It's Your Job To Know Comment Count

Brian

[Bryan Fuller]

It doesn't matter whether Urban Meyer knew what Zach Smith did to his wife. It didn't matter if Joe Paterno knew. It didn't matter if Lou Anna Simon knew. All three of these people were or are the superiors of people who can fairly be described as evil, and we are now coming to a society-wide revelation that systems that allow abusers to continue unchecked for years are designed to do so. People in charge of massively failed systems do not get a pass because their system sucks.

Penn State was designed to allow Jerry Sandusky to continue operating well after his mysterious departure from the program. He used Penn State facilities to abuse children for years after his official departure from the staff. That departure was never explained despite requiring explanation: extremely successful 55-year old defensive coordinators do not simply evaporate from college football. Anyone poking around the edges would have found out. That it went on so long is by design.

Michigan State was—is—designed to allow Larry Nassar to operate for years even after reports started filtering up the ranks. Nassar was allowed to see patients for 16 months while he was under investigation for sex crimes. His direct superior is also a sex criminal whose behavior was reported to no avail. The Michigan State board of trustees offered their strong support for Simon even after the scope of the criminality became clear, and hired an ancient toad crony to try to sweep things under the rug.

The only way Urban Meyer did not know about Zach Smith is if his entire program is designed to keep that knowledge away from him. Saying he might not know is no defense. It is worse for Meyer if he ran the kind of program where the head coach did not know serious, damning information about one of his assistant coaches when every one of his coaches' wives knew, when the police knew, when fucking bloggers knew:

There are programs like that. There are programs where the biggest sin in the business is telling the head guy what you're up to. Jim Tressel ran a "no snitching" program, and then a lawyer with some very wrong ideas about how Ohio State wanted to run things made the cardinal mistake: he told the head guy what people were up to. The Ohio Bar gave him some misconduct runaround in the aftermath because no deed against the wishes of the program goes unpunished.

It's one thing when you don't want to know about some kid exchanging services for money. But "I don't want to know" is systemic. It spreads. Ohio State learned nothing. Their lesson from the snitching incident was never learned because that entire program was indignant that the NCAA had the temerity to enforce its "no lying to us" rules and fell ass-backwards into an elite coach who just inexplicably left a program he had two titles at. When that guy decides to import an already-established domestic abuser from his previous job, well, nobody asked you about it.

Ohio State was designed to shelter Zach Smith. Urban Meyer's programs at two different unversities were designed to shelter Zach Smith. Meyer's level of knowledge is irrelevant except in an after action report. If Urban Meyer didn't know it's because he didn't want to know. It's his job to know. It is his job to know if any of his players have a jaywalking citation. It is 1000% his job to know whether the flagship institution of the state of Ohio is accommodating a serial abuser.

It is your job to know. If you don't know, you shouldn't have a job.

Comments

Section 1.8

August 2nd, 2018 at 12:25 PM ^

Yeah, I saw the support that Jon Waters got; it was mostly heartfelt, thoughtful and genuine.  I read the "Glaros" Report.  I have learned who Chris Glaros is.  ;-)  I noted that the complaint that kicked off the entire investigation was not from any band member.  It was from the mother of a band member.

Bando Calrissian

August 2nd, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^

The Ohio State band had a long history of fairly rough behavior behind the scenes. It was a known culture of hazing (they had a longstanding tradition of severely mistreating, if not abusing "rookies," for one), sexism, misogyny, fairly brutish behavior, and, oh, an anti-Semitic songbook passed around to all members. Anybody close to the band world was aware of what they were like behind the scenes. (Also see: Wisconsin and Michigan State.) It wasn't OK. And OSU finally did something about it, even if it was the dreaded parent who finally got them to pay attention to what had been happening under their noses for decades. Sound familiar?

In short, Waters got rightfully canned for perpetuating a longstanding and fairly disgusting band culture. But, hey, New Section 1 wants to litigate it again on the internet. Again, sound familiar?

Section 1.8

August 2nd, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^

YOU brought it up on this comments page, and YOU called out Waters' supporters as "deranged."

I see some deranged comments on MGoBlog; I see some deranged comments on 11W.  I've seen a deranged OWNER at 11W.

I actually participated in the discussion thread at 11W when the Waters' case broke.  Because it followed some months' after the Gibbons Title IX Kangaroo Court case at Michigan.  And I had assured the 11W membership, "It is going to happen to you; there will be a Title IX action someday, and it might involve your starting tailback, or a starting linebacker, or point guard, and it will be someone against whom no criminal charges have been brought, but there will be a Title IX process with a standard of mere "preponderance of the evidence," and no due process, and there could well be some political pressure thrown in.  A matter of weeks later, the Waters story hit the newspapers.  And one of the 11W moderators said, "For all of the shit that M Man [my handle on their site] gets here, he was right on this one.  He called it."  My laughing response was, "But who imagined it would be the band leader!"

Bando, you made no effort to distinguish the "deranged" from the reasonable.  I tried to.

Arb lover

August 2nd, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^

Brian's post is spot on, but I'd note in comparing the two situations (OSU student under the band directors watch being abused vs the family member of a football staff being abused) OSU will unfortunately likely feel they have wiggle room.

I think he survives unless more comes out about the three very lightly known incidents more central to Urbans knowledge. I apologise for not linking. I'll have a diary of research from buried news sources I've been doing over the last month up by the weekend (assuming it doesn't break earlier and/or mods let me post it).

Needs

August 2nd, 2018 at 2:41 PM ^

It's clear from the university's policy on sexual misconduct that both Meyers had an obligation to report within five days and failed to meet their obligations (policy here: https://hr.osu.edu/wp-content/uploads/policy115.pdf). The policy makes no distinction between reporting duties for cases involving students and employees.

Now, what the sanctions are for failing to report is not clear, but given the Meyers' long running knowledge of the situation, and their failure to report repeated incidents (and the fact that they've certainly gone through sexual misconduct policy education modules as a condition of employment, as have almost all university employees in the US over the past decade), it will be hard to justify any innocent explanation. They could probably get by with giving Urban a significant suspension. Shelly will likely be fired. But they may choose to forego the whole thing and negotiate a settlement.

Mr Miggle

August 3rd, 2018 at 10:39 AM ^

I think what will happen is that Meyer will acknowledge that he should have known and step down. He won't admit to lying and they will negotiate a settlement. His leaving will short circuit the investigation. Anything short of that, like imposing a suspension, will mean they follow through it. No one knows how long that will take or where it might lead. OSU will only do it if they want to clean house and I find that unlikely.

1408

August 2nd, 2018 at 11:36 AM ^

Further than "not knowing" is the employment of a "special assistant" or "life coach" who tells someone not to press charges followed by the importation of this man to the next program.  The guy was a fixer. 

BroadneckBlue21

August 2nd, 2018 at 11:38 AM ^

Elevenwarriors are rationalizing how the victim is at fault. Five minutes in, the recurring excuses why Urban is not to be fired:

1) Her own parents did nothing.

2) It is not his job to police his staff or his staff’s family issues, even if known. “What’s he supposed to do?”

3) Completely ignore the fact that there were police records, a prior altercation that Meyer did know about from 2009, and a big fat divorce. Meyer can plead ignorance as to why his staff member of 10 years had a major life event...after knowing how their marriage started.

4) He was a great recruiter, so why should he be fired for domestic abuse. 

Section 1.8

August 2nd, 2018 at 12:31 PM ^

I'm reading 11W too, so I know for a fact that you are mischaracterizing them.  I'd urge everybody to ignore your summary and read for themselves.  They are doing great coverage.  As is the case with all team-blogs, there are some magnificent idiots doing comments, and a very few people with really interesting comments.

{Incidentally, I have always been mystified by the notion that our going to 11W, or their readers coming here, was like taking a plane to Afghanistan, or entering a sealed army base.  I read their stuff all the time.  I expect them to read stuff here.  It is one click away.  It amazes me the extent to which readers and blog owners alike regard these things as "communities," or even "gated communities."  There is only one truth, and it doesn't wear Scarlet and Gray or Maize and Blue.}

tomer

August 2nd, 2018 at 1:02 PM ^

Stupidly, I got in an argument with a jackass on Facebook that was making the "her parents did nothing" argument. He kept falling back on if it were his kids he would have gotten involved. Therefore, because the details about how the situation were handled that he has hear don't line up with how her would've behaved, something clearly doesn't add up. In other words, bitches be crazy and she is probably making shit up.

Fucking disgusting behavior.

Sopwith

August 2nd, 2018 at 11:49 AM ^

It's just a hope, frankly. We don't know.

The problem is human nature, and even more so, the psychology of operating within institutions. The instinct is that if anything bad happens, you protect the institution by keeping quiet about it, when the opposite is actually true. As an attorney, you see this all.the.freaking.time.  People make mistakes, so just admit and own up to it... covering it up will just make it go nuclear when its found out. And it will be.

Rabbit21

August 2nd, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^

It's not that it doesn't I don't think(especially when the Brendan Gibbons story is considered), but that there is less leeway.  

1.  The Basketball explosion of the mid-90's was sufficiently damaging that the University will want to get ahead of most of these stories and there's awareness of how damaging these things can be, so anything that might be damaging like this tends to be dealt with pretty quickly.

2.  Michigan just does not have the local media free pass like MSU and OSU do.  Like it or not that matters and it changes how approaches to scandals work.  The only way a scandal at either place is going to cause heads to roll is if National attention gets focused in a way that it can't be ignored.  No-one actually gives two shits about Michigan State and the Nassar thing is being framed as more of a USA Gymnastics issue.  This being Ohio State, we may see a difference as people actually care about Ohio State.  

wahooverine

August 2nd, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^

As big as Michigan Football is, I think Michigan ultimately views itself, and operates, as an institution of higher learning whose priorities subsume football and it would never institutionally try to cover up crimes to save a prominent coach or program.  I think those lessons were learned after Fab Five and Stretchgate, and the right and sufficient controls, risk culture and transparency have been put into place. 

This isn't not to say there can't be bad actors within the program or university, but I don't think Michigan as an institution operates now in the way Brian described PSU, OSU and MSU do. Malfeasance, when discovered, would prompt an immune response that saves the host. 

(Knock on wood - next thing I know, a whistleblower will reveal that Beilein runs a underage goat fighting ring out of the basement in Crisler and pays players with the proceeds; obviously the goats have daggers attached to their heads and average 32% from long distance)

 

Section 1.8

August 2nd, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^

Brendan Gibbons' situation was investigated by three Ann Arbor police detectives.  Gibbons gave them a statement, voluntarily, without benefit of counsel.  Gibbons' accuser declined to cooperate with police.  Eventually, the police would not even refer charges to the Washtenaw County Prosecutor, and the Prosecutor, aware of the case, did not independently take it further.  There were no charges, no trial, no conviction.

The very idea that Michigan somehow covered it up is a worse than an urban legend; it is a joke.

THE ONLY REASON that Gibbons' situation arose more than four years later is because the Obama Administration changed its standards for Title IX investigations and they threatened schools with a loss of federal funding if they didn't also apply those new, lowered, evidentiary standards.  AND THEN A THIRD PERSON, not Gibbons' purported victim, initiated a Title IX/student disciplinary proceeding against Gibbons.  No lawyers, no transcripts, no confrontation of accusing witnesses.

There was never any cover up, no hiding of evidence, nothing like any of that on the part of the football program in Gibbons' case.  No reasonable person has even claimed such a thing.  It was a kind of mass hysteria, to presume it.

MGoBender

August 2nd, 2018 at 2:30 PM ^

Well, that all seems right but Brady Hoke did likely lie when he talked about Gibbons' availability for the bowl game.  That might be acceptable under a "we don't discuss student matters" or what not perspective... but Brady didn't say that, he said he was hurt (I think? Memory is fading).

Section 1.8

August 2nd, 2018 at 3:18 PM ^

Hoke's comment to the press was pure incompetence.  Much of Hoke's interaction with the press was incompetence.

Remember Hoke saying that Gibbons was out for a "family" situation?  No doubt he was butchering whatever preparation he had been given, along the lines of, "Coach Hoke, the reason that you cannot confirm or deny anything at all about Brendan is because of the Family and Medical Leave Act.  It is known as FERPA.  It is a federal statute, in the U.S. Code, and it makes it illegal for us to comment or disclose publicly about Brendan's situation or his discipline..."

And Hoke turned that into, "a family situation."

And of course whoever within the University got ahold of the expulsion letter that Gibbons got, and leaked it to the Daily, violated FERPA and a handful of other state and federal laws.

814 East U

August 2nd, 2018 at 12:09 PM ^

There was the "Blue Wall" era under Bo and Lloyd where very little info leaked. M also has the FOIA problem (which Brian as written about). I believe the AD/Football Program has had so much turnover recently any culture of "I don't want to know" hasn't had enough time or opportunity to grow. For example, I believe M has had 3 ADs and 4 head football coaches (with varying staffs) since Mork has been in EL.

Ali G Bomaye

August 2nd, 2018 at 12:43 PM ^

Ultimately, it comes down to the head guy/guys.

Harbaugh has never, to my knowledge, had any whispers of this kind of thing. He kicked Logan Tuley-Tillman off the team for something (IMO) far less serious, despite that leaving a gaping void at tackle. He's never been accused of covering up for players' misdeeds or being light on punishment.

Even before the Zach Smith thing came to light, Meyer was known as the exact opposite. He covered up players' arrests and drug use so that they could play, and lo and behold, some of those players developed into world-class shitheads. Obviously nobody knew whether he would go so far as sweeping domestic abuse under the rug, but given his other incidents that had come to light, this latest course of action by Meyer isn't really that surprising.

If your job is to manage literally hundreds of people, with constant media attention, and rivals who are heavily invested in finding dirt on you, chances are that if you routinely push the boundaries, it's going to show up in some bad results here and there. Meyer did routinely push boundaries, and there are numerous incidents attesting to that fact (from minor to serious). Nothing similar has come to light with regard to Harbaugh's management of players and coaches, and in my opinion, that lack of smoke is a reasonably strong indication of a lack of fire.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

August 2nd, 2018 at 11:40 AM ^

What gets me is why the hell would you even shelter Zach Smith?  Jerry Sandusky was considered a pillar of the community.  Larry Nassar made MSU into a major hub of the US gymnastics program.  This is not to say it's excusable to shelter them, but at least you can see what those places were trying to protect and what their priorities were.

What the hell is Urban thinking, risking his job, career, program, and massive paychecks over some horseshit assistant coach that he keeps dragging around the country?

Ron Utah

August 2nd, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^

I think people are discounting the human element here. Urban has stated clearly that Earle Bruce was the closest relationship he had with anyone other than his father. Smith was a connection and perhaps even a way to feel faithful to that relationship. 

Just because Urban is a liar and enabler doesn’t mean he didn’t have genuine feelings for Smith, likely rooted in his relationship with Bruce. 

big john lives on 67

August 2nd, 2018 at 12:42 PM ^

This is a bridge too far. This is beyond Tommy Boy incompetence.  You don’t keep a guy like this around unless you are afraid of something. If Bruce could be fired for incompetence, you could fire Smith for abuse with no consequences - “until he gets help and is cured and can come back to the program.”  This goes beyond loyalty. 

 

Watching From Afar

August 2nd, 2018 at 11:40 AM ^

Same thing I have been saying to MSU friends since the Nassar thing about Hollis and Simon.

If they didn't know, at best they are ineffective leaders with no ground to stand on. If you lead an organization/University/sports team and no staffer reports something like this to you, then you have created an environment that espouses that ideal.

350 girls (or 1 wife in OSU's case) being sexually assaulted over 20+ years under the guise of medical treatment may not be directly your fault, but it is at least tangentially your responsibility to have systems/people in place willing to do the right thing. Doing the right thing SHOULD BE EASY.

The lacking understanding of this (seemingly) basic principle baffles me.