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- Wheatley Jr
- If not Wheatley maybe another DE ala Bates
|3 hours 28 min ago||Not one bball question||
Not one bball question above. Telling.
|14 hours 39 min ago||Didn't all 3 assistants leave||
Didn't all 3 assistants leave in the same time frame? What is the myth I am missing. Generally when your entire staff leaves within a period of months it's cleaning house. Did theyy all indepedently decide it was time to move on?
Jerry Dunn, John Mahoney both left in April 2010 per this story - Jackson later that year.
In the corporate world "pursue other opportunities" and "want to spend more time with my family" is how CEOs are let go in face saving measures. So it appears 2 of the 3 were "gently pushed" out the door - Jackson shortly after decided to move on to Purdue. Maybe Beilein wanted to keep him and "was pissed" - I don't know enough about it but I'd say 2 of the 3 were let go.
|14 hours 41 min ago||Jim Mora Jr is doing some||
Jim Mora Jr is doing some very impressive things out there at UCLA. They had a lot of freshman starting on OL and still acquitted themselves pretty well - their losses were generally teams they should have lost to and they went into a place like Nebraska and blasted them off the field. They also got the QB we were going after unfortunately earlier this year. That said I am not sure how long he will be there with the NFL calling.
Obviously I have no idea on KLS - it just seems like its going to be difficult to have him come all the way out here when he has 2 suitors a lot closer. We'll see.
|15 hours 21 min ago||Overall these seem like the||
Overall these seem like the most likely candidates to finish out 2015 - I am putting them in order of likeliness (guessing)
I am assuing Thompson is going to MSU per some smoke on MSU boards and these comments today. And KLS is staying out west with Harris headed to OSU.
That would be a pretty phenomenal class considering an 8th place Big 10 finish. Lewis at 6'1 over Crawford at 5'9ish would be IMO an upgrade and major stick save.
Anyone else to put in that list as a >50% chance?
|15 hours 29 min ago||Obviously. We have 2 good||
Obviously. We have 2 good men in charge of our 2 major sports programs. That said he needs to take the Beilein jump, after Beilein emptied his staff and started anew a few years in - from there the bball program took off. No one doubts Hoke's values or integrity. But being realistic he needs to do better with on the field results. It's hard not to root for the guy even if you are not impressed with what the team looked like last year. I hope - like Beilein's teams - whatever the record is this year, the team looks far better from November vs September as it has a lot of players at that age (3 years in the program) where a lot of things that made their head swim earlier go away and they can just play and react.
I'd also say in light of the on field results the staff is recruiting at a fantastic level. As Ace said who knows what Manning is like as a secondary coach but he seems to have filled that role from our coach from the DL who went to Oklahoma perfectly.
|15 hours 48 min ago||Brent Petway says that's||
Brent Petway says that's pretty cool for a young dude.
|15 hours 54 min ago||Well he will have some||
Well he will have some challenges in college with weight then - reports are he is already 260ish.
|15 hours 56 min ago||The automotive industry pays||
The automotive industry pays its white collar a lot more than most industries. Obviously it cannot compete with Silcon Valley, Wall Street etc but plenty of UM grads go to those areas to work as well and I think unless you exclude a few locales the state of Michigan actually does very well for the white collar workers. Until this downturn in 2008, Oakland County was the 3rd or 4th richest per capita in the country. Northern VA has become the new darling due to all the money coming out of DC and so many companies relocating there and the lobbyist industry explosion but the typical Michigan white collar actually does quite well, and when adjust for cost of living even better. So I guess I buy your argument versus NYU, Harvard, Boston College, and maybe Virginia and USC but its a bit of a generalization.
Even in the public service arena people have it pretty good here. Teachers in Michigan are about 4th in the country behind Alaska, New York and one other - I know people who go to North Carolina to teach and are shocked at how much lower wages are.
|16 hours 3 min ago||Is UCLA considered the||
Is UCLA considered the "whisper" leader with KLS?
|16 hours 4 min ago||Yep. With you on the out of||
Yep. With you on the out of state 18 months ahead of NSD signings. This is about when George Campbell committed a year ago no?
|16 hours 7 min ago||He looks young... too soon?||
He looks young...
|16 hours 35 min ago||Top 2 would be an OLB and a||
Top 2 would be an OLB and a DE. After that it's pretty open. Lewis would replace our friend who went to Notre Dame.
If Thompson and Roseboro commit that would fill those 2 spots. Roseboro seems more likely while Thompson is either MSU or UM it seems.
Outside of that there is 1 slot devoted to a RB, seems like Weber is the focus now with Harris likely going to OSU. (I guess Kentucky in theory too)
Tyrone Wheatley Jr seems to be the other "reserved" slot, most likely as a DE as his size is getting too large for TE.
So that would be 4-5 slots and then you probably have room for 1-2 more out of attrition but I dont know where they'd target those. It won't be a QB, or DT. Cole just filled the WR spot and we are really not favorites for other WRs at this point. I assume if KLS were interested they'd take another DE but I am not that optimistic he is leaving the west coast and I don't know if you take Roseboro, Wheatley and KLS. If Thompson goes MSU I am not sure who are other OLB options are.
|16 hours 44 min ago||Which is why I am not getting||
Which is why I am not getting high on any belief Harris is coming back. I am sure UM is still in his top 3 but once you "break up" like that it is difficult to go back.
As for the top 3, well i was hoping he would commit immediately. It will be interesting to see if UM is #1 right now due to recency bias or if its legit.
|16 hours 46 min ago||Not worried - no one BBQs||
Not worried - no one BBQs like Hoke, especially not in South Beach or Eugene.
|16 hours 48 min ago||I once had that issue too -||
I once had that issue too - but I suggest grabbing a Choabani and just start threads. ;) Once you get one out of the way the downvotes for non perfection go away. The yogurt helps the pain go away.
|16 hours 54 min ago||Seatbelt watch||
|18 hours 13 min ago||In case you were wondering||
In case you were wondering Pelini confirms cat did make road trip to Chicago. Sleeping in hotel room.
|18 hours 20 min ago||Our secondary is not easily||
Our secondary is not easily the best. We don't even know who 1 of our secondary starters will be. We do have a lot of experience starting and I think it's going to be top 3 in the league but cmon, MSU has 2 of their 4 guys mocking in the 1st/2nd round of the NFL draft from the secondary (Drummond Waynes) so calling ours easily the best is a major reach.
You could point to say the LB crew and say that is the best unit in the conf but the secondary is a reach.
|18 hours 25 min ago||UConn was not a surprisingly||
UConn was not a surprisingly talented underrated team . They were horrid. They lost to TOWNSON TIGERS at home 33-18 a few weeks before UM showed up! They lost to Buffalo the next week 41-12!
|18 hours 31 min ago||Anytime I feel like the OP I||
Anytime I feel like the OP I just turn on the spring game... works like a charm to get me back to reality. ;)
I will feel like the OP 12 months from now. If Shane is legit and this year doesnt go haywire i.e. the team improves throughout the year even if it means some losses, I think the groundwork is being laid (with an easy schedule) for a 1 loss type of year in 2015.
2014 though? Not so optimistic in record - I am looking forward to seeing if all these young players flash and look like a better squad in November v September.
|18 hours 35 min ago||Agree 100% - I am not that||
Agree 100% - I am not that worried about the W/L this year due to the OL issues. But the team needs to look well coached and playing at a higher level in Nov then Sep even if that means losses due to the higher competition late in the year. You see that in basketball every year now - we never feel "cheated" in terms of thinking the bball team is playing near the top of their potential. You do feel that with the football program and that needs to change even if it means a 8-4 year.
|18 hours 37 min ago||Agree generally. Hoke is no||
Agree generally. Hoke is no sure thing. He appears to be a CEO coach who requires great coordinators. Also it's not all about Hoke. Position coaching IMO is the most underrated part of CFB. I have a full confidence at this point in maybe 2 of the position coaches as anywhere near elite (and I am being generous on Manning as 1 of them due to his recruiting prowess). Outside of WRs and LBs the past few years I don't think any unit has reached anywhere near its potential and that is more on position coaches than the HC (granted Hoke was a DL position coach as well) All the work that happens between Sunday and Friday is what makes Saturday happen.
With all that said with the way Hoke is recruiting I am confidant this program will return to a Lloyd Carr type of era as its floor. Thay would be a lot of 3-4 loss seasons and some griping by the fan base of untouched potential. But aside from his age that was one of the reasons many wanted Carr to go - there seemed to be 1-2 losses almost every year that made you scratch your head and when you look at the NFL talent we did develop it seemed like the sum of the parts was less than the individual parts most years under Carr. So I think Hoke has recruited to the point we return to the Carr era starting in 2015 as a base. But what is the ceiling under Hoke? Can he be a Stoops level guy that gets us to a playoff game say once every 3 years? And "BCS type" bowls almost every year? Will he show us he can be elite and get us to 11-12 wins more years than not. I think that is the question from here. Especially with OSU running a machine and MSU now churning out 3 out of 4 seasons of 11 wins - it smacks of low expectations when people here are cool with 8-4 when our in state rival with worse facilities, finances, etc now has 10 wins as their expected floor.
2015 will tell me a lot about the state of the program - if there is "only" a 10 win season with how stacked the schedule is in our favor and all the talent returning, it tells me we are just back to where we were with Carr and we'd should expect a lot of 3-4 loss seasons rather than reaching the next rung up in the ladder when in any general year your team is viewed as a legit contender for top 5 in the country as OSU is now viewed. The schedule will be tough every even year so if Hoke cannot make hay with the off year schedules (esp 2015 which is the easiest we will have in a decade) and get to 11+ wins, we just have returned to where we started in this whole mess.
|18 hours 55 min ago||I've actually seen it couched||
I've actually seen it couched as a conspiracy many times on these boards the past few years. So when you say no one says it was a conspiracy I'd disagree. I'd lose count of the times I read Hollis demanded 2 home games in a row or he'd walk and take MSU to the west division, and DB buckled to that.
|18 hours 59 min ago||So all this talk of Hollis||
So all this talk of Hollis strong arming DB into 2 games at home in a row in return for being in the division was just an internet meme? I've seen it so many times on this board and a few others you'd think it was reality...
|19 hours 2 min ago||Overall I like your comment.||
Overall I like your comment. The defense in that era along with a "fancy offense" that did cool things against weak to average teams than got steamrolled by nearly every competent defense was bad. So even RR's strong point (offense) was not a good thing once the competition came around. That surprised me - because his WVU offenses were pretty spectacular. That said RR never had a RB like he had at his height at WVU here - if you put an elite RB behind a Denard it would have been a lot more interesting offense.
Not a RR fanboy but I'd like to point out IMOo Hoke is afforded MANY advantages RR did not get; especially in budget. He is walking around with 2 coordinators making close to a million each. RR couldnt get the budget to sign an average market rate DC. How would RR done if he was afforded a million to hire coordinators? (well he didnt need one offensively but you get the point) That was unfair to him.
Your most important comment was about recruiting. RR laid the seeds for ANY coach's demise in 2012-2013. The OL in 2012 had 2 very good players and 3 meh upperclassmen and then 2013 was just horrid due to things like recruiting 5 WRs in 1 class and 2 OL. But if Lombardi had been coaching those issues would be there. That said even with those disadvantages I think an elite coach finds a way to win more in 2013 and make the wins we did have (Akron, UConn, Northwestern) not look so bad. And the awful non competitive performance at KSU would not have happened.
Earlier up the thread I do want to say the "8-4 is cool" ethos around here is troubling. I hope that is a 1 year situation due to the youth on offense and not people's expectations. Our friends in EL have put together 3 years out of 4 of 11+ wins. Double digit wins should be an expectation from 2015 forward with the type of talent coming in and the relative weakness of the Big 10. In any year you are going to play 2 bottom dwellars in the Big 10 and 3 bad to average non conf teams so that is 5 wins a year. Getting to 10 wins then requires a 5-3 record against teams with a heartbeat. If you cannot do that with the talent coming in, brand, facilities, salaries of your coordinators etc you dont deserve to be coach at UM long term. Go 5-3 or 6-2 annually versus teams with a heartbeat ... this is Michigan fergodsakes. And yes i get some years there will be a major injury or just a bad season but double digit win seasons should be the floor for a program of this caliber spending this type of money on the program.
|1 day 11 hours ago||First the myth of MSU and||
First the myth of MSU and Wisconsin almost exclusively getting 3 stars is just that. It's a myth. They have 4 stars they redshirt too.
Second the myth that UM is rolling out a bunch of 5 stars and 4 stars predominantly is also that. This class we are currently on is really good and avoiding most 3 stars but I did a review of the last 4 classes (prior to 2014) and we had over 50% 3 stars. Here is a post I did showing 56% of UM's last 4 classes (2010 thru 2013) are 3 stars.
That said Wiscy and MSU (under Dantonio) build depth by RS'd almost everyone. I know MSU's classes a lot better being in state but someone like Malik or Burbridge or LT they do play. Just like our high 4s/5s do. (We only have four 5s by the way and one was Kalis who didnt play as a freshman) They RS almost everyone else - and some of those are 4s. I assume Wiscy does a very similar policy.
To do this you need someone to bite the bullet early to build the depth - you really have to essentially sacrifice a year or two to get away with this because usually when a coach shows up to a program like those the team will be bad and the pressure to win to keep the job is high so they play underclassmen early even if not ready since the upperclassmen are probably not so great. So Alvarez and Dantonio both did that and now have a system in place.
I think the difference is expectation of the players - when I look at the depth charts of OSU and UM if you exclude the lines there are lot of guys without RSs on them. I think the average guy coming to these schools expect to compete right away. Most don't want to RS and most come in more touted than a guy from Wiscy or MSU. Even if its not necessarily the best thing. A lot more players at OSU and UM are in the program only in 4 years than Wisconsin and MSU. Those latter 2 schools smartly have gone the route that they get slighty worse recruits but a 21 year old high 3 star/low 4 star is going to compete very well versus a mid to high 4 star 19 year old. Obviously it is more complicated than that (you need good coaching and good system). Which both programs now have.
So this helps alleviate the difference in "talent" out of HS not to mention the fact that the difference between a high 3 and a low 4 is neglible. Player # 218 in the country and #305...well that's just a guess and doesn't mean squat IMO.
|1 day 12 hours ago||Smell of BBQ wafted over to||
Smell of BBQ wafted over to baseball diamond... works every time.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Yes on 1 service its the 3rd||
Yes on 1 service its the 3rd best average star rating (that includes a kicker in a small class dragging it down) and on a 2nd service its the 5th best. So the folksy charm offensive continues to work. In light of on field results for 2 years the recruiting has been very very good.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Damnit! Taylor's hat is not||
Damnit! Taylor's hat is not Michigan! Decommit watch ! Taylor is going to follow his dreams to play center for the San Jose Sharks!
|1 day 19 hours ago||Funchess is projected in most||
Funchess is projected in most mock drafts late in the 1st to early in the 2nd. Generally you are going to go if you are projected there. Same for Calhoun and Waynes at MSU. I'd be surprised if any of those 3 return for their senior years.
Chesson is just my opinion not any sort of general view. He probably could be the best blocking WR in UM history by senior year if early returns are any indication but I was expecting more speed out of him last year based on the reviews. He also looked pretty lost until the last 2-3 games... maybe that has to do with his lack of experience. Obviously that can change in any 12 month period but considering Darboh was projected ahead of him 12 months ago and Canteen is talked ahead of him with just a few months on campus his ceiling seems lower.