Kelvin Grady asked to move to DB?

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I just heard Kelvin was asked to move to DB. After his great camp and spring what is the opinion about the switch? He looks the most like a possible DB out of any of the slots, IME.

blueblueblue

August 24th, 2010 at 9:41 AM ^

This might be crazy, but if its true that Grady was asked to move, maybe its because Grady has had such a good camp so far? We have seen the benefit of knowing both sides of the ball when changing positions - Cam Gordon as case in point (if he learns to tackle). Perhaps the db coach, getting desperate, sees how athletic Grady is, how he has come to understand the offense side, thinks he is best suited for the position of need, and best able to make that transition?

Its crazy, counterintuitive, but perhaps?

Clarence Beeks

August 24th, 2010 at 10:42 AM ^

I would agree with this sentiment, but for a different reason (i.e. not necessarily about knowing both sides of the ball).  Since he's at a position of great depth and has had a great camp, it's possible that the coaches are trying to reward him with the possibility of more playing time since it was pretty likely that he wouldn't see all that much at slot.

BJNavarre

August 24th, 2010 at 9:41 AM ^

Grady might understand that he has a better shot of making it in the NFL as a DB than as a WR. Undoubtedly, he sees a shot at more playing time, and a chance to help out the team by moving to DB.

Did he play CB in high school?

Argyle

August 24th, 2010 at 9:43 AM ^

Grady obviously stood out in the scrimmage, but slot is one of the few areas of discernible depth on our squad. If he (or anyone) can make a bigger difference at DB, then I'm all for it. I don't know if I can take another year of teams repeatedly converting on third and seventeen against us.

briangoblue

August 24th, 2010 at 11:45 AM ^

I know the blog's posted apocalyptic theory on position switch starters, but I think Grady could at least hang, athletically speaking. I know he wasn't the best on D in hoops but that was more of a commitment thing from what I could tell. Sticking to a guard around screens and cuts while keeping an eye on the ball is a lot like covering a receiver until the tackling starts. If it's a rumor, then "yay freshmen are good enough to handle it!" Must...stay...positive.

the Bray

August 24th, 2010 at 9:51 AM ^

I haven't read the rivals blurb and I know that RR said no offensive players would move... so maybe this was Kelvin's idea?  Maybe he saw an opportunity and asked to be moved to DB?

Tater

August 24th, 2010 at 9:53 AM ^

Grady could make the move much more easily than anyone else on offense except Denard or Jeremy Gallon.  Denard obviously isn't moving and Gallon is rumored to not be in as good a shape as he could be.  Grady knows he is running out of time to make a difference at Michigan and leverage himself so that he doesn't have to take a "real job" out of college.

His defense in basketball notwithstanding, the habit of "point guard vision" has to help on defense.  On offense, the only position it would really help with would be QB, where he obviously wouldn't play.

I have been hoping that if they couldn't get enough help from the 17 safeties listed on the roster, someone would move to CB for depth.  Besides, Grady could find himself playing a lot after a few games.  You just never know.    

This certainly has been an interesting off-season.  Good or bad, there hasn't been much time to be bored.

Magnus

August 24th, 2010 at 9:54 AM ^

There's really no point keeping him on offense with Odoms, Roundtree, Gallon, and Terrence Robinson at slot receiver.

Besides, he could very well suck at CB and get moved back to offense.

Regardless, it seems like a majority of players who get moved - especially late in their careers - end up as non-factors.  If Grady moves, it's probably just for depth, not to be a starter.  I'd rather toss Grady out there at CB than one or two of those freshmen we have...

ldoublee

August 24th, 2010 at 10:00 AM ^

Odoms and Roundtree were expected to work at outside receiver a lot as well.  I think that was more a product of disappointment in Stonum and Hemmingway than anything.  Perhaps this is a sign that Stonum and Hemmingway are really impressing, making Odoms and Roundtree more available at slot?

Magnus

August 24th, 2010 at 10:08 AM ^

I think putting them at wideout was more a function of getting the best players on the field and keeping them fresh.  For example...

Series 1: Stonum (WR), Hemingway (WR), Odoms (SR), Roundtree (SR)

Series 2: Stonum (WR), Roundtree (WR), Odoms (SR), Koger (TE)

Series 3: Hemingway (WR), Stokes (WR), Roundtree (SR), Koger (TE)

Series 4: Stonum (WR), Odoms (WR), Gallon (SR), two backs in the backfield

Etc.

It allows them more flexibility and prevents the coaches from having to put in a second set of wideouts that doesn't include a freshman.  Instead of putting Jerald Robinson on the field too much, they can plug in Roundtree at WR and insert one of those older slot ninjas.

blueblueblue

August 24th, 2010 at 10:10 AM ^

Regardless, it seems like a majority of players who get moved - especially late in their careers - end up as non-factors.

That's what makes Grady's case interesting - it's still somewhat early in his college football career (year 2), yet late in his time for development. It's not like he has had another position ingrained in him for several years at the college level, so the amount of 'unlearning' might be small. But his time of development is also small. Which leaves him, well, probably just where you said - depth.

stmccoy

August 24th, 2010 at 9:54 AM ^

You have to figure that Grady (supposedly) moving to DB is an attempt to get bodies in those positions.  I know he would have a tough time seeing a lot of time at the slot but I can't see him on the field much on defense either. 

jmscher

August 24th, 2010 at 9:55 AM ^

What are the chances he sees the field, if he actually does move, this year.  Despite our depth issues it seems a pretty tough task to learn a new position less than two weeks before the season starts.

jblaze

August 24th, 2010 at 10:04 AM ^

1) is that RR realizes that Roundtree/ Odoms (and TRob/ Gallon) provide great slot depth and he is just trying to get more bodies at DB (in case, God forbid, there are other injuires)

2) That the 2nd corner or Gordon is not playing very well and he wants to give Grady a shot.

I hope it's just an issue of having more depth at DB than #2

mikejc1997

August 24th, 2010 at 10:01 AM ^

Coached against him for 4 years in HS.  He was strictly a tailback/slot guy except when he played us (Lowell.)  Not sure how often he worked at DB throughout the year...but he was terrible against us....and we didn't have what you would consider elite speed.  Not sure I would be for this one.

ijohnb

August 24th, 2010 at 10:03 AM ^

he is much more likely to bust out an "and one" finger role after a wicked cross-over passed Jon Scheyer to put Duke away at cornerback.  I like this move.

Wolvmarine

August 24th, 2010 at 10:03 AM ^

He has the ability to play CB.  If he can play RB, WR and basketball, I am sure he can adjust to CB and help out the team.  He would project better for the NFL at DB than any of the other positions, that is if he adapts to it, and plays well.

dcmaizeandblue

August 24th, 2010 at 10:15 AM ^

Is it too late to expect Grady to get enough practice at the position to be ready for the season?  If this move is true I just wonder why this didn't happen right after Woolfolk's injury so he could get as much time at the position as possible. 

iawolve

August 24th, 2010 at 10:15 AM ^

but if Mark is really pushing for the Mike and Kelvin can actually contribute at DB, we either have two wildly gifted players (which is possible) or we have some crazy bad issues on D. This is just from the standpoint of switching to the other side of the ball and understanding your reads so you can react to make a play. Making your reads correctly and quickly in addition to then reacting to stop the play can take years of work to perfect since so much is involved. It is not stand there and try to tackle (I know that could be argued this was our strategy the last few years, but you know what I mean).

West Texas Blue

August 24th, 2010 at 10:37 AM ^

I'm going to lean more toward the latter (crazy bad issues on D).  A guy at FB switching to MLB and possibly displacing a 3 year starter? A PG in basketball that came to be a SR and now being moved to CB? Yeah, I'd say we have problems.  The defense is going to be a mess this year; better hope that the D-Line can get good pressure to hurry the QBs.

umchicago

August 24th, 2010 at 12:47 PM ^

however, if there is a year to have questionable DBs, i think this is the year.  i mean, who will be the potent passing teams?

Uconn/Wisky - typically smashmouth

ND - new QB and scheme

Penn St/Purdue/Illinois - new QB

That basically leaves OSU, Iowa and MSU as forminable passing opponents, and the jury is still out on Prior, imo.

We do need to score a lot with lots of slots.

MGoShoe

August 24th, 2010 at 10:39 AM ^

...to improve the team.  I'd imagine the coaches have a good idea of the tradeoffs involved.  I also imagine they wouldn't contemplate this unless they thought he could make a difference.  

Mlegacy

August 24th, 2010 at 10:39 AM ^

Is not a position that comes easily. He was a stud running back in high school, but never heard anything about his defensive ability (I'm from the area). 

He is an amazing athlete though and has relatively good size to play the position. And with our depth at slot, it just makes sense to try to get him on to the field. 

Looking forward to seeing how he works out, he has the athleticism to do it and I'm optimistic that he'll do well once he settles in. 

Clarence Beeks

August 24th, 2010 at 10:47 AM ^

It's possible that the skill set could translate, or that he has enough natural ability to make the transition.  Not to bring up a taboo name around here, but some of you may recall that Kelly Baraka, while recruited as a running back, was also a very good defensive back.

bklein09

August 24th, 2010 at 10:45 AM ^

Ya, my guess is that after the scrimmage they realized one or two things.

First, that KG would not see a ton of time at WR this season. 

Two, that although we may have one or two or three serviceable CBs, we need five or six to make it through the season. 

Three, KG probably knows the offense well enough by now that if we needed a SR for some reason he could move back mid-season. 

Anyways, this may or may not be true. But I don't think its a horrible decision either way.