MSU Starting G David Beedle out for a month

Submitted by Bambi on October 8th, 2018 at 1:43 PM

Freep link with relevant quotes and more

So as of now, MSU has:

  • Starting G David Beedle out
  • Starting G Kevin Jarvis who missed the last 2 games and has been seen in a walking boot
  • Starting T Luke Campbell, who moved to guard after injuries, who hasn't started the last 2 games but has played
  • Starting T Cole Chewins who hasn't started at all this year due to injury. He's played but never a full game and looked ineffective while in.
  • Starting WR Cody White out with a broken hand suffered against CMU
  • WR Jalen Nailor out who missed CMU and NW
  • WR Darrell Stewart who missed CMU, played vs NW but Dantonioa claimed was hampered by his injury
  • Starting RB LJ Scott, who has sat the last 3 games and each time made the choice to sit himself as a game time decision
  • Starting CB Josiah Scott who has been out all year after suffering a meniscus injury. Dantonio said last week he is close to returning to practice
  • Starting CB Josh Butler who played one play vs CMU, played this past week but got dinged up, though he came back
  • Starting P Jake Hartbarger who is probably out for the season
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TrueBlue2003

October 8th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^

While this is a long list, I think if the same exercise were done for M, the list would be nearly as long. It's football.

  • Tarik Black
  • Solomon
  • Gary
  • Evans
  • Dwumfour
  • Vilain
  • St Juste
  • bunch of nicks and dings to other guys

The difference is Michigan has excellent depth.

 

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ijohnb

October 8th, 2018 at 2:57 PM ^

Come on, man.  All of Michigan State's injured players become "starters" once they are injured.  If you listen to them talk about the 2015 Michigan game, they played with Conner Cook and their entire second string the entire game.

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Bambi

October 8th, 2018 at 3:48 PM ^

I mean objectively all of those guys are starters. It's not a come on man thing, going into game 1 every single one of those guys would have been a starter except Stewart and Nailor (who I didn't list as starters) and maybe Butler, but even he was a pretty sure thing especially when Scott went out.

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TrueBlue2003

October 8th, 2018 at 5:03 PM ^

You're also counting a bunch of guys that are playing but whom Dantonio "claimed was hampered by his injury" because of course he's making excuses or guys that "got dinged up but came back into the game."

Stewart, Chewins, Campbell, they're all playing. We've had a bunch of those situations and I just grouped them into one category.  Metellus got dinged up in a game and came back, Long, Kemp, Patterson and Bush against ND, etc. 

It's football. Guys have to play dinged up all the time.

I also never said it was "the same".  I said it was "nearly" as many, which it is.

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Diagonal Blue

October 8th, 2018 at 2:40 PM ^

It's time for the NCAA to increase the scholarship limit. Too many games and too many injuries happening across CFB.

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UP to LA

October 8th, 2018 at 3:27 PM ^

Maybe if you implement it via something I've seen endorsed by Brian et al. here, with maybe a 100 scholarship limit, but each scholarship slot locked in for 4 years at signing. Give teams a bit more capacity to deal with injuries, but only if they're otherwise good at player retainment.

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J.

October 8th, 2018 at 3:35 PM ^

I've yet to hear a single coherent rationale for having a limit on scholarships in the first place.  If Alabama wants to have 1,000 people on its football team, more power to them.

The effect of the rule is to increase parity by distributing players across teams -- its the same reason that professional leagues have roster limits.  But (a) parity is mostly a myth in college football, and (b) programs with more resources should be able to take advantage of them.

Every year I hope some enterprising antitrust lawyer will file a lawsuit against the NCAA and a member institution for illegal restraint of trade.  The universities are creating an artificial scarcity in order to drive down the price of labor.  In any other industry, this practice would have been called out long ago.

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UP to LA

October 8th, 2018 at 3:48 PM ^

Yeah, I'd go along with a complete removal of limits. Among other things, it'd be good for player welfare, as teams would have way less incentive to medical guys or otherwise railroad them off teams.

That said, if one is wedded to the idea of a scholarship cap (as I imagine a bunch of administration types are), it seems pretty clear to me that a higher cap with 3-/4-year commitments is better than a lower cap with 1-year commitments.

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TrueBlue2003

October 8th, 2018 at 6:48 PM ^

illegal tho?

I mean, if I have a company and I set my headcount limit at 100 employees, is that an illegal restraint of trade?  I can decide how many people I want to hire just like the member universities of the NCAA have decided how many scholarships they want to give out.  

Your economics are also backwards.  If they're creating an artificial scarcity they would drive UP the price of labor.

What is potentially more "illegal" is that they've set a ceiling on the price directly and pegged it to the cost of a scholarship (for rule following institutions at least).  No need to tinker with supply and demand to get your desired price when you control the price.

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outsidethebox

October 8th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^

That's what they are whining about??? Sounds like an average listing to me. I believe the LJ Scott report defines the real matter...don't want to play football. 

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Jibbroni

October 8th, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^

Yup.  Sounds like last year.  Doesnt matter.  They could play their mens rowing team against us and give us a run.  Until this team develops a sense of urgency(which has been lacking for my 42 years of fandom,especially when it comes to MSU) then it will always be a battle.  I saw a similar injury report last year.  

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Ty Butterfield

October 8th, 2018 at 4:05 PM ^

The real question is if the Michigan staff will take advantage. Running Higdon up the middle 30 times will result in a loss. Shea needs to be unleashed for this game. Make no mistake Staee will look like a different team when they play Michigan.

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Mr.Jim

October 8th, 2018 at 5:42 PM ^

Wow. That’s a lot of injuries. I feel bad for the individual players, but not for the team. Lord knows, Michigan’s football team has had its share of depleted rosters through the years due to injuries. Something tells me that Spartan fans did not shed any tears for the Wolverines as those injuries mounted. Next man up!

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Perkis-Size Me

October 8th, 2018 at 5:45 PM ^

We could be playing a team full of MSU walk-ons and I'd still think that game was no better odds than a coin flip. 

I don't care who MSU trots out onto the field next week, we'd better be ready for a war. MSU is always going to get up for this game, and after a very likely loss they're going to get handed in Happy Valley this weekend, they're going to look to the Michigan game as a "save our season" kind of game.

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jsquigg

October 8th, 2018 at 5:47 PM ^

A built in excuse.  This really is a must win.  Really a must dominate given the amount of garbage that's been pumped out of East Landfill over a decade.  I need to see Jimmy mercilessly run the score up on those bastards.

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UM Indy

October 8th, 2018 at 6:42 PM ^

Penn St is going to do unspeakable things to this shitty undermanned team on Saturday. Then they will somehow rise from the dead and play their best game against us. 

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