of all of the rape issues he and his team had while he was at Vandy and still elected to hire him.  This situation should not be swept away because of the impact it has on a football team or football players that are free to avoid that awful place.

BlueMk1690

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:18 AM ^

that people forget Jerry Sandusky ever existed or buttraped kids in their football facilities while everyone looked the other way. In this version, the 'real victims' are PSU fans/alumni who as a consequence of the scandal have to endure the criticism and joking from other people and deal with their football program not being very good. The idea is that if PSU is rebuilt as a winning football program, they get back their bragging rights and thus their healing is complete.

But I don't know if this is something unique to Pennsylvania or PSU or rather just human nature at work. The psychology here is toxic, but think about what happened in Catholic churches across the country (and in plenty of other countries) and yet people aren't all going to abandon their religion. For a lot of those guys who went to PSU, they went there with football a big factor, they won't just forget about it and move past it. It's too big a deal for them.

evenyoubrutus

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:34 AM ^

You can't expect people to abandon their devotion to something because of the sins of one (or several) of its leaders. A Catholic's faith or beliefs are not defined by the actions of priests in the same way that a PSU fan's devotion to Penn state football should not be dependent on the actions of a certain few within the program. The reason they've handled it so poorly and so many have not been able to let go and admit that JoePa is a villain is because they have allowed the man to be bigger than the program for so long. To them JoePa is the religion, not Penn state football. They're basically like the DPRK. Their original "dear leader" Kim il-sung, who died over 20 years ago is still their president.

Njia

October 23rd, 2016 at 12:27 PM ^

The Catholic Church, most of it's leaders and followers, anyway, were very introspective after the scandal broke. Was there some damage control in play? Sure, but there was a great deal of sincerity in the heartbreak for the actual victims: those who suffered the abuse. Followers of the Catholic Church demanded answers of its leadership, and changes to be made to prevent the likelihood of future crimes; and, for the most part, we got them. Nothing is ever perfect; but there has nevertheless been progress in the right direction. Penn State's fan base seems to harbor more regret for the scandal coming to light than for the crimes. Most STILL can't imagine that JoePa knew anything at all about what was going on right under his nose. And, unless and until the school and its fans come to terms with that, my sentiment will be the same as it's been since the news about JoePa broke: Fuck Joe Paterno and Fuck Penn State.

Monocle Smile

October 23rd, 2016 at 2:53 PM ^

Continuing to spend lots and lots of money from the diocese to cover up decades of crimes doesn't exactly seem to be fixing the problem. This is a laughably rosy portrayal of the crimes of the Catholic church and the response. They had to have their faces beat in by the authorities and were dragged kicking and screaming the entire way, and there are still probably plenty of hidden raping priests out there.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:52 AM ^

Almost certainly human nature.  It's why I don't participate in the apparent contest to see who can express the most outrage at the most people.  People always judge other people and organizations first by how they themselves were treated.  We rush to see the good in those we know and the bad in those we don't.  It's not much different, IMO, how we might cuss out somebody who cut us off in traffic for being a brainless fucking imbecile with no regard for others, yet instantly forgive our own friends and relatives if they did the same thing.

I don't jump on the fuck-PSU outrage bandwagon, not because what happened wasn't outrageous, but because it could've happened anywhere.  I don't think there's anything uniquely perverted about Penn State fans, or for that matter Paterno, I just think human nature in general is what caused Paterno to do something other than immediately take a flamethrower to Sandusky upon hearing the accusations.  When you've worked side by side with someone for 40 years, it's easy to brush aside whispers and an accusation in favor of your daily personal interactions.  Similar concept for their fans.  There are cults of personality at dozens of schools, because that's what college football has done for everyone, and I suspect a similar thing would happen if Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, Bobby Bowden, John Wooden, or various other personalities had been accused of the same thing.

matdog05GOBLUE

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:19 AM ^

Wow you guys are so butthurt about this. Yes I feel awful what happened to the kids and that was horrible. He was speaking for football program process. As a metaphor example don't jump on me and nag it just idea what going on right now.....Do you guys still hate Germany? I am talking about what happened in the 1940's holocaust era. That was one of the most petrifying when people saw them. Now 70 years later people are process to heal ever since. I see many Germany pride out there but what they had done in the past could not change it so they have to move forward and learn from it. That what exactly going on PSU. Yes I may get neg about this. I just speaking the truth here.



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TheBigPrince

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:27 AM ^

I was going to argue with you, but it seems like you might not be there totally in the head. If you are able to, do some research on Germany after World War II. Germany apologized, agreed to prosecute the leaders of the holocaust, took sanctions, etc. That is why we have forgiven Germany. They don't try to uphold the Nazi legacy.



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matdog05GOBLUE

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^

I remember seeing some of staffs and higher levels of PSU apologized too. There are several of Germany still dental and support Nazi party nowadays I know if you talk about pro-nazi in Germany you will be arrested there. It's forbid to talk about it there. Just look Poland after WWII they still treat Jew bad once the war over. It was not a quick healing it took them a while.



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ak47

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:28 AM ^

Germans don't claim Hitler really didn't know what was going on and was just doing what every world leader would do and do best for his country and talk about healing as they succesfully conquer another country.  They acknowledged that nazis sucked, psu hasn't acknowledged joepa is a piece of shit human who put football above the welfare of kids.

BlueMk1690

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:31 AM ^

Several million Germans died in the war and its immediate aftermath, many were prosecuted thereafter for what happened. Germany was militarily occupied, divided and essentially deprived of its sovereignty for over 40 years. They denounced the old leadership, made supporting the old leadership a crime and struggled for decades with re-defining their identity and to this day are widely considered the villains of that time period and Germns mostly are ready to accept that fact.

Meanwhile PSU fans deny their leadership had anything to do with the crimes and are unwilling to accept even moderate consequences for their football program or university. They consider themselves the greatest victims because the rest of the world didn't just agree with them on that and they actually had to face a certain amount of embarrassment and negative consequences. "Some kids got raped? Big deal, we lost 6 games two years in a row!"

Consider that PSU didn't even crater or got hit with extreme penalties. They're above .500 since the scandal broke. Our last year with Hoke was worse than any of theirs since the scandal. Yet they're the victims who need our sympathy until they're finally back contending for NCs?

markusr2007

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:46 AM ^

The German government is still paying reparations to Israel. And funding the hunting down of geriatric Nazis across the world, and making denial of the holocaust a crime (thought crime) punishable by prison time. Still not enough. Germany has done more than Penn State has done to atone, and does not overtly or covertly celebrate the "glory days of Stahlhelm" as Penn State fans and administration have done, over and over.



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Blue in St Lou

October 23rd, 2016 at 6:52 PM ^

Many people in Germany took real steps to make amends -- on a national level paying reparations to Holocaust victims, on more local levels rebuilding synagogues for Jews who returned, sponsoring exhibits of art by Holocaust victims, forming German-Israeli friendship societies.  It doesn't take away from what happened of course, but that was true "healing."  

taistreetsmyhero

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:20 AM ^

It bothers so much that these fuckers have a victim complex like they were unfairly persecuted for defending monsters. Their school's entire tradition is built upon child rape, but they are the ones that have to "heal" after the monsters were exposed and the team started winning fewer games as a result. And, of course, winning is the only way to heal.

They'll never get it.

Love to see OSU lose, but this win couldn't have happened to a worse program.



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FreddieMercuryHayes

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:29 AM ^

This is why I can never root for PSU until they actually take responsibility and realize they CANNOT determine any healing process. Worst part of the OSU loss is that it came against PSU. Kind of mad that PSU got the win actually.



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1blueeye

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^

I wonder if the victims are penn st fans. Being serious here. Aside from the awful occurrences, they were kids who were brought very close to the program and I would think they were penn st fans to some degree. While Sandusky and joe pa can rot for what happened, maybe the victims want penn st football to be good.



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huntmich

October 23rd, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^

Most Penn state fans are not joepolagists. All of the ones I know (and i know many) recognize how fucked up what happened was. If you recognize their right to exist as a team then you gotta recognize their right to heal, and winning does help that.