Who wins the next championship between the Pistons, Tigers, Red Wings, and Lions?

Submitted by ThadMattasagoblin on

I have

1. Tigers: Good but not great team that can never seem to get over the hump. Questionable managing but has as much talent as anyone in the country.

2. Pistons: Have a great player in Andre Drummond locked up but need more talent at other positions. SVG is the best coach currently residing in Detroit.

3. Red Wings: Have an aging roster but are still good enough to make the playoffs every year. Larkin is a nice piece to build around but Holland can't seem to bring in any top players since the last championship.

4. Lions: Absolute mess of an organization. Making the playoffs seems like a tall order.

 

Lanknows

July 5th, 2016 at 1:42 PM ^

because of excellent resource allocation. 

  • They could get Rasheed Wallace because they had the roster flexibility to pull it off. Yes, they were lucky, but Dumars had them in a position that most teams were not in.
  • Ben Wallace was super cheap because he was signed to a multi-year deal and outplayed expectations
  • Billups and Hamilton were enormous bargains acquired after their stardom potential was gone.
  • Prince and Okur were on rookie contracts.
  • Campbell, James and Hunter were cheap veterans on bargain contracts.

Nearly everyone on the roster was a massive bargain. Williamson (and Wallace) were the only rotation players getting paid close to their market value.

The 2017 and 18 pistons don't have many bargains and could not pull off a Wallace-type trade.  The guys who COULD be bargains are Drummond (if he is a legit top 10 player), Johnson (while he is still on his rookie deal), and Harris (who could end up a Hamilton/Billups type bargain in the best case scenario.)  The current Pistons roster has about 5 Corllis Williamsons and not nearly enough Princes, Okurs, and Wallaces.

Brian Griese

July 4th, 2016 at 9:55 PM ^

Everyone will probably laugh at me, but I firmly believe this. Outside of Ngata, they should have youth starting at numerous positions, and you may not realize it but the Lions have a combined winning record over the last three years. If the Tigers don't win in it in the next two years, they have no chance. The red wings are in roster purgatory and the NBA is rigged for big markets and free agents have no interest in Detroit. Until the Pistons win the lottery, they have no chance. Give me the Lions.

tlo2485

July 4th, 2016 at 10:29 PM ^

Big Markets? The NBA has moved in the opposite direction. The big markets are a mess right now. NY/LA/Boston/Chicago/Philly have been a mess for awhile now. Players care less about playing in these cities right now than ever.

turtleboy

July 4th, 2016 at 10:16 PM ^

I think the Tigers are most likely, just because of the nature of baseball and playoff streaks. Looking at the last 10 years winners none of them seemed very likely.

EGD

July 4th, 2016 at 10:19 PM ^

Gotta be the Wings. As long as the playoff streak is alive, I think the team will resist any kind of major rebuild. But with Datsyuk's retirement, you have to imagine that streak is now in serious jeopardy. If the Wings go a year without making the playoffs, I think you'll see them retool and come back and couple seasons later with a promising young nucleus. They are kind of the Yankees of NHL so if they can get back to being competitive with young homegrown players, they will have the ability to supplement that with FAs and hopefully put championship contenders on the ice. It may take a while but I do think it will happen; wish I could say the same for the Lions.

teldar

July 4th, 2016 at 11:25 PM ^

He said in an interview this week (basically) the most important thing is keeping the streak alive and all decisions are made based on that goal. I believe they will be mediocre until M Illitch dies and terrible when Chris takes over. It has been said repeatedly all he cares about is money so he will never spend to win, just to put buts in seats.

xtramelanin

July 4th, 2016 at 10:33 PM ^

nothing but doom for those 4 franchises for at least a decade.  no sign of actual life in the lions.  wings on a downward spiral, as are the tigers - not terrible, but losing altitude.  and when we lose ilitch, then some real vision and mojo will go too.  pistons, meh, one great player (who shoots FT's as well as a 3rd grader, what an embarrassment), and a lot of meh after that.

so a decade of doom x4 at least. 

Perkis-Size Me

July 4th, 2016 at 10:34 PM ^

Red Wings. First class organization and more or less the Yankees of the NHL.

When Yzerman comes back in the next few years, they will win at least one Cup.

The Lions will be last. They're a fucking mess, and until the Fords sell the team, they're not going anywhere.



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The Barwis Effect

July 4th, 2016 at 10:40 PM ^

Should be the Lions because the NFL is less of a superstar's league than the other three sports, but it's the Lions. Unfortunately, I don't foresee any championships any time in the next decade.



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Michigan4Life

July 4th, 2016 at 10:40 PM ^

1. Lions - I know most of you don't have much faith in the Lions, but words around the NFL is they think they have one of the most talented roster in the league.  If the Lions can pick up where they left off from last season, playoff is the expectation.  Stafford played like a top 5 QB in the last 8 games and has weapons on offense in Ameer Abdullah, Theo Riddick, Golden Tate, Marvin Jones and Eric Ebron.  The defense is still loaded with playmakers like Ziggy Ansah, Darius Slay and DeAndre Levy.

2. Pistons - It's amazing at how quickly SVG has turned around in such a short amount of time. The roster has been overhauled.  The young core are all 26 or younger and made the playoff this season.  They're primed to make the next step.

3. Red Wings - They have made the playoff every year, but right now, they're stuck in puragatory where they're good enough to make the playoff but not quite good enough to make a deep run.

4. Tigers - The rosters are on the older side and the window has already closed IMO. It's time for them to try to rebuild on the fly. You can make an argument that you can switch both Wings and Tigers around and still be a good list.

UMfan21

July 4th, 2016 at 11:02 PM ^

Pistons.  Basketball is easier to have a quick turn around due to smaller rosters.  Yes, it will be hard to topple Cleveland, but fewer player pieces need to be assembled to make a great team.

Megatron

July 4th, 2016 at 11:22 PM ^

1. Pistons in the next couple of years will be top contenders and will win a Championship. 2. Lions I think hiring Bob Quinn was a pretty good hire as GM and I liked that he drafted for the trenches in this draft. Martha isn't as loyal like Ford SR. was since she did fire the OC, O-Line coach, President & GM etc. Playoffs or bust for Jim Caldwell he gets fired if he doesn't get into the playoff just my opinion. 3. Redwings need to get young I'm not sold on the roster and looking at it now I don't see the wings making the playoffs next year just my opinion. 4. Tigers I think it has passed the Tigers to win a championship plus I'm not sold on Brad never really liked the hire a couple of years ago.

stephenrjking

July 5th, 2016 at 1:18 AM ^

Wow is this ever a depressing question. Good thing hopes for Michigan are high. No team is particularly close. So I'll look at it this way: If a Detroit team wins while someone currently on the roster is a participant, I think the best chances of that occurring come from 1. The Tigers, 2. The Lions, 3. The Wings. The Tigers because there is still a very small chance that they somehow catch lightning in a bottle with the current roster in a head or two; a key outfield acquisition, the staff coming together (JV, Zim, Norris, Fulmer all excelling), it's a small chance but it's a chance. The Lions next because the NFL changes a lot from year to year and while Stafford is not elite, he could put things together for a year or two. All small chances. It is very probable that none of the teams will win with their current regime or nucleus. With that in mind I would think that the Wings have the best chance to win first long-term, because hockey allows more teams to be able to compete for a cup and because the franchise's relative stature and legacy organization is higher than that of the other three teams in their respective sports.

Jack Hammer

July 5th, 2016 at 2:47 AM ^

6 titles in the next 5 years. Tigers will catch fire and win this fall. (Ausmus will get a five year extension and reload.) Harbaugh will win in February. Lions will win in 18. Pistons and Wings are young and on the rise. UM hockey is due. The next 5 years will be exceptional.

ThirdVanGundy

July 5th, 2016 at 5:49 AM ^

For a long time. None of them are in a good position.

 

Tigers: Oppurtunity has closed. There's a chance they could get in and surprise people, but it's not likely. They aren't consistent enough.

 

Pistons: They have a good team but I think making Drummond the star player will ultimately be a massive mistake. He's a liability on free throws(End of game), his low post game is below average and his defense is wildly inconsistent. He's a poor man's Dwight Howard(The Magic version). The only thing he is really good at is rebounding. They have other solid pieces but the NBA is a league of three or four teams. The Pistons will never be that again unless they pull off some insane trades(04') or draft picks.

 

Red Wings: This is my pick. The only reason is because of the young players they have coming through the ranks and some guys that are already there. The next step is firing Ken Holland. He has become one of the worst GM's in hockey. He just added another mediocre offseason to his record book yet somehow he's still around.

 

Lions: F.t.s.

 

Seriously though, what the hell happened to Detroit sports teams.

Goggles Paisano

July 5th, 2016 at 6:21 AM ^

I would have to go with the Wings only because a hot goalie can carry a team to the Cup. But wouldn't it be a hoot if it were to be the Lions that pull it off?  

His Dudeness

July 5th, 2016 at 10:14 AM ^

Red Wings to answer your question.  think the Red Wings can ride a hot goalie into a championship within the next 5-10 years.

Tigers lost the window. Need to sell off stars and rebuild. ~10 year project

Pistons are just good enough to never get a number 1 overall pick. Still need to arise to the mediocrity of a second round defeat to the Cavs every year and then blow up and sell off and suck historical ass. Then build up with a superstar (hopefully)  ~10-15 year project

Lions. ~ infinite year project

Either way if you are a pro sports fan in Michigan say good bye to winning for the next decade most likely. Unfortunate.

 

lilpenny1316

July 5th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^

The Tigers have an aging roster and only two, maybe three years max to win a World Series with Cabrera and Verlander.

The Red Wings have a GM that is average at best in the salary cap era.  Their salary cap is tied up in bad long-term contracts.

The Pistons are screwed because Detroit/Auburn Hills is not a free agent destination.  BTW, they just gave a max contract to a guy who they're afraid to play in the last few minutes of the game.

The Lions are improved enough to where a couple breaks can get them into the playoffs.  From there, they just need to win four games for the title.  It's not easy, but I don't see their competition in the NFC as that superior, except for Seattle in Seattle.

bronxblue

July 5th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^

It'll probably be the Pistons, but it will take some time.  I assume that in 10 years one of the teams will break through.  But the Wings and Tigers are trending down, the Pistons are fine but need a lot of luck/player growth, and the Lions maybe could but need a ton of luck in the draft and get lucky with a couple of cheap players.  

detrocks

July 5th, 2016 at 4:07 PM ^

I don't think any of them are close and the Lions are probably the furthest away at the moment. However, the NFL is the league where you can turnaround and build a contender in the shortest amount of time. If Quinn can bring that NE magic to Detroit, they could turn into a contender sooner rather than later.

Overall thoughts:

1.  Lions- As noted above, they don't seem close but there are several recent examples of teams being terrible for extended periods of time and quickly jumping into contention: the 49ers pre-Harbaugh, the Seahawks pre-Caroll, the Saints pre-Payton, etc. You get the right front office and the right coach and you can contend pretty quickly. Not sure the Lions have either, but it could happen.

2. Wings- Historically good front office, some good prospects at GR, new arena coming up. However, they seem to be in neutral. Core players like Zetterberg and Kronwall are rapidly aging. They've had some young players come into the lineup but other than Larkin and maybe Mrazek, not sure anyone looks like a star. DeKeyser, Shehan, Nyquist, Smith don't seem to be developing much. Also, they can't get any game changing FAs to look at them.

3. Pistons- They have a good young core, but not I'm sure there's enough upside to get them into the top 4 into the East. I can see them becoming another version of the Chicago Bulls team from the last couple of years. Consistent, contending but never able to break though, never able to draft high enough and then everyone gets old, expensive and/or injured and all of a sudden your window closes.

4. Tigers- Probably the most talented team in Detroit right now, but they don't seem to have enough consistency to get it done this year. Most of their star players are on the wrong side of 30, the Cabrera and Verlander contracts are unlikely to age well and the farm system is bad. I could see them contending this year, maybe next, but also wouldn't be surprised to see them fall into a Phillies-like cliff with all the old players/poor farm system. 

 

BlueMk1690

July 5th, 2016 at 2:33 PM ^

so it's difficult to say. The Wings are on their way down and won't be a winner for some time. Larkin alone won't win a title and they have nothing on D. The Tigers' window is also shut now. The Lions are the Lions and the Pistons seem to attempt the rarely successful NBA rebuild without tanking for a superstar draftee.

I think it will be a long run without a title. It's now been 8 years. It wouldn't surprise me if that turned into 30 years.