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i find this extremely interesting
i may have altered the title
i thought this was america
like I said on twitter: that was almost as intense as Iowa NIT games
...talks about how UConn hasn't been in contact and how they're out. (HT: UMHoops)
Jalen, Burke, and Simmons.
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just what the Pistons need: a third string center. Joe Dumars was replaced by a mean ol' alien a few years back you guys.
this would be a close approximation of hypothetical graduation speech
no you guys they're just super pumped about COLLLLLLLLLLLLEGE
not a surprise
premature congrats. One thing we can be sure of: he'll take fewer asinine penalties than Abdelkader
Thanks to ugly transitions between Fulmer/Kiffin/Dooley/Davis, Tennessee is on the edge of APR penalties for football.
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Drew Sharp would've already had a 10,000 word essay written about the evils of the Michigan football program and their "win at all costs" mentality.
In fact, I'm not so sure he doesn't have it saved on his desktop mad-libs style just in case.
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Hail to the Victors
In a separate thread from yesterday. But apparently that thread has been deleted because I cannot find it.
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Because (a) OT, and (b) subjecting this guy to the kind of mockery that ensued was beneath this website.
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All Dantonio bashing aside, this just doesn't look good. Injuries are a quagmire on all levels of sports. Whether it's Lane Kiffin avoiding the media at all costs to keep injury reports in house, or the NHL's laughable lower-body/upper-body injury report, teams do everything they can to keep injuries a mystery.
Resuming Dantonio bashing: This goes beyond that. This appears to be a clear example of the coaching staff/medical staff ignoring concussion protocol. It brings up more questions. What is the NCAA policy for concussion testing? Particularly in-game testing? Would the Big Ten or NCAA be able to review this occurrence and hand out a possible punishment?
Going further, I don't think this will reflect poorly on Dantonio unless it gains major steam in big media outlets. If ESPN picks up the story and blows it out of the water, then maybe Dantonio will catch flak for it. Outside of bickering Michigan fans, I don't think MSU and the coaching staff is going to get a lot of heat for this.
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Why the confidence that these sideline tests are so unimpeachable?
We don't know anything about anything with regards to concussions. Why is anyone so sure that these tests would never fail to detect a concussion?
Personally, I suspect Gholston passed the tests or else he wouldn't have been back on the field. I just don't think passing the tests, in light of the possibility that he was knocked out, should be sufficient to get him back on the field.
But, the way the system appears to be now, a doc who does not know what happened on the field or is beholden to the player for that information can administer some tests and if the player passes he can inform the coaches that he is cleared to play.
I think the system is at fault and MSU's coaching tree for it's blind adherence to the letter of the regulations. Unfortunately, that is often how bureaucracies function.
This is exactly why it is important to question MSU about if Gholston lost consciousness. To me, someone who has had several concussions, 'stunned' sounds like one of the many euphamisms for a concussion.
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Granted, there are reasonable explanations as to other things occupying him at the time, but I might be a little mifffed if my team's head coach took that long to check on an injured player.
Trying to play Devil's advocate here....
There seems to be no outrage or guilt from Mark D', and the Internets (invented by Al Gore) have only a small amount of damnation for him and MSU. Major news outlets like ESPN and SI aren't going all haywire on this. I think its been mentioned, but no reporter -- and we know, those reporters love to tear down programs, not just Drew Sharp -- aren't exploding with condemnation. Obvious, we see this through Maize-colored glasses, and are wont to immediately assume the worst about Mark D'.
So, maybe WE are the ones overreacting? I just want to raise the point. Mental exercise, if you will. Step outside the box. Let's ask the question -- are we overreacting -- what are we missing?
Yeah, well, I've been asking and thinking, but a 300+ lb. guy lying flat on his back 30 seconds without moving, after having his helmet visibly crushed... ok, I got nothing.
No, we arent. WTF is Mark D' so non-reactive to this?
You raise good questions, I think. It seems to me that where our society is right now as far as concussions is where we were in, say, 1970 (if I have my history right) when it came to smoking. There was a lot of publicly-available knowledge in 1970 that smoking caused cancer, but most people didn't live their lives accordingly. I think the same is true with concussions right now. Kirk Herbstreit, for example, probably knows at some level that it's a bad thing to put a guy with a concussion back in a game, but he also doesn't think much of it when it happens. Putting such a player back into a game will probably become widely viewed as outrageous in the near future, but it obviously isn't yet...The admittedly self-serving other side of this coin is that this blog is ahead of the curve on this issue. I remember several concussion-related discussions here that had nothing to do with MSU or any other rival, so I feel safe in saying that a lot of people who read this blog care about the issue regardless of whether it has anything to do with any paricular school.
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Any time I still hear the phrase "got his bell rung" I know that the commentor doesn't treat concussions as serious injuries. These are not Hoke's "boo boos" you want to play through. Football players need to separate "toughing" through body injuries and "risking major brain issues" by playing through brain injuries.
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are missing the obvious here. Gholston just "hulked up" and everything was all good. Did you not see the Hulkster kick out at 2 after Savage dropped the big elbow, or after Earthquake delivered an Earthquake. If he hulked up it's all good.
Perhaps he was pining for the fields.
It's fjords, but whatever.
Beautiful bird, the Norweigan Blue.
A misconception I have held since I was 12.
Also, I was glad to finally learn that it was "rev'd up like a deuce" not a . . . never mind.
and subsequent (long) slumber was freaking scary. The staff should have taken away his helmet and told him to grab pine for the rest of the game. Maybe Dantonio "didn't know" he was knocked out, but it is his job to know things like that and to draw hard lines for the health of his players.
As a fan and alum, I'd be pissed if Michigan did not do this for one of its players on a similar hit/loss of consciousness, regardless of the player or game.
Myabe he was stunned that Gholston and Will Campbell have the same number of sacks. 1
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First off, on "Stunned" there is a common football injury called a "stinger" which may be what he meant. Stingers are caused by hits to the top of the shoulder/collarbone area and they hit a nerve that makes a good chunk of your arm numb. Think of it as a funny-bone but further up your arm.
Secondly, I recall while watching the game that someone on the sideline had a flashlight in hand, apparently ready to do a concussion test. It is quite possible (not plausible) that Gholston was hit, scared, froze a bit, realized that he was OK, came to the sidelines, passed a concussion test, and missed all of 1 play. I doubt it, and I would not have let him play at all, but that's just me.
IMHO the conference needs to step in. There should be B1G (or NCAA) employees (including a neuologist if possible, at least a doctor) at every game as a "Head Injury Crew". One member sits in the booth with replays to see if there is a possible head injury on the field. If so the player is immediately taken off the field and his helmet is taken (can't go back in without a helmet). This independent medical team should check for concussions/other head trauma, and only when THEY are satisfied the player should be given back his helmet and allowed to return to the field.
Take the onus off the coaches/trainers. Head injuries are different. Football players (athletes in general) have the "toughness" quotient to worry about and they want to help their teams. No one will die on the field because they're toughing it through an ankle sprain. Someone can and will die on the field due to a head injury if it's not diagnosed and they're removed from contact.
I played a lot of football (high school and college). I had plenty of stingers. You don't do that with a stinger.
Also, you don't just lay on the ground "scared and frozen" either, especially if you are an "All-American".
I know you are trying to play devil's advocate, I'm just saying those two theories don't pass the logic test.
I was knocked unconcious momentarily in a scrimmage before my senior year of high school (wow, almost 10 years now?! yikes!). My helmet was off and I was not allowed back on the field the rest of the day. That is what responsible adults do.
Marky D is just like most of college football - he is a power hungry man who will do whatever it takes to win. He does not truly care about these kids, they are just a tool to elevate his status and make more money. This is why I like Hoke so much, he truly cares about his players on AND MORE IMPORTANTLY off the field.
and yeah, totally devil's advocate. I've had 1 concussion (hockey soph year of high school) and was out a week until the headaches went away. No questions asked, just done until I didn't have a headache.
Your latter point about the conflict of interest (kid's health vs. coach's/team's success) is why I think concussions need to be treated like a totally separate situation and dealt with by a non-partisan, non-competitive entity.
The only option is to have B1G paid MDs at each game who are unbiased.
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
at the end of my big post above. Either B1G or NCAA paid MDs/ a whole "head injury team" with an MD, and a couple trainers/nurses, at least one of whom is in the replay booth so that they can see method-of-injury.
Didn't that turn out to be exactly what happened to Pipkins a few weeks ago though?
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It's really saying something about Dantonio and the MSU AD when Mgoblog is more concerned about Gholston's safety.
I can't even pretend to have any concern for that kid. Had he broken Denards neck last year - which he obviously tried to do and it is the only explaination for him twisting off Denards helmet while he was already down - would we have any concern for him at all? No. I don't have any concern for him now. Let his brain be bludgeoned into mush for all I care. Fuck those eye gouging, helmet twisting, finger breaking, engineering student beatdowning pieces of shit in East Lansing. There is literally nothing that could happen to those players that would make me have the slightest bit of sympathy for them. Pride comes before the whatever the fuck that moron says when he isn't teaching young men to be boys between the lines.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
I don't necessarily agree with your whole post, but I agree with the Fuck State sentiment. Especially now that ND is out of my life, I need to focus that hate on someone else, and Sparty will be it, for now. Fuck 'em. I hope we beat them by 50 and Jake Ryan fucks Gholston's girlfriend, all in the same night.
This and some of the original. Do I care one personal fuck about the KID? Nope. Do I wish him harm for playing dirty? No. The fact remains that EL and that "school" (my local community college rivals it academic-wise) is a dirty dirty rotten whore. Just filthy.
Could this be it? Could this be the post that mercifully forces the hand of the banhammer?
I've been here for a while, man. I write what I believe and more than half the time you all hate it and get all twisted about it. I still don't care. It's my opinion. You act as if you can't avoid it.
It's all hashed out down below.
Weird step down of the post threads here, but crisis averted.
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Yeah, he did that to Denard, but he's still a human person - and a college student. I don't care who he plays for or what he did - he is a person and a 20-year-old kid first. Take this shit elsewhere. The faster the better.
Tread very, VERY lightly.
Why? I've got nothing for the kid. Wouldn't hire him. Can't win with him.,. Can't coach him... Can't do it.
I don't know if you know how to differentiate between being a human being and cheering for a SPORTS TEAM. This isn't about "win with him" or "wouldn't hire him" or "I've got nothing for him." This is about a PERSON and whether or not he has suffered a severe, life-altering injury.
"Let his brain be bludgeoned into mush for all I care?"
Walk. The fuck. Away.
LOL. It's all good, big guy. I guess I will tread lightly around your lofty internet presence. OOOOHHHH a new BLACKHAMS is up. Want to meet me over there so you can chill out?
Brian made clear on the front page that anyone saying "good" regarding this whole things has been, and will continue to be, banhammered. Saying, "I don't care, and they had it coming" is really close to that line.
Hadn't read that part. Been away for a few days. FTR - I never said they had it coming. I respect the leaders wishes and what not. I didn't know it turned into a big thing already. Cheers.
This is pretty straightforward: Dantonio either lied in the postgame or lied today or lied both times.
Come on guys Dantonio stayed at a Holiday Inn the night before the game..who needs medical staffs.
With the way Gholston was acting toward the trainers as he walked off the field I would not be a bit surprised if he lied to everyone on the sideline and told them "I had the wind knocked out of me"
Which is why trainers and medical staff need to do a little more thorough evaluation rather than just take a guys word for it. Football players are macho guys and never want to admit they are hurt, it's up to medical personnel to interrogate and assess to make sure everything is OK. Dantonio characterizing Gholston as being "stunned" is a disturbing admission that falls short of he was never unconscious.
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This is off topic for this thread, but is there/could there be a wallpaper for the Purdue game?
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over who plays because of injury? Do their sideline tests matter? They answer to their boss and if the head coach is unhappy with them, he can just get another medical staff.
" there is no sideline test that would clear him to play. "
That they let Gholston get up after that collision. I was expecting him to be at least mobilized on the field at the time of the incident. You sure don't want to mess around with someones neck or spine after the hit he took.
from stun to kill. (Too low tech to post a video.)
"I don't know how anyone can watch the video and not think that Gholston was anything other than knocked out cold, for at least 30 seconds."
It also seems to me in the YouTube clip of this hit that he's a little more than stunned. One of the officials tapped him on the back, and a few players look like they try to mention somehow that the play is now over and Gholston doesn't move at all for an eerie amount of time. Indeed, when the trainers get to him, he still appears to be motionless, and by then about 20 seconds or so have elapsed. I am not a physician, but he really looked like someone who was out cold and should not have seen the field again.
In any event, it is interesting that Dantonio should apparently use "stunned", being that one of its primary usages is "to knock unconscious" basically. I didn't understand why he was put back in and I still don't - they didn't show much of the sideline activity, but you would hope that staff would be all over him after that and taken his helmet.
You would also definitely hope that, even if Gholston was saying he was OK once he was at least aware again, that they would be checking him out anyway, especially after an extremely brutal hit like that - that's not a situation where you should just take the player's word for it, I would think. If it is ever discovered for certain that Gholston was cleared to play when he should not have been (and after that hit, just the way it looked and the aftermath, my non-medical opinion is that he should have sat and been tested), I would hope all hell would break loose inside at least the Spartan medical staff - that's playing with lives.
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