SIAP - Harbaugh says B1G admits error on Higdon phantom hold call
https://articles.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2018/10/jim_harbaugh_big_ten_admitted_1.amp
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October 3rd, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^
Now if we could get them to admit institutional bias against Michigan football...
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^
The problem is any claim to institutional bias is nearly impossible to prove. Even damning evidence such as the holding penalty discrepancy can be brushed off as a statistical improbability.
October 3rd, 2018 at 2:55 PM ^
Proof of institutional bias:
Four seasons is a big enough sample, right?
There is a pretty clear downward sloping trend here, which makes sense. The better your DL, the more often you draw holding penalties. Illinois is a statistical outlier. Our shit is outrageous bias.
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^
This is more than enough evidence to prove institutional bias. Can someone send it to Warde. Do you have historical data? Hoke Years and RRod years?
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:18 PM ^
Still not proof of institutional bias. That's about 2 penalties per year difference.
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:56 PM ^
Sure, the total number is relatively small, but comparatively it's a huge difference if you are nearly 50% as likely to get a call as an "average" conference team. If it was, say, 10 penalties a year different it would be so insanely obvious we wouldn't be having this discussion.
October 3rd, 2018 at 4:42 PM ^
But with a tiny sample it doesn't take much random variability to get to an outlier. And there can be other factors. Michigan blitzes its linebackers a lot from weird places. Don Brown is fantastic at getting free running linebackers in for sacks but those plays are never going to generate a hold. On the flip side the defensive ends are asked to do more and we haven't had a true edge speed rusher who is most likely to get a hold call against. Taco, and Wormley, and Gary are all incredible football players, but they are a different type of defensive end than joey bosa is for example. When you are talking about 2 penalties per year and you are shifting 10% of sacks from the dline to linebackers that explains part of the difference already.
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:22 PM ^
But every team in the conference doesn't play the same style of front 7 defense either, and yet none of then have this dichotomy. Take, for example, IU. They've had 27 accepted holds over the last 4 years and their leaders in sacks have typically been linebackers or tackles, and save for one year where their leader had 9.5 they haven't come all that close to being a conference leader.
Another leader in holds is Purdue, which hasn't finished in the top 50 on sacks in the nation over that span, yet is 2nd in holds in the conference. Maybe their system is designed to get them really close to QBs without actually tackling them, but that seems unlikely.
I don't think it's some grand conspiracy, but I also don't think it's how Michigan plays defense that explains why they are demonstrably behind everyone else in this conference in terms of getting holding calls.
October 4th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^
You are succumbing to small sample sizes and the bias of small numbers.
October 3rd, 2018 at 8:02 PM ^
More like 2 penalties per game difference.
October 4th, 2018 at 12:23 PM ^
The average number of plays defensed per game in the NCAA is 70. Over 2/3 of teams in D1 fall between 65-75.
Indiana gets 1.38 holds per 100 plays defended. Indiana get ~0.97 holds per game.
Michigan gets 0.76 holds per 100 plays defended. Michigan gets ~0.53 holds per game.
Less than 1/2 of 1 penalty per game. A total of 4 penalties difference between Indiana and Michigan over a 9 game conference schedule.
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:31 PM ^
The only plausible explanation is that our defense is so fast they can't grab them.
October 4th, 2018 at 12:13 PM ^
" Four seasons is a big enough sample, right? "
Highly unlikely when the delta between the best and worst rates in the conference amount to less than 1/2 of 1 penalty per game.
We're talking about the difference (on average) between your opponent getting called for 0.53 holds per game (Michigan) vs. 0.92 holds per game (Indiana).,
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:10 PM ^
Statistical improbability? Look at the graph from yesterday's board post. Michigan's position on that graph is so many standard deviations away from the norm, it's virtually impossible - not improbable. Anyone who understands statistics (and they must have someone at the Big Ten office who does) would recognize something is rotten in Denmark.
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^
Michigan is an outlier...so much so that Michigan all by itself completely reverses the liner trend in the data.
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:58 PM ^
It's easy to become an outlier when officials routinely flag penalties that don't occur. And on Saturday, the referee threw two flags on penalties that you'd need a Ken Burns documentary to dissect in detail and give adequate treatment to support.
They called at least three questionable if not unsupported penalties on Michigan that charged Rashan Gary with hands-to-the-face, a 15-yard markoff leading to a first half field goal, the side judge (apparently, since no else came forward) threw the flag on Higdon after getting tackled on a fake handoff for offensive holding, and they called an illegal block in the back on a phantom David Long for another penalty that never occurred on a nice punt return by Peoples-Jones.
And Long was also flagged in the endzone on a play where both receiver and defender were wrestling with each other before the ball arrived. It was an iffy call, at best.
Now that is three questionable, phantom or iffy penalties that led to poor field positiion and markoffs totaling more than 45 yards benefitting the opposition. And Northwestern was called for two penalties all game long. And one of the penalties, according to Fox, resulted only because Michigan's sideline pushed for the call of defensive holding at the LOS.
So, what does that say? It says this: pressure works, unless you are Michigan.
We have apparently understimated the level of resentment against Harbaugh after his infamous blowup in Columbus, culminating an entry into the league in which he routinely berated officials on TV with grand relish. You've seen his change in demeanor. It has not reflected a change in shitty officiating against his team, or at least politifcal revenge. Because what else can you conclude based on the available record?
And there's the bottom line: Big Ten officiating sucks. Last week against Nebraska, John O'Neill's crew, supposedly one of the best in the conference, confirmed a missed call for facemask only after a Jumbotron replay because nobody flagged what thousands in the crowd saw without mistakable clarity.
Beyond that, the crew was corrected twice by the booth on rules applications after initially announcing a misapplication of rules. We are not talking about judgment here. We are talking about misapplication of a rule. That can never happen to a lead official in a game of any significance. That is grounds for dismissal, Seriously. You can fuck up on judgment, not rules application, no matter how arcane. But that is where we are, just hoping the officials don't prevent us from a great season.
October 4th, 2018 at 9:57 AM ^
How is this a result of his blowup in Columbus, when his blowup in Columbus was a result of the worst officiating...ever? Plus, there have been issues between Michigan and Delaney since 1989, so don’t think it’s on Harbaugh.
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^
"and they must have someone at the Big Ten office who does"
Are we really banking on the competency of the B1G office???
October 4th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
In terms of holds called against opponents - Michigan is almost exactly 2 standard deviations away from the average.
In a 14 team league, assuming a normal distribution - you would expect:
9.6 teams between 0-1 standard deviation.
3.8 teams between 1-2 standard deviation.
0.6 teams between 2-3 standard deviation.
Actual distribution:
9 teams between 0-1 standard deviation.
4 teams between 1-2 standard deviation.
1 team between 2-3 standard deviation.
Of course, it doesn't actually appear to be a normal distribution...
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^
Delusional and sad
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^
Have you seen the "holding discrepancy" graph?
If you have and you've come away thinking anything other than "we're getting systematically screwed" then the delusion is yours.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:40 PM ^
Yeah i just think our O-Line sucks ass
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^
You're out of your element, Donny. Seriously wake the fuck up and don't talk out of your ass when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:44 PM ^
I don't think you have. That statement does not correlate with the data from the graph.
October 3rd, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^
how is this shit upvoted? This idiot doesn't even understand the graph has nothing to do with our O-line
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:45 PM ^
What the hell does that have to do with the Michigan defense having the fewest holding calls made in its favor?
Troll.
October 3rd, 2018 at 2:19 PM ^
For some troll that wants to come off as a total ass-clown, everything.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:45 PM ^
Those stats don't talk about our OL. They are holds against the opponents OL when our defense is on the field. Perhaps try reading for comprehension next time...
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:45 PM ^
Apparently you don't understand the chart.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:46 PM ^
I don't know what that has to do with not getting holding calls on the opponent against our defense,,,
But btw, they actually don't suck ass this year.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^
Everybody hates Raymond
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^
OMG, this totally makes sense!
Michigan's O-Line play is so bad, the officials feel obligated to... allow the opposition to hold Michigan's D-Line, because... otherwise... aliens? Right?
Thank goodness someone is protecting us from the aliens!
October 3rd, 2018 at 5:45 PM ^
Mars.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:49 PM ^
are you really this stupid or is it just an act?
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:50 PM ^
You are a mental midget.
October 3rd, 2018 at 2:04 PM ^
What exactly would our OL sucking ass (which they don’t, but that’s besides the point here) have to do with the lack of holding calls our elite defensive line has drawn over the past few seasons?
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^
Hahahaha you don't understand charts and have no clue what you're even trolling about....and you're dumb and you should feel bad
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^
The graph is about the DLINE, dumbfuck.
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^
That is literally the opposite of what the graph is trying to tell you.
Like...you got the offensive line confused with the defensive line. AND you got the teams switched.
Whew, when you miss the point you REALLY miss it, don't you...
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:49 PM ^
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October 3rd, 2018 at 4:04 PM ^
This is twice now that I've seen you pull the trigger on one of these numbnuts trolls.
You're quickly becoming my favorite mod.
October 3rd, 2018 at 4:46 PM ^
What would our O-line sucking have to do with holding calls against our defense?
October 3rd, 2018 at 2:15 PM ^
The graph is very real but its also a tiny sample size per year. In 2016, our best year defensively we averaged about 3.5 sacks per game. Literally 5 extra hold calls over the entire year would have brought Michigan back into the pack I think. Bama has had the same bad luck, is their an institutional bias against Bama football?
October 3rd, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^
Is Bama in the same boat? How about providing those same stats for the SEC...
October 3rd, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
The trend has been remarkably consistent going back to 2012. I don’t think it’s a small sample size.
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:40 PM ^
I would love to see graph expanded to all power 5 conferences. And you maybe right, Bama's is on the same boat, but I will not be convinced before seeing some cold hard evidence supporting it.
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:50 PM ^
an extra hold call against OSU or IOWA may have been the difference between going undefeated or not.
October 4th, 2018 at 2:34 AM ^
Regardless of the hold graph, Michigan's D line, and the Defense in general has been dominant over the last four years, and not the reason we've lost the games we had. The problem with the team is our weak O line, and poor qb play. There is no conspiracy.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:45 PM ^
Brilliant insight from the guy who thinks a player dying due to neglect isn't a big deal.
October 3rd, 2018 at 5:37 PM ^
Speaking of your life?