Was lack of pass rush the cause of this historic aberration?

Submitted by CLord on November 27th, 2018 at 12:03 PM

If you're not interested in a rehash post please feel free to stop reading now and my apologies for cluttering the board.

I realize posting at this time when everyone is angry/frustrated is ill advised, but many of us are trying to process and understand how our #1 defense served up the worst performance in the history of the rivalry.  We all want this categorized, understood and processed so we can move on mentally and emotionally. 

A simple take that might provide such understanding is that this game was defined by the lack of pass rush, period.  No pass rush exposed Michigan in 2 ways:

1. Brown's defense is unduly reliant on pass rush, without which it has glaring weaknesses.

2. Haskins is arguably the best passing QB in Big Ten history and the lack of pressure gave him time to follow Indiana's blue print and expose those weaknesses in a way only someone of his caliber could.

A talent or speed gap was not the cause. It was a defense over reliant on an element that was missing, coming face to face with the best QB arguably in generations to expose that missing element.  Can anyone point to another game where the pass rush was this non-existent in the Don Brown era?  Please elaborate on if I'm way off here but this is how I am processing this aberration of a game unless educated otherwise.

Thanks in advance for any input.

ijohnb

November 27th, 2018 at 1:40 PM ^

We may get to find out.  Ohio State "turned on" like they did this past Saturday the same way in 2014 in what was also a pass heavy offense and won the whole damn thing.  Part of me would like to see OSU roll NW to get a crack at Alabama just to see it.  If they played like they did on Saturday I think it would be a close game.  Contrary to your statement, Michigan is not terrible, not by a long shot.  But I agree that OSU made them look that way.  I think Ohio State may quite a bit better than you think they are when they are all on the same page.

ijohnb

November 27th, 2018 at 12:56 PM ^

I think there were several factors at play.  Winovich and Gary were both dinged up and were playing at about 75%, our interior defensive line is relatively young and inexperienced and was not generating any pressure in the middle, OSU's offensive line is better than they have been playing and came to play against a hated rival, Watson and Gil were completely overmatched so Brown was hesitant to blitz anybody when we were getting toasted already. 

I think after the first drive he was essentially forced to just hope we could generate pressure with our front four but we couldn't due to players not being 100% and an Ohio State offensive line that just played a really good game.  I think that is what is getting lost in this.  I don't really think the issue is really that much what Michigan did or didn't do.  OSU just played a nearly impeccable football game.

wayneandgarth

November 27th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^

Agree.  Certainly Gary and Winovich were hurt/slowed down.  Two players of that caliber being off their game is going to be huge every time.  Also, Aubrey was out.  The interior line w/o him (and maybe with) is not the Hurst level we saw last year. 

What I don't quite understand is why Bush, Hudson or Safeties never got to Haskins either. 

All in all, I agree the #1 reason we lost was not being able to get to Haskins or hardly disrupt him. 

Mgoczar

November 27th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^

Or may be defense is dead. Like everywhere in college. OSU did give up 39 to Michigan as well. 

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25387894/west-virginia-oklahoma-lsu-texas-weekend-defense-died

After reading some commentary, its probably efficient and worth M's time to invest more in a dynamic offense that can go 60+ a game ala Oklahoma. Don't shun defense , but have the ability to score 50+ if needed. 

 

GeorgetownTom

November 27th, 2018 at 12:41 PM ^

This is really the only thing Michigan has to address moving forward. They MUST move to a modern college offense. That means dismissing whoever is the current OC and bringing in a young guy with a modern vision. I don't want to hear about how Michigan had a top 25 offense per the advanced stats or that the offense was effective against OSU. I agree, it was effective but once the defense failed to stop OSU, the offense needed to be able to keep up and it could not.

Yes, the current Harbaugh offense will get Michigan 9-10 wins a year, but that's more a product of being more talented than 9-10 of your opponents. If Michigan ever wants to go beyond the 9-10 wins a year, it needs a modern offense. Otherwise, Michigan is essentially a more talented version of Wisconsin.

JamesBondHerpesMeds

November 27th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^

#2 has been the general consensus from a lot of the experts talking this week.

Why the pass rush was so bad is another question. How OSU's sorta-swiss cheese line transitioned into Five Steve Hutchinsons over the course of a week will always baffle us, but I think the likely answer is Satanic Rituals.

ak47

November 27th, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^

Chase was injured, Gary has never been a pass rushing specialist and our dt's aren't good. So they doubled the defensive ends knowing they could win one on one inside. We couldn't blitz linebackers because they were taking Bush out to the edge with the rb. They put together a scheme that challenge our weakest points to win one on one battles. Watson couldn't do it without getting a jam at the line and our DT's couldn't win one one on one.

FieldingBLUE

November 27th, 2018 at 2:41 PM ^

Sadly, sports is a tad random.

OSU shot itself in the foot over and over against Purdue.
- 4 drives stalled inside the RZ with no points
- defense got caught in blitzes in wrong gaps repeatedly

Against us...OSU never chose wrong on run blitzes always hitting the right gap, OSU never missed a blitz going off a double to pick up the LB...it was like a perfect game on those things. 

I can't stand that they seem to get this right against us when they fail against others.

I tend to think they prepare more for us and find some weaknesses other teams prepping one week do not find. MSU often does similar. 

It is exactly what we expect from this staff and do not get.

theytookourjobs

November 27th, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^

It's hard to get much of a pass rush when the opposing team runs a ton of 3 step drop.  I'm surprised it's taken this long for our defensive scheme to get bitten in the ass like this.  Would be surprised if that's not what most teams try to do against us from here on out

The Fan in Fargo

November 27th, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^

Mattison and Herbert have some work to do with the interior d-line. Soloman, Dwumfour, Kemp, Jeter and Paye better be world beaters next year at this time or I'm coming for Mattison's job. Don't tempt me, I'll fricking do it. I'll take our jobs back Mr. theytookourjobs.

steve sharik

November 27th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^

Now that I think about it, I don't recall our pass rush getting home against Indiana and their quick crossing routes, either.  When it did, Ramsey gashed us scrambling. The latter is probably why the DTs didn't try to beat their blockers harder.

Harbaugh's Lef…

November 27th, 2018 at 12:17 PM ^

I was waiting for a blitz... hell I would have been happy with a four man line but it never came. While their speed was a huge problem for us, having people in Haskins face would have forced some of his throws but instead, he had all day back there...

1VaBlue1

November 27th, 2018 at 12:19 PM ^

Good God...

There is never one single answer for anything.  As usual, the problems were a combination of many things.  No pass rush is certainly one of them, largely because Haskins gets the ball out immediately on a 3-step drop.  But lets not make Haskins the "best passing QB in Big Ten history", let alone "the best QB arguably in generations ".  My God, he's a decent passer that hit short routes consistently.

Watson and Gill were targeted - because they are demonstrably slower than the guys they covered.  That's a crootin' issue relating to overall team depth - something that is getting better each year.  It took Dabo Swinney almost 10 years to get Clemson where it is today.  Patience, child...

Offensively, Harbaugh needs to find a killer instinct on offense - find a weak point and go after it mercilessly.  He just doesn't do that, so hopefully he's learned a valuable lesson here.  Couple a stagnant offense with a couple of mismatched defensive players, and you have Saturday.  I also wouldn't be surprised if some players were still dealing with whatever bug hit during IU week?  Not necessarily influenza - could've been the common cold, some stomach virus, or anything else.  Can't use that as an excuse, but something more than offense and defense was at play.

VintageBlue

November 27th, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^

So I wrote this post and decided against posting it but since you opened the door here it is slightly editted:

I think there could be something to your virus comment.  I'm partly serious, partly tinfoil hat wearing, and mostly grasping here. We know at least Solomon was ill during the latter part of the schedule (and I thought another defensive player was mentioned too).  It would explain a lot including the desire of the offense to play a plodding pace as much as possible to give the defense a breather.  We also saw quite a few guys go down with cramps these last few weeks, so dehydration issues would follow extreme exertion while battling an illness, no?  

Listening to Harbaugh's podcast, his dad said that if the teams played again next again week there might very well be a different outcome-- and Jim concurred.  It struck me as an odd comment for someone who speaks so deliberately about things like that.  Just a very matter-of-fact statement in stark contrast to that on Saturday.

Anyway, back to my SETI-related browser tabs.

lhglrkwg

November 27th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^

I get why OSU beat us over the head with our own severed limb. What I cannot grasp is how we got that OSU team on Saturday. OSU has played like trash against the bulk of their Big Ten schedule despite having enormous talent advantages over all of them. Michigan has a better defensive line, linebacking corps, and secondary than just about any of those teams and you're telling me OSU finally decided to upgrade from 'ass' to national title contender all of a sudden? Just in time for the game? I'm just shocked that we saw that OSU team show up out of nowhere. The one that actually plays to its talent level

harmon40

November 27th, 2018 at 12:48 PM ^

In one of Brian’s opponent watch posts he said the Bucks were as scary as a bear that had eaten two trays of pot brownies. Looks like the bear is high, but...still a bear. If it decides to maul you, you will be in trouble.

Talent was always there for them. Prior to the season many said this would be Meyer’s best ever OSU team. I guess the pot brownies wore off at exactly the wrong time.

B-Nut-GoBlue

November 27th, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^

Lack of disruptive D-tackles this year.  We've had them for quite a few years now and this year we don't.  Allows line to match up much easier to their strengths (and ours) and keep Haskins clean.  Quicker routes OSU runs also help but Goddamn usually someone gets home a few times a game....we didn't much sniff Haskins.

maize-blue

November 27th, 2018 at 12:32 PM ^

JH and Don B. got smoked in this game.

Hopefully they learn and adjust. If they remain stubborn in their ways, UM is an annual 9-10 win team and will not pass OSU.

HarbaughsDaddy

November 27th, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^

Yes and thank you for that. Thought we were going to have to replace Prince with, well anything at all in order to have an advantage. Thinking through the possible replacements was tough. We started with a large rock, a small tree and ended with thoughts of a hologram that looked like an offensive lineman. 

Not needed though thanks to Don Brown's fantastic game plan. He found a way to make Prince look good. 

bluescreen

November 27th, 2018 at 1:09 PM ^

Our secondary got burned, absolutely torched. Haskins had all day and no pressure so he was able to deliver accurate passes also. It was nothing new, OSU has been like that all year, they were 10-1 also. That was our mission was to slow them down and we didnt at all. We cant win in a high scoring shootout with them, that is why we lost, defensive breakdown.

True Blue Grit

November 27th, 2018 at 1:19 PM ^

It certainly had a big part in it.  But it wasn't the only cause.  Our offense needed to do something in the 3rd quarter scoring wise to keep the game closer (and keep their offense off the field).  They didn't partially because they kept trying to run the ball into the middle despite the obvious fact OSU was committed to stopping it.  If Michigan instead had started to spread out the defense at that point, we might have been able to at least keep the game pretty close going into the 4th quarter.  Instead, the blocked punt and interception, and the game was basically over.  

bluescreen

November 27th, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^

Good point and right on, they didnt adjust the gameplan when it appeared that we were not going to be able to slow them down, if we had opened the offense up we might have been able to keep it close. OSU's offense is good, very good,  but they arent unstoppable, if they play Clemson or Alabama they will lose, Haskins will not know what to do if he gets under pressure, I had hoped that our defense would be able to do that but they couldnt, sigh :(  

Hotel Putingrad

November 27th, 2018 at 1:34 PM ^

You know, if they had played a 3-3-5 with Gary in between Chase and Uche,, with Hudson, Bush, Watson as your second level and Thomas as your third corner whose primary third down responsibility was blizing from the slot, they would've fared much better.

That's something Durkin would've thought of.

NelzQ

November 27th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^

Intensity.

Ohio State brought it; Michigan didn't match it. Basically, they choked; 'blinked in the bright lights.

NelzQ

October 9th, 2018 at 12:28 PM ^

This team has the potential to win out. They have the talent and the scheme necessary to beat Wisconsin, MSU, Penn State and OSU.

The X-factor will be 'intensity'. If the team comes out intent on putting a beating on each of these teams, they will win out.

 

Their enemy right now is tentativeness. Petal to the metal and win out.

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