OT: Carroll- would have never left USC for NFL had he known sanctions were coming
Yeah... right....
Since we are on the subject of deniers like Roy Williams, I saw this gem on ESPN where Carroll is clearing the air about how he was going to fix any sanctions that happened to USC, he just could not turn down the NFL that particular time. This guy sucks so bad. I found his reference of "not having anything to get us with" interesting since something was going on.
"The truth was, an opportunity came up and it was one I couldn't turn away from," Carroll told the Times. "... The NCAA came back at the university ... 'Now we're going to revisit after five years.' I had no knowledge that was coming. We thought maybe it wasn't coming because they didn't have anything to get us with. It wasn't five days, it wasn't five weeks. It was five years. Had we known that that was imminent ... I would never have been able to leave under those circumstances. When I look back now, I would have stayed there to do what we needed to do to resolve the problem."
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/college-football/story/_/id/11053716/pet…
Nobody f***s with the Carroll
everyone else thought it was coming . . .
Reggie Bush was the only guy who was tainted. The rest of the program was squeaky like a window pane after a thorough Windexing from Mother Teresa.
In the words of the 90's - Pssssyyyyche!
BTW, I recall using the Pssssyyyyche in the 70s.
I'll never cheer for a "Pete the Cheat" team.
What lies.
Is that an actual quote from Einstein or one of the millions misattributed to him? I mean, I agree, but it's like people forget Einstein was a physicist and not an expert philosopher on ethics. Einstein was not the epitome of a virtuous person.
Here's one random article when you google his personal life: http://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/26/10-strange-facts-about-einstein/#!W…
Abe!"- Pete Carroll
I am so happy he was able to clear the air on this, since before this happened I thought he was a total fake and a slimy cheater. But now that he's assured us that he's none of those things, I think I should send him a box of candy or something.
Some guys can lie with such fluidity that it almost seems like truth even when the lie is desperatley obvoius to everyone in the room. Using pols as examples because we all know who they are I'll say Bill Clinton and Mitt Romney both fit. That said, all pols need to lie at least a little to survive. G.W. Bush and Obama are shitty liers. Both clearly have a tough time when they know they're serving up a plate-o-shit. I'll put Carroll with Bill and Mitt.
...because, you know, in retrospect the charges against USC do seem to have been trumped up...so I almost do believe Carroll on this.
Also, although the news reports may make it seem obvious to us as fans, someone like Carroll (who is actually involved in the situation) has access to different info at the time. But whatever, it's all water under the bridge now.
I think I get where you're coming from, but in my mind it's not so much that the NCAA trumped up the charges against USC as USC made the "mistake" of actually taking the charges seriously. On one hand, USC's overall administration ultimately took the Bush matter seriously, and they paid a big penalty for doing so. In that sense, USC was similar to Michigan.
On the other hand, the underlying violation with Bush was pretty damn serious. In that sense, USC was vastly dissimilar to Michigan (at least on the football side - on the Ed Martin side it's not the worst parallel). Charges of players being paid to play, when it appears to be just that, are a pretty big deal.
For all of that, Carroll himself seems like a shady character, and a skilled con man to boot. USC's administration may have taken the cheating allegations seriously, but Carroll seemed to tap dance his way right out of the NCAA's gun sights, a la Calipari.
I remember USC continually stonewalling the investigation and getting hit hard as a result. Then Mike Garrett saying the NCAA was jealous, "they wish they all were Trojans". There were probably the least cooperative institution ever.
I had forgotten about the initial stonewalling, and appreciate you bringing it up. It helps me support my fan-based disdain for USC. Plus 1 to you, good sir.
It might have been better for me to say that "when absolutley forced to, USC eventually (and at many levels grudgingly) did the right thing." Which is not similar to the UofM reaction to Stretchgate.
But we're agreed that Carroll seems like a slippery jackass, right?
wasn't thinking of Pete's weasel-like features. I'm sure Pat Haden and USC are happy that he's speaking out now and showing not the faintest idea that they might have canned him.
That he wanted to leave to avoid the impact impending sanctions or that he would have stayed for the sheer challenge/pleasure of enduring impending sanctions?
Monkeys just flew out of my butt..
Chip Kelly believes him.
"Had we known that that was imminent … I would never have been able to leave under those circumstances." - Pete Carroll
I have a vague feeling that, had he not left the program at such a terribly convenient moment, Pat Haden might have needed to find a way - under pressure perhaps - to create an exit for Carroll even if he felt as he claims and believes that Caroll "did a lot of things incredibly well". Of course, Carroll's job prospects for the future might have been altered in such a scenario, so it stands as one of the best-timed coaching jumps in recent history.
when it read the comment from pete c. it hit the max-far-edge-of-b.s. so hard the needle broke.
Buuullllshiiiiitt
I am so fucking sick of hearing people in charge of things - sports, politics, corporations, you name it - claim they didn't know about the shit that went on in their organization. Maybe it's just my military background and in the civilian world it's OK to be in charge of something and be totally clueless about what's happening to it. I dunno. Someone tell me if that's how things actually are supposed to be.
Fire enough assholes for cluelessness and eventually some of them start getting the idea that they should get a handle on things. Unfortunately, college football coaches are set up with the exact opposite incentive.
That's right up there with "The check is in the mail," "Honey, I'll respect you in the morning," "Honest, I don't have herpes," and "Trust me, I won't come in your mouth."
Oh yeah. Absolutely. Carroll definitely seems like the type of guy who would stick around on a sinking ship through the rough go.
He knew what was going on; it's why he bolted for (at the time) mediocre NFL option in Seattle when he did. I'm not going to hate on him because he did what was best for him, but this post hoc rationalization by him drives me crazy.
Remember that guys like Carroll spend most of their days interacting with kids under 25 who are good at hitting, running and throwing, and may not generally be particularly good at reasoning. You live in a fishbowl long enough, you start thinking the universe is that way, and you think the dumb shit you say that sails with football players will sail equally well with everyone else.
This may be the biggest heaping load of steaming bullshit I've ever heard uttered by a major sports coach in my lifetime. What a total fucking douchebag. And people wonder why Harbaugh hates his guts?
What an asshole.
and you can fertilize the lawn." -Jeanie Bueller
"they didn't have anything to get us with"
That's a really interesting choice of words. Not "we did not do anything", but "they didn't have anything to get us with".
That's how criminals talk.
We could lay him in the ground and grow another one just like him.
People are gonna hate me for this but I love Pete Carroll. He is the perfect example of how winning can affect your perception of a person. I was at USC during his reign. I'm from the Pacific Northwest so am a huge Seahawks fan. I'm 95% positive Pete is dirty, or at least keeps himself willfully ignorant of the dirty aspects of his profession. I know that, and it's tough for me to care because I've been watching his (my) teams win so much and had to endure them being awful when he wasn't there. That's a fault of my own, but dang if he doesn't make it difficult for me. Plus he is super charismatic and entertaining as hell. Once you've met him it's really difficult to dislike him.
It's very easy to understand how some fans can rationalize how dirty their programs are when you've experienced it first-hand.
It's a perfect example of how US society values winning over honesty and integrity. Win, and you can keep dead bodies in your trunk. No one cares. Just make sure you don't start losing. As a society, we're pretty much sick. But that isn't a new phenomenon or something restricted to the US--it's been true in certain societies since pre-biblical times.
Makes sense. The ESPN poll map is always fascinating to interpret and in this case when they asked whether or not you believe Pete Carroll when he said that, the whole country said no by about a 3-1 margin, except for Washington and Montana which said "sure we believe him."
Thing is, in the pros, there's no such thing as dirty, at least, not the same way college is. It just doesn't exist. In college you can be dirty just by being passive. In the pros you have to actively work at it.
