OSU President Michael Drake: Investigation will be finished when it's finished

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Link to 11Warriors post about it.

The article itself has some more quotes and has more details about the investigation but it sounds like OSU is giving itself the potential to drag this out longer. 

Lets hope Michael Drake is a #seriousdude.

gruden

August 17th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^

Right now this looks like one of those pivotal moments in the university's existence where either they decide to continue being an SEC orphan or step up to be a serious academic organization.  We'll know which route they're taking when it's announced.

And Urban's past is very much germane to the investigation, as it reaches back into his tenure at Florida.  And the snippet posted from his contract clearly indicates that past indiscretions can be used as cause to fire him.  The previous admin that hired Urban didn't seem to care about all the arrests and problems at UF, only the fact he won a lot.  The current admin may take a different view, we'll see, but it can and likely will be considered.

UofMfanINcolumbus

August 17th, 2018 at 12:30 AM ^

The 11 warrior comments are golden, I’d say 75% of the people are shitting their pants and don’t believe Urban will be their coach anymore. Shitty they’ll still be loaded with talent and a good staff to lead them. Plus they don’t fucking play anybody so that helps. Oregon State, Tulane, and TCU are all ass. They go to MSU and Penn state and that’s about all the competition they have until Michigan rolls into Columbus. 

UofMfanINcolumbus

August 17th, 2018 at 10:22 AM ^

They had one decent win last year, they just lost their best Defenseive player, and Kenny Hill is no longer their QB. Let’s not sit here and act like they’ll compete with OSU. Trust me I hope they win, I just don’t see it happening. The only point I was trying to make it Ohio State will be good with or with out Urban. That team is talented. This won’t be like 2011 when Fickell was the coach. Jim Tressel and 6 of their best players left the team that year in tatgate. They might only lose Urban, they still have 2 coaches who could coach P5 teams, Ryan Day will be a head coach in the next 5 years somewhere. 

Perkis-Size Me

August 17th, 2018 at 8:09 AM ^

TCU is pre-season top-25 if memory serves. I think they just lost one of their starting DT's for the season but they've still got a good team that can give OSU a real challenge.

Couple that with if (and this is a very, VERY big if) Meyer does indeed resign or get fired, that's an OSU team potentially in disarray. Or at the very least, they are not the same team w/o him. TCU could capitalize on that. OSU would still be favored I'm sure due to the sheer talent advantage, but TCU won't be a pushover by any stretch. And the game will be right in their backyard so that helps too. 

GotBlueOnMyMind

August 17th, 2018 at 12:52 AM ^

The optimist in me hopes they are truly attempting to do a thorough investigation. The cynic wonders whether they saw the backlash from placing a 14 day definitive end date on the investigation and are attempting to mitigate takes that the investigation was a sham.

NittanyFan

August 17th, 2018 at 1:02 AM ^

President Drake fired the OSU band director back in 2014.  That band director (Jon Waters) was fairly beloved by Buckeye folk.  But Drake showed him the door, despite Drake being in his new job for less than a month.

That decision - coming 24 days into the job - it was a strong move.  It was a "there's a new sheriff in town" type of move.

Meyer's infinitely more beloved than Waters, of course.  But I don't think Drake is a man who is afraid of the potential backlash involved w/ firing Meyer.  I don't think Drake is afraid of Meyer either.

There are plenty of other cases where a University President (Gordon Gee w/ Tressel, Spanier w/ Paterno, Edward Foote w/ Jimmy Johnson way back in the day) was afraid of their football coach, or afraid of backlash in censoring that coach.  So those Presidents generally kow-towed to the coach.  I don't think Drake is that type of University President.

DrMantisToboggan

August 17th, 2018 at 9:45 AM ^

I agree. Drake is an academia guy (Stanford undergraduate and San Fran Med School) who wants to make OSU as respectable an academic institution as possible. I’m not saying the importance of football at OSU is lost on him - I don’t know how it could be - but he’s not the type to let a sports scandal mess with University reputation.

Jonesy

August 17th, 2018 at 1:06 AM ^

I'll be completely shocked if he's let go. Izzo and Dantonio have more clearly done far worse things and they're not going anywhere.

Indy Pete - Go Blue

August 17th, 2018 at 1:19 AM ^

 I think we all sincerely hope that Ohio State does the right thing here. Here is a hypothetical: they actually fire urban Meyer because they want to send a message as an institution that any semblance of affiliation with domestic violence is absolutely unacceptable. Then they hire a coach with a high level of integrity, and then they continue to beat us four straight years.  That scares me, because they would’ve taken the highroad and then still on us on the football field. Losing to Meyer is a terrible experience, but at least we have the morally superior institution.  Now if they keep him, and we manage to beat him in the good versus evil matchup this year, that would be a beautiful form of vigilante sports justice. 

UMForLife

August 17th, 2018 at 2:04 AM ^

I am fine with that as I have high opinion about Harbaugh. He will get it done. Besides, this is not about rivalry. If Meyer did support an abuser knowingly, he needs to go. I will tip my hat to OSU and will still call them cooler poppers. They will eventually get rid off the president especially if he dumps Meyer and OSU lose to us a couple of years in a row. They just can't help themselves.

ToledoWolverine

August 17th, 2018 at 1:45 AM ^

One thing seems clear to me, Drake is going to make sure that the investigation is free of any criticism about the manner in which it was conducted. Whether or not Meyer gets the axe, he (Drake) is going to make damn sure nothing blows back on him. 

I think the interview was more about him driving this home than anything else. I don’t think Drake gives a shit which way it goes as long as his gig is safe, and he isn’t responsible for a 38 million dollar buyout. 

 

Mr Miggle

August 17th, 2018 at 1:04 PM ^

I've wondered whether Drake is more concerned about his next job opportunity than keeping his current job. If he is ambitious, what looks better on his resume for next level jobs? 

One point that can't be lost on him is that Meyer's undoing, assuming there is one, was precipitated by protecting one of his employees who didn't merit it. 

 

UM Fan from Sydney

August 17th, 2018 at 7:13 AM ^

In other words - “It will be finished when we have good enough alibis for every question we think will be asked after we announce our own domestic violence enabler is not fired because we value wins more than anything.”

DeepBlueC

August 17th, 2018 at 7:29 AM ^

Drake knows that public/internet outrage over this sort of thing has a life span of about 2 weeks, after which time most people's attention will have moved on to something else. You can bet your left testicle they have people tracking how much Meyer gets mentioned on the internet, and will wait until things cool down sufficiently before they announce they're reinstating him.

DelhiWolverine

August 17th, 2018 at 8:07 AM ^

I don’t know - that’s a hell of a gamble because the closer we get to the season opener with no decision, the likelier it is that he will be brought up more and more because of his absence. The story has less likelihood of going away because the team becomes more and more relevant due to playing actual games. This was the absolute worst time of year for this stuff to come out because everyone cares the most about football right now.They could have had far more success with this strategy in February when football seems so far off. Not so much right now.

kevbo1

August 17th, 2018 at 7:55 AM ^

I hope they include talking to the Powell PD, who is apparently good at looking the other way also.  Seems like Meyer will stay and Gene Smith will take the fall for him.  Not that it's much of a sacrifice given that Gene Smith is near retirement already and he would receive a big severance package.

The positive about Meyer staying would be reporters digging for other skeletons in the closet all year long.

gustave ferbert

August 17th, 2018 at 8:05 AM ^

he wants to uncover all the skeletons in the closet.  To make sure when he reinstates Urban he won't have any embarrassing stories from McMurphy dropping after the decision comes out.

Perkis-Size Me

August 17th, 2018 at 8:30 AM ^

I'd still be shocked if he's fired or resigns. This is more about having time to angle the right story for his return, or to negotiate Gene Smith's resignation. 

Gene Smith is replaceable. Meyer isn't. Not only does he win football games, but he is a HUGE cash cow for the university as a whole. Increased student applications, increased alum donations, new facilities (both academic and athletic). When I lived in Columbus a couple years ago (during their title run as well) there was new construction going on all over campus. Meyer is at least indirectly responsible for all of that. He's not the sole reason for it, but he's one of the main reasons at any rate. 

My guess is that Drake is also dragging it on this along to make sure the investigation is conducted in such a way to where, at least with the information currently known, none of this ever comes back on him as some sort of sham or botched investigation. He wants to be able to go through points A-Z and say "we did that" or "we investigated that." 

At the end of the day, I think the worst Meyer is yet to face is just going to be some hilarious college gameday signs, and some snarky comments from Paul Finebaum and Mark May. But he's coming back. Now if this was John Cooper we were talking about, there would've been no LOA. He would've been fired two weeks ago. 

LeCheezus

August 17th, 2018 at 9:45 AM ^

Meyer doesn't need to be "replaceable" per se, because if OSU sits this season out with an interim coach they will likely be able to sign a very good coach at the end of the year.  What is the "Dollars brought in over replacement" (DBIOR?) for the hottest coach in CFB likely coming to Columbus compared to Urban Meyer?  Might be some drop off but you also have to factor in potential problems if you believe Meyer to be a serial liar with a lot more skeletons in the closet.

Mr Miggle

August 17th, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^

Everyone is replaceable. OSU football will be fine without Meyer. 

If there's one lesson for other schools from the Paterno/Sandusky scandal, it's that PSU blundered by treating Paterno as if he was irreplaceable. Just by launching a serious investigation OSU is demonstrating they won't make that mistake.

I wouldn't underestimate the tension that often exists between academics and athletics. There's always an element that resents the attention shown to sports. It can be based on the preferential treatment they're given, the reverence shown sports figures or just the idea that the school has the wrong priorities. MSU faculty came out overwhelmingly against Engler largely on those grounds and I think it's worth looking at the school's leadership to see whose side they might be on. Gee was in one camp and Drake may very well be on the opposite side.

 

Perkis-Size Me

August 17th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^

I’ll believe that OSU acts in the best interest of its academic reputation vs. it’s athletic reputation when I actually see it happen. 

OSU is a good school, and it has improved that image exponentially in the last few decades. But this is just my (admittedly biased) opinion: Meyer isn’t going anywhere in large part because of the results he puts on the field. I really believe that if this were happening to John Cooper, that OSU would've fired him two weeks ago. 

Arb lover

August 17th, 2018 at 9:00 AM ^

Well... Billable hours are in play. That doesn't mean a delay puts Meyer out the door, it means their firm wants to make the investigation look good, and get paid to boot. 

There will be, of course, those within the industry that argue that counselors are above reproach and an officer of the court would never act in their own personal interest (really? They get paid to justify things to their client). There's plenty of justification to draw it out, even if it's the wrong call for all involved.

All that said, I read this article and the quotes as justification for why the findings announcement is going to coincidentally occur this afternoon or evening, because it will finish when it's finished.

Jeff09

August 17th, 2018 at 9:31 AM ^

I really don't think this gives us much new information re: whether he stays or goes as it's pretty simple to craft a narrative in either direction. For instance - it's taking longer because they need time to fully negotiate a resignation/buyout combo and prep their publicity statement to minimize damage. On the other hand, they want to reinstate him and show that all the allegations were overblown, but need to collect all the evidence as 1) they can't have McMurphy lobbing unexpected bombs following the decision and 2) you better be damn sure that the allegations are unwarranted if you're essentially going to go against the victim in this case. I think the 14 days was ambitious and it makes sense that it will likely take longer than that - but I don't think you can read into a decision one way or the other on the basis of this information.

carolina blue

August 17th, 2018 at 10:03 AM ^

MgrowoldPosted a personal story that sounds a lot like the Smiths situation. Has anyone read anything to suggest that there is evidence that the OSU Slappy version of this is actually true?  11 warriors is obviously very convinced that the woman is bat shit crazy. Most of the rest of the world is convinced that Zach Smith is an abuser. Can it be a little bit of both? I really just want this investigation to turn up the truth. The problem is, the truth is very hard to achieve in the situations. Will we ever really know for sure? Probably not.

carolina blue

August 17th, 2018 at 10:51 AM ^

Maybe. Many see this as one or the other,and I tend to agree with that. However, it is possible she’s crazy AND he abused her. I don’t think that’s necessarily a gray area compromise,but that both could simoultaneously true. She may be an insane drunk, I don’t know. He may also have abused her. They can both be true without one justifying another nor compromising the other. My question is whether  or not there is any real evidence as to whether one is true, the other is true, or if both are true. 

carolina blue

August 17th, 2018 at 11:47 AM ^

No. Not even a little bit. I’m saying it’s possible that she’s crazy and that he abused her. Neither one excuses the other (though you could certainly argue some validity to “he hit her, which is what made her crazy”) I’m also saying that we are likely to never know the truth simply because it’s very difficult to know what the truth is in a lot of these situations.