November 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^
You said it all, bro.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^
like bumble bees. Thats a snowflake
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^
our defense really REALLY fell apart. Coaching not great.
our offense, particularly OL was the worst I've ever seen. I can't imagine how FUNK should keep his job. Same for Borges.
It is true that we get the higher rated players than MSU but have not been able to coach them up recently. That really is on coaching development and play calling.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:38 PM ^
the defense to hold when the offense couldn't make a fucking first down?
The defense was fine, they wore down due to NO offense. They even got a critical TO, and the offense wasted the fuck out of it, going backwards and punting.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
Borges and Funk both have to go... The O-line is a trainwreck, and don't use the young excuse. Plenty of other teams do more with less. Devin has regressed - Borges is the QB coach. Borges play calling and schemes are awful. He doesn't play to his team's strength and his ability to prepare a gameplan is obviously flawed.
Hoke...his seat should be red hot right now. Taking care of Funk & Borges is the only way to save face at this point. This team is soft and that's on Hoke. Poor road performances abound and questionable game management at times. This team was not put in a position to win today.
Oh and everyone saying OSU hasn't played anyone, blah blah blah.... They look like world beaters when they should (them against Purdue - us against UConn, Akron, etc...). Urban will roll it up on us.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
I think multiple snowflakes threads ARE FUCKING STUPID!
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
I've kept my mouth shut all year. I have "trusted" in Hoke's decision to keep you around. But man, YOU FUCKING SUCK. Blame Funk while you're at it. You all suck on offense. You are just plain awful. I'm not saying bench Gardner or anyone, I'm saying FIRE BORGES. I will not watch a game til OSU. Season tickets are for sale. Call me an overractor but I have kept my mouth shut until now. We suck and I'm pissed.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:06 PM ^
ZERO touchdowns against MSU in over 2 years by Borges offense!
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:10 PM ^
not an over-reaction...these abysmal road performances has continued for 3 years now. at this point, the NBA excites me more than college football (shocked to say that myself)
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:23 PM ^
Well, see you in 2018. After that many seasons of 7-8 wins, even DB will have to see he screwed up. At least you would think so.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:41 PM ^
our twam needs to improve. They are playing like a bunch of twams. Thanks for pointing that out.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:01 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^
Who develops that personnel? MSU does not out recruit Michigan, so it is a matter of which coaching staff is developing their players. This is year three for Hoke's staff and they look worse than in year one.
November 2nd, 2013 at 10:10 PM ^
Gardner, Gallon, and Funchess were the three most talented offensive players in the game.
With the exception of those spots though, MSU has seemed to be able to develop their players better.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^
I'd want no part of this team. no identity, no consistency, terrible conference.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^
I'd say 55% Borges and 45% O-line. I put the majority on Borges because it is his offense to build and game plan. He needs to put together a game plan which maximizes the players he has. That being said, the performance of the O-line today was an utter failure.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^
Honestly, what gameplan could he have come up with given how putrid the OL was? He did what a lot of us wanted - go max-pro and throw deep - and still our OL was a sieve.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:38 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:44 PM ^
We have this line* because offensive line wasn't a high recruiting priority for Rodriguez, I assume because it didn't need to be to run his offense, just like it wasn't for Leach, say, or isn't now at Indiana. But I look at the total breakdowns in the interior of the line when we run a read option and I have trouble imagining how his offense would work with this particular set of upperclassmen. Where would be if he had stayed? Could this line run a spread?
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*I don't mean any disrespect to any players here--it's not their fault they're on the field before they're ready. I see the situation as very much like Navarre's freshman year, except that it involves three positions instead of just one. Navarre got a lot of crap but he had precisely zero culpability for the fact that he was the only feasible QB on the roster. It had nothing to do with any failure on the part of the staff to develop him, either. It was a recruiting meta-failure, much like this is.
And since we've already fired the people responsible, I don't think there's really much to be done but wait it out. Two years from now we'll be in good shape, unless we panic.
November 3rd, 2013 at 11:42 AM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:03 PM ^
Part of Hoke's motto is "we're going to be accountable." Okay. Who is going to be accountable? We just saw the worst Michigan offensive line performance of my lifetime (82 grad). Who is going to be accountable?
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:03 PM ^
Funk has to go, there is no question. Brandon needs to go out and get the best offensive line coach money can buy.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:03 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 PM ^
Yep, we had this conversation among a few other regulars on the board last week. Lots of UM fans in denial. It was all about lack of opponents or avoiding OSU or whatever.
Sparty has a system, recruits to it, and now like Wisconsin they dont need top 10 classes to do well. MSU recruits in the 30s/40s like Wisconsin but finds players that fit their system and most important DEVELOPS them. I can find very few players that have gotten demonstrably better in Hoke's tenure. The pit in my stomach is this is Carr 2.0 again. We will always recruit good enough to have 3-4 loss seasons but our coaching at the position level seems to be very average. MSU does more with way less.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:33 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^
Since our running game is TERRIBLE anyway, why not put a FB or RB in who can help block in pass protection. Fitz is an ok runner, but Fitz has consistenly been destroyed in PASS Pro...and not just today against MSU. Every week Fitz throws look out blocks. Since the O-Line is so bad, why not put in a RB who is better at Pass Pro than Fitz. Now I know why V Smith always came in for Fitz on 3rd downs...I hoped that Fitz would learn from that. Having said all that, Fitz is only 1 of MANY blocking problems. It's not all on Fitz...it's on our O-Line, Borges, and Funk. You gotta put the players into positions to succeed. Our schemes suck. FML.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:25 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^
Emabarrasing, they were chanting "little sister" at the end of the game. Lol.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^
Brady Hoke is an embarassment to the University. Time to hire the best available coach out there, not just a "Michigan Man." If you don't need to be a Michigan Man to be a fan then you certainly don't need to be one to be a coach.
I want a leader, somebody with ingenunity. Somebody that actually has some sort of tangible control over what occurs during the game. Brady Hoke is not that man.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^
Funk needs to be replaced and Borges needs to learn how to adjust during the game and diversify out of that 3 wide set he ran all damn day to no avail.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^
I will return Tuesday or so as I expect this place to be a sh*tstorm the next 48 hours but will just say other than a moderately better defense this looked like 2010's Rich Rod's team. Unable to do anything against a good defense, completely reliant on a Superman QB or else there is no offense, underwhelming physical nature and out coached. Hoke had 2011 but other than that the team has not made significant strides versus the 2010 team other than some upgrades on defense from awful to average. We had 2 weeks to prepare and could not manage a TD. Indiana put up 28. This program has not really progressed for 3 years.
Really doesnt matter what happens the rest of the year - like ND (ex their magic of 2012) these are 2 dinosaur programs of the Midwest relying on their laurels and pretenders. 2014 we go to EL with an even younger OL. Wisconsin and MSU right now are above us... by a good measure.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^
...you want to criticize Hoke & Co. for not recruiting more OLs in '09-'11 (yes, I realize Hoke came in at the tail end of '11), I'm not sure what you bitch about here with the exception of maybe a few calls here or there.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:36 PM ^
Nice straw man argument you've got going there.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 PM ^
Fucking a...what do you people want Borges to do? He tried spread concepts, deep balls, short passes...nothing worked consistently. Because everything they ran was blown up within the first 3 seconds at least 3/4th of the time.
THIS ISN'T TO SAY BORGES DESERVES NO BLAME.
But seriously...that was some of the worst Oline blocking I have EVER seen in a football game. Funk will probably need to go, honestly. I know they're inexperienced players, and I know they played the best defense in the country...but holy crap was that awful.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:27 PM ^
FUNK IS FINISHED
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^
HIRE MIKE HART