I'm not sure I understand the anger...
The "Fire Hoke now" posts and anger over today is kind of a mystery to me. Any emotion other than resignation seems strange. Firing Hoke now will get us precisely nothing, it will not attract a better coach, it will not stop the slide of this season. Sure, if we had 6 or 7 wins going into this game, then yeah, I'd get it.
The fact is, we will have a new coach next season, as almost everyone wants. This game seals that. Recruiting is already negatively impacted, and it will not get better no matter what happens to the staff this season.
I'm not attacking anyone, just curious about those who feel anger now. Maybe it's just me? But the time for anger passed awhile ago. In fact, the new coach we will surely have is probably a sign of hope for the program, as almost all of the candidates so far discussed will be an improvement over what we have now. So yes, this sucks, and the this game was awful to watch. But next year will be at minumum slightly better, and could be much better. Right?
/starts praying
October 25th, 2014 at 7:46 PM ^
Little secret: It doesn't matter anymore. Fire Hoke, don't fire Hoke, we're completely treading water until December. What's the point?
October 25th, 2014 at 7:48 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 8:03 PM ^
but point taken.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:23 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 10:44 PM ^
Why the fuck would you elevate the guy who evicerated the offense? Through eight games his offense is scoring 19.5 points per game. That's down from 35 points per game at this point last year.
October 25th, 2014 at 11:36 PM ^
WHOA DUDE ARE YOU SERIOUS? WHO WAS OUR COORDINATOR LAST YEAR? MAYBE WE SHOULD GET THAT GUY, I BET HE WOULD BE REALLY GOOD WITH THIS TEAM!
October 26th, 2014 at 8:52 AM ^
October 26th, 2014 at 10:00 AM ^
The argument remains, though I think it isn't so much that Borges was better than Nuss, especially in a long-term sense. What it is is that despite not being able to produce a competent running game without Denard Robinson, Borges was able to call plays that resulted in scoring. Though I believe prior to the PSU game the team was 100% for red zone scoring this season. So what we are seeing is far fewer red zone attempts or the inability of our now more competent running game to effectively generate yards in scoring drives. What I think this really means is that we are all missing Jeremy Gallon, and Gardner is really missing him. So then Brady Hoke and his staff have turned their program into one where the absence of a wide receiver has resulted in a 20 points per game differential.
October 26th, 2014 at 10:57 AM ^
There's a whole thread of me addressing his argument and him ignoring said arguments. The guy's a troll.
The short of it: There is nothing about Al Borges' career that suggests that he would somehow have this offense humming this year. The guys that helped make last year's offense great in a couple of games (Lewan, Schofield, Gallon, Dileo) are gone. Borges regressed every season he was here. There's no evidence from his past stops that should make anyone think that once those guys left and he had just Funchess and a Jake Butt returning from injury to work with as proven talent that he would be any better than what we are seeing now.
Edit:
Here. For our Contrarian Troll, here is the only page anyone needs to shut him up.
http://mgoblog.com/content/al-borges-file
Other than one season at SDSU when they had huge offensive talent, the guy got worse every single year.
October 26th, 2014 at 12:48 AM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 11:38 PM ^
And reason for post.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:47 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 7:48 PM ^
A lot are like you but some like myself thought that maybe the team would get pissed off enough to not get ran over by a rival. Again.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:51 PM ^
If you're not coached properly, you're not going to hang with a well coached team.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:07 PM ^
Sad part was, offensively, they didn't even play that well. This game more than any else showed how poorly-coached this team is.
I agree with OP, though. I've been in "avoid all Coaching/AD/recruit-jumping threads" mode for the past couple of weeks now. This game wasn't a tipping-point whatsoever. Everything since the Minnesota game has been "just tell me when it's over".
October 25th, 2014 at 9:47 PM ^
To be fair the defense did a pretty good job considering they were on the field all day. If we had anything resembling an offense we might have made a game of it, but this is the story of the season.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:50 PM ^
I want my pound of flesh (re: accountability).
Hoke should fall on his sword. He is out of his element and should truly forfeit whatever the buyout is by resigning. People keep calling him a good man. This is mostly irrelevant when job number one is to win football games.
I wouldn't care if he was the second coming of Mother Theresa. Our HC really needs to go now to show that we do want to have a quality program.
The problem is our leaders are probably going to point to the touchdown and points and say "progress".
This is just so frustrating at this point. When do the fans get anything. We're taking a beating. They are who we thought they were.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:17 PM ^
I consider him a felon because he is stealing money with each paycheck he cashes!
October 26th, 2014 at 8:56 AM ^
October 26th, 2014 at 1:04 AM ^
but Amen. After every [crappy] play all he's doing is clapping. That is what we're reduced to: a clapping seal while our team is a beached whale.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:52 PM ^
Please bring us Jim Harbaugh
October 25th, 2014 at 9:21 PM ^
900 ft Jesus.
October 25th, 2014 at 11:27 PM ^
or even Miroslav Satan if it would prevent our team from looking like a bunch of dopes with no plan, no skills, no execution, and no hope.
October 26th, 2014 at 1:12 AM ^
dude.
October 26th, 2014 at 9:58 AM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 7:50 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 10:18 PM ^
Firing Hoke accomplishes three things. First it communicates that mediocrity is unacceptable. Second, it shakes the culture up, which can only be good. Third and most importantly, it takes attention off Hoke's future and allows the team to shift to player development for next year.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:15 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 7:51 PM ^
Simple answer is because he deserves to be fired now. Team makes no progress. Even promoting from within might correct this. I am not expecting miracles, but I'd like to see if someone on this staff could make improvements or if the entire team is rotten.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:51 PM ^
Did you not see Nuss' enthusiasm vs Hoke's today on the sideline? Dude was going crazy!
I wanna give him a shot at interim HC... he might be able to at least finish the season with respectability and emotion.
Idk.. at this point everyone just needs some indicator that the leaders of the university give a fuck.
Meh.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:57 PM ^
Either way at least he has a pulse. Hole is a walking dead man right now.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:45 PM ^
2 helmet to helmet hits with first green guy leading cheers as he leaves...no retaliation?? Grow a heart and some balls!!Blatant interference in 1st qtr...how is that missed??How many drops can this offense have this season? Can Beyer make a play ? Ryan needs to go back to DE.Hoke is not clapping enough...More clapping is needed. Emotion is non-existent.To somehow save this season Gardner should be named Captain. His benching has pissed off most of the black players and created major dissension on this team, not to mention destroying Gardner's confidence. Hoke fucked up big time and it's time to go. Please!!!!!!!
October 25th, 2014 at 10:44 PM ^
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October 25th, 2014 at 7:51 PM ^
the game is, Hoke doesn't have the players prepared to play. There is no passion, anger or urgency from the coaches or players. and mainly because this team is simply not competitive.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:25 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 9:25 PM ^
You don't clap when your team plays like crap. It's a contact sport, not toddler time. If my coaches patted me on the back after I messed up, I would have looked at them like they were crazy. Fuel the fire and get players angry, amped, whatever to go out there and make a play. Grab a facemask and demand better! It's really that simple. There's a reason the best coaches throughout history are a little off at times. It's called passion.
October 25th, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^
As soon as possible?
October 25th, 2014 at 7:52 PM ^
I stopped caring. Didn't even watch today. Had a really nice day doing other things.
Schlissel and the regents don't care why should I? Getting angry won't change anything. It's futile. People are just spinning their wheels.
Also this was about what people expected. No surprises today.
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October 25th, 2014 at 8:26 PM ^
chlissel and the regents don't careNot sure why you assume this?
October 26th, 2014 at 2:49 AM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 7:52 PM ^
Fire Hoke, let Nussmeier be the interim head coach and see what happens. Hoke should have been fired after Minnesota, we're at the point where having him on the sideline is just embarassing.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^
catharsis/venting. anger at the lack of vision/scheme/discipline/athleticism/pride. what else can i tell ya? seems justfied to me. i know it is not going to change things but i am a fan.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 8:01 PM ^
Who is the Ed O @ Michigan? There isn't one, imo.
October 25th, 2014 at 9:09 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 9:31 PM ^
Coach O was insanely popular with his players, and has for a long time been respected in the business as basically the best recruiter there is (integral role in building dynasties at both Miami and USC).
Oddly enough, the guy who could be our Coach O (d-line coach who the players and recruits love) is already the head coach, and is not anywhere close to as good at building a program and identifying talent as Coach O.
October 25th, 2014 at 11:03 PM ^
Coach O had already been a head coach in college at Ole Miss. I don't think anyone on UM's staff has head coaching experience in college. Not to say that Nuss or Mattison would fail, but Pat Haden had a viable guy to turn to when he canned Kiffin.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 7:54 PM ^
So the way I figure it, we know what were going to get the rest of the year with Hoke. If you install Nuss as interim, maybe the attitude change helps light a little fire and helps get this team trending in the right direction.